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May 01, 2008

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Juicing

Interesting article.

I believe that (speaking as a cyclist and a motorist)it takes a certain type of person who can, under extreme adversity, maintain the thought that even though a cyclist may have just done something that really pisses you off in traffic, the cyclist is STILL a human being who deserves, at the minimum, a minute amount of respect regardless of how angry we are at that very moment. Until that happens, cyclists will always find ways, whether intentional or completely unintentional, to anger motorists. And vice versa - motorists will always inevitably find ways to anger cyclists.

I think the difference between an angered motorist and an angered cyclist is that the angered cyclist has a much more limited choice of recourse than the motorist.

I related especially to the paragraph where she states that, "The lives of cyclists and pedestrians are devalued by a society that places little responsibility on people operating vehicles that can harm them."

I see this every day when I walk home from work. I see people crossing a street and even though they are crossing illegally, I've witnessed motorists come storming down the street, headed straight for the pedestrain who is crossing illegally, as if they are simply going to flatten them in their tracks. They feel justified, I'm sure, because the pedestrain is the one who is "in the wrong." The problem with that thought process is that, regardless of what we think, it is NEVER OK, nor is it legal or humanly acceptable to run down a pedestrain who is crossing a road illegally. This same thing applies to cyclists who are running lights or stop signs. Sure, sometimes we might feel like we should "teach those damn cyclists a lesson." It's not your job to teach anyone a lesson, except of course, your own children (which alot of people somehow seem to neglect as a their personal responsibilty). Your course of action should be to call the police, make a complaint. It IS their job to "teach those damn cyclists a lesson" by pulling them over and issuing tickets.

Just as you would not run someone's dog over in the street, you wouldn't run over a human being. Anyne who thinks differently does not belong on the roads let alone walking freely in society.

Juicing

Oh - and something I almost forgot to mention - this is for that driver who yelled at me the other day, calling me, in nicer words, a non-tax paying member of society - um...hey stupid...just because I ride a bicycle, DOES NOT mean I don't own a home, a car and other possessions that I've paid, or continue to pay taxes on! Your obvious lack of intelligence lends to the theory that you've probably not received over a 7th grade education! I probably pay MORE taxes than you do living in your trailer in Kenneth City in a month than you've paid since 1980.

People like you are a complete drain on society. However, I still wouldn't intentionally run you over if you were crossing a street illegally. But I did notice that as you yelled at me, you felt the need to come within about 6 inches of me as you passed by.

Kenneth

Good article, but I disagree with one point - there are roads that are dangerous, regardless of how well drivers and cyclists follow the rules. Take San Martin blvd. running behind Derby Lane - no shoulder whatsoever, and dangerous blind curves. I won't ride that stretch of road, but many cyclists do. A few months back I saw a man cycling down Westshore just north of Gandy in Tampa. The road is barely wide enough for cars to pass in opposite directions - I have no sympathy for a cyclist who gets honked at on that road. I used to commute that way, and though it wasn't as direct, there are plenty of low traffic residential streets that go the same direction.

Arrogant cyclists are making the rest of us look bad. Stick to lower traffic roads - let the drivers have the busier stretches.

Kenneth

Good article, but I disagree with one point - there are roads that are dangerous, regardless of how well drivers and cyclists follow the rules. Take San Martin blvd. running behind Derby Lane - no shoulder whatsoever, and dangerous blind curves. I won't ride that stretch of road, but many cyclists do. A few months back I saw a man cycling down Westshore just north of Gandy in Tampa. The road is barely wide enough for cars to pass in opposite directions - I have no sympathy for a cyclist who gets honked at on that road. I used to commute that way, and though it wasn't as direct, there are plenty of low traffic residential streets that go the same direction.

Arrogant cyclists are making the rest of us look bad. Stick to lower traffic roads - let the drivers have the busier stretches.

Mel

This does not just happen on less traveled roads though. Take, for example, 3rd Street south in St. Pete. Years ago, this road was used primarily as a neighborhood street to go a couple miles down. The residents of Old SE could use it to get onto 4th Street south if they wanted to get north and south quickly. Now motorists are using 3rd Street south as their means to get north and south quickly and it's just not set up for driving fast on, i.e "Thrill Hill". College students and faculty and also the people who work at the coast guard station use 3rd street and treat it as if it were their own personal freeway. Then alot of them have nerve to honk and yell at cyclists who are riding down it casue we're not moving fast enough for their liking. Hey - if you hate cyclists, that's cool, just remember that alot of times there are school kids out on 3rd waiting for their bus in the mornings. Take it easy and slow down a little.

3rd Street south is a narrow 2 lane road with houses lined down each side of it. The cyclists in St. Pete have been using 3rd Street south for over 25 years as part of their ride route because it is a safe road that was scaresly used and is not considered a main thoroughfare, considering the fact that 4th street south (a 4 lane road) runs parallel one block west of it. The problems began when motorists discovered that it has less lights and they can speed down it until it dead ends at 22nd ave SE or to head north all the way until it merges with 4th.

Therefore, I have to partially disagree with your statement regarding cyclists sticking to lower traveled roads mainly because we already do that as a matter of course.

Here's what I believe the problem stems from - the attitude of most motorists down here who feel "entitled" to get from point A to point B quickly. No one ever said that they would guarantee that when you get into your car everyday, you're going to be able to get from point A to point B without any hitches or glitches. This is something that I think motorists need to get past. Motorists should always plan that their commute could take 10 minutes longer than it should so that they allow for traffic jams, accidents, whatever. This way, you're never disappointed when it DOES take an additional 10 minutes more.

Motorists need to quit blaming all of their life problems on cyclists or anyone who gets in their way. That's never going to get you anywhere. Instead of looking for someone to blame, try finding a solution to getting from point A to point B on time - like leave your house earlier.

Chip Haynes

I had to ponder this one overnight. I think you are all painting with too small a brush. It's not that the drivers hate the cyclists, or that the cyclists hate the drivers. We have become an entire nation of presumptuous entitlement: Everyone hates everyone. Drivers hate other drivers. The cyclists do not all get along. We are each in our own little world, and we each despise the instrusion of anyone or anything else that gets in our way. We are rude, we are angry, and woe be unto anything that gets in our way.

And sadly, I can't even begin to imagine what it might take to change us.

mike

I have to disagree Mel. I ride 3rd street alot as I live on the South Side. The motorists beef is with those who ride 3 or 4 abreast NOT using the bicycle lane. I ride alone and have never had an issue on 3rd. Drop the pack mentality and ride the bike path as intended.

The Ambassador

Not gonna happen, Mike. Big group rides in St. Pete have been around since 1960 and they aren't going anywhere. We try to use the bike lanes when feasible, but when we can't, like when there are NAILS, GLASS, BRICKS, TREE BRANCHES and BROKEN PATIO FURNITURE laying in the bike lanes, it's pretty hard to use the bike lanes, especially when in a large group. Even in the rare instance where the bike lane is clear, it is hard to use. that is why the law reads that we are permitted to ride 2 abreast on a 2 lane road. If riders are 3 abreast, then yea, they're acting illegally, but so is a motorist who passes a slow moving vehicle (as in cyclists) on a double yellow line.

Why is it not possible for motorists to slow down on 3rd St.? The speed limit is 25 there and alot of times we are either going FASTER than the posted speed limit or doing the speed limit near Thrill Hill. Speed limits are in place for a reason and if motorists are in a hurry and cannot wait to get past a gorup of bicyclists, then maybe they can go over ONE BLOCK and get onto 4th St where there are 2 lanes going north and 2 lanes going south.

You say you've never had a problem on 3rd riding alone, I find that hard to believe as there have been many times I have ridden down 3rd st IN THE BIKE LANE ALONE or with one other person and have had rude motorists pass me within inches of my side, some even coming INTO the bike lane as they pass. What's up with that?

red light runna

Mike,
I didn't know there was a bike path? Maybe you should get the heck out of my way because I'll run you over!! And watch out for Mel, she rides all over the road! By the way Mike, just because you can go only 20 miles per hour (speed limit on the trail) does not mean everyone else does too. Maybe you should stay on the trail.

Mel

Say whaaaaaaat???! Red Light Runna, you're such an a** clown! You ought to be thankful for me being there. I make things alot more fun in the peloton than they would be if I weren't there!

Chip Haynes

See? This is exactly what I was talking about: No one gets along with anyone, let alone cyclists and drivers.

Red Light Runna

Especially Mel and yours truely.

Chip Haynes

The Internet is a funny thing, RLR. You and Mel could very well be the same person, posting under different user names.

Geez, you could even be me.

Scary thought there, huh?

Mel

hahah I can ASSURE you, Chip...(mainly cause I know who Red Light Runna is) that Red Light Runna and I are not the same person, but we are both members of the same elite peloton.

I am the 2002 Florida State 500 meter champion and the 2002 southeastern regional match sprints champion and Red Light Runna is...um... well...let's put it this way, in the peloton he's a fun kinda guy....he's always up for a party.

confused motorist

Maybe you "elite peloton" members could wear uniforms or at least same color t-shirts .Maybe sirens on your heads?
That way we uninformed motorists would know not to mess. We could concentrate on the lesser cyclists looking to get to work or school or just plain sight seeing .

Mel

um-kay confused motorist! How about if we wear what we always wear - team wear and/or Euro wear! Which, for all you underachievers, are like brightly colored jerseys and shorts. Or just look for the people on CLEAN bikes that look like ther WEREN'T purchased at K-mart! Or better yet - look for the people who DO NOT have cigarettes hanging out of their mouths or 6-packs of Milwaukees Best in one hand while steering with the other hand and who are good looking with nice, tight asses and muscular, shaved legs.

Enhancement Smoker

Confused motorist, here's a couple tips:

just look for the smug, self-important "pro wannabe" in the ugly, multicolor-vomit-on-spandex braggarts and aim for them. You might even hit Mel!

Leave the poor DUI riders alone; they've already got enough problems.

Foot in Mouth Disorder

haha... How are you Red Light Runna? Did you have a nice mother's day?

Everything_floats_down_here

Red Light Runna doesn't live here anymore...

I Meant Hoof in Mouth Disease

Oh! I see, the m.f. buys a scooter and all of a sudden he's outta here. Traded in your brand new Pinarello for a Vespa, have you?

Chip Haynes

Hey, hey, hey- let's not be knockin' Vespas. We've got two of them.

Sorry to hear RLR is gone.

Roof in Mouth Disease

Not me! I'm happy for Red Light Runna. He's back at home in one of those 1/2 way houses on 4th St.

Red Light Runna

Oh, Don't you worry. I will always be with you. Of course, I may not be with Mel because she is usually DROPPED two miles into the ride, but I will always be in her heart!

Mel

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!??? Red Light, why you wanna throw me under the bus like that? DUDE!

I hear the 1/2 way house mother coming. You better turn off that laptop before they take it away again.

Red Light Runna

So like I said, I didn't see you last night Mel. In fact, there were many lights that I ran, where you were not even there. Don't forget the car we cut in front of and the stop signs that we blew. Mel, you were nowhere to be seen.

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