This just in: Garcia still sore

Now, there's a headline you've already seen. Well guess what: get ready to ready it some more.

Jeff Garcia says he's still very sore from the lower back bruise he sustained against the Redskins and had nothing positive to offer in a recently-completed press conference.

"I've had better days," Garcia cracked.

Asked about the chances he'll practice this week, Garcia was not optimistic.

"Right now, I'm not ready to test it in any sort of way," he said. "I don't think that would be a smart move on my behalf as far as needing to get where I need to be in order to play in a game. To go out there to try to run around and throw the ball, I think, would create a negative effect instead of a positive effect."

My projection: Garcia won't play against the Saints. It's not worth it to the Bucs to put him out there. His lack of mobility could prevent him from eluding the pass rush and then all sorts of bad things can happen. And considering how sore his back is, he probably won't be very accurate with his throws because he is so emcumbered by the back. Probably smarter to get him well for the stretch run and the playoffs.

Stay tuned. When we know more you'll know more.

Comments

[DR]

They would be wise to not even suit him up. It's not worth risking further injury. I know there is a small chance to further injury, but it certainly won't help recovery. Wait until he's 100%. Even when he is 100%, it's still scary to see him get tackled because he is injury prone.

[Ecp]

Let the man rest!

[Lewis]

At least we'll get to see what Grad and/or McCown can do with a weeks worth of 1st team reps. The Bucs need to know what they're really capable of so they can make decisions on them during the off season.

[Tom]

Man, that must be one heck of a bruise. What I'm worried about is that if he sustained that deep of a bruise, did he injury any part of his spine like a disc herniation? It just seems like it would be very likely.

If it is only a deep bruise, then he needs to medicate himself enough to get on the field. This is a very big game because going to Houston is not going to be an easy win. Plus, it's a division which counts double.

We need a quality backup next year. I suggest either drafting Dennis Dixon or trading for Brady Quinn. Dixon has a lot of mobility and good accuracy and can be had for a low 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on how he heals from his ACL injury. Quinn needs no explanation.

[Ryan]

There is an outside chance that Garcia and Gruden are purposely being unclear so that New Orleans doesn't know who to game plan for.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure the man is hurt... but forcing the Saints to gamplan for Gradkowski is far different than that for Garcia.

[aaron]

if gruden goes with gradkowski this week there should be mutiny. gradkowski is not a good qb period. he is gruden pet project. Gruden thinks he will be the next jeff garcia and here is a news flash for you Jon "its not happening!" as we saw last year and in his time this year in games he simply cannot get it done. he cant throw the ball farther than 20 yards with ANY accuracy. ask joey galloway about that. and he just cannot move the team. we had numerous chances against the skins to put them away with a TD after a turn over. but the grad man couldnt move the team down the field and we had to settle for a field goal. and the result of him not being able to move the team down field led to 3 and outs and our defense being on the field for all but about 7 minutes in the 2nd half. that is why skins came back. not our D, but our offense. grad failed to move the team and forced our defense to stay on the field way too long. mc Cown is a legit 2nd string qb in this league, not grad. he is 3rd at best. really the only reason he is even in this league is jon gruden. he wouldnt be able to make any other roster in the nfl. gruden is a poor judge of talent and this is case in point. please jon don throw away this year like you did last year. start Mc Cown if garcia cant go.

[DR]

aaron, you can make those same arguments about Simms, he would not be any good any where else and Gruden is the only reason he has a job. He had no offers from any other team and there were no trade offers either. Gruden has never developed a young QB, or really any other young offensive player, and that is the bad part about Grad.
You discredit Grad for 3/4 of a game, why not hold Garcia to the same standards than? Garcia did terrible in the quarter he played, and that's after he went 10-20 passing the week before. Garcia has won games for the Bucs but has also lost games for them as well.
Quit making snap judgements on a rookie QB- he hasn't played 16 games yet. I can't think of a QB who put up great numbers his first year, the numbers you guys are expecting for some reason.

[Skylar]

DR...you make key valid points concerning Gradkowski and you're showing some actual football insight. I'm proud of you and I like it. The mutiny that Aaron speaks of is what will bring this organization down if followed through with. It's people like Aaron that don't understand the importance of staying focused and together in times of adversity. Did Gradkowski not lead us to victory last week? Did I miss something? This is the moment where the TO's and the Moss' destroy an organization because they can't stay focused on the task at hand. We don't want to be like them.

Say what you want to about Grad, but all the same things can be said about Garcia this year. Mann wants to bust his balls about missing six plays, but what about all the plays Garcia missed?What about the Jags game where he missed three wide open looks at TD passes and also threw a pick6? Do you realize that Grad had the same QB rating as V Young last year? He's so great and Grad's so terrible is just plain stupid talk. And DR, I disagree with you in that Gruden is developing Grad; it takes time. He developed Graham didn't he?

Aaron you have a great teacher's name yet you are so pedestrian in thought.

[Skylar]

btw - Aaron, McCown has about zero experience in the NFL and what little he has he posted a 40 something QB rating. Get your facts straight. I do hope he will be a good QB, but I don't want to find out just yet.

[aaron]

i dont expect great numbers but i do expect a qb to be able to hit a wr 20yrds down field with a pass. i am not the biggest garcia fan either, he can barely throw the ball 25 yrds. our qb situation is sh*t. the problem with simms is he is in gruden cr*p system. he is the wrong qb for grudens scheme. simms stinks in this system also because he isnt mobile. with a line as pourous as ours has been the past few years you need someone who can scramble. i say get rid of gruden, garcia, and grad man and go with a down the field passing game , which suits simms. now that our line is maturing and getting better simms could have a chance back there, but only if we get a new coach who likes to pass vertical, not horizontal. with us looking like we will make the playoffs that may save grudens job but in the process that will probably cost simms his. there are a number of teams that would love to have his services, a couple in particular are Jax and atlanta. in atlanta the game plan has been built to suit a lefty and not to mention mckay is there and he is the man who drafted him. simms will be no superstar, but he will be a good qb in this league, just not with tampa.

[aaron]

no skylar, gradkowski did not lead us to victory last week. our defense did with the turnovers. look at the gradmans drives: 1st qtr- got ball by turnover-beagan drive on wash. 19-all runs led to a graham td.
1st qtr-got ball by turnover again-beagan drive on wash 19- 2 yrds gained-result a FG.
2nd qtr-got turnover again-beagn drive on wash 18- 9 yrds gained-result another FG.
2nd qtr-got ball by turnover-began drive on wash 32- total of 2yrds gained-result FG.
2nd qtr-got ball from punt-began drive on 50yrd line- 29yrds gained- result FG.
skylar the only drive where gradman had a took the team downfield ended in a field goal. he took the bucs 21yrds. that my friend is NOT leading us to victory. his inability to sustain a drive left our defense on the field for all but 7 minutes in the 2nd half. that is leading us to nothing. our defense was so tired at the end of the game who could have faulted them if the skins scored a td to win. thank god for BK stepping up and making a play. as much as our D wore down it is them that lead us to victory, not gradkowski.

[aaron]

skylar gruden didnt develop Graham that was art velaro.

[aaron]

lets compare the stats of vince young and grad-man mr. skylar:
yrds passing: grad-1661
young-2199
TD's (passing): grad- 9
young- 11
TD's (rushing): grad- 0
young-7
INT's: grad-9
young-13
yds per pass att: grad-5.1 yrds
young-6.2 yrds
yrds per rush att: grad-3.9 yrds
young-6.7 yrds
total rushing yds: grad-161 yrds
young-552 yrds
TOTAL WINS: grad-3
young-8
not to mention skylar, young had 5 game winning drives his rookie year. to compare them is like comparing apples and oranges. you argument that grad is just as good as young is stupid

[aaron]

i would rather see mc cown in at qb than grad. grad simply just stinks. mc cown can at least throw the ball down field. if you honestly think after garcia, that grad gives us the best chance to win then you are a complete fool.

[DR]

Holy crap aaron, you are way off with your arguments. A QB doesn't make it to the NFL with an arm that can't get by 25 yards. A 5 year old kid would say that. That's just stupid. Simms sucked before his spleen and has no NFL future. His spleen did him a favor from embarrassing himself and his family name. He'll never start another NFL game.
Skylar, i'm proud of you too buddy, made a great point in that Garcia has been making horrible throws down field. Galloway should have 10+ TDs right now. He has blown games for Tampa and he's been in the league for nine years. There's a good reason why Garcia has been on 5 teams in his career. He's doing well this year, but is could do better.
You say they should get rid of all 3 and keep Simms...stupid. that's franchise suicide.
You compare Grad to Young when Young has over twice as many starts as Grad- another 5 year old comparison.
Skylar, Gruden was a WRs coach before so he should be ashamed of Clayton's progress. RBs really don't need developed like a QB. They just overlooked like Graham was.

[conspiracy theorist]

Stephen,
Is there any chance that Garcia will be held out this week because of a possible suspension over dogfighting? They may be using the injury as a convenient cover-up. Interview Ronde and seee what he thinks.

[Daniel]

Aaron stats are a wonderful thing, you can make an argument by presenting stats a ceratin way or by leaving out IMPORTANT stats like QB rating and completion %, to make a point. QB rating takes into account ALL the factors and accuratly compares a QB's performance taking EVERTHING into account. The best part is that the same criteria is used on everyone.
When comparing Grads and Young, you left out that Young played in and started in two more games.
Gards TD to interception ratio was better at 9-9 to Youngs 12-13, remember Young had an extra two games to get those three extra TD's
They were both sacked 25 times and grads fumbled 11 times to Youngs 12
There is no denying youngs ability to create with his feet, he proved that against USC in the title game and his 7 TDs on the ground just reinforce that.
But you left out completion percentage in your comparison, why? Isn't that what QB's are paid to do? Pass the ball? Grads completion % was 54% to Youngs 51%. No wonder you left it out, it doesn't help prove your argument.
Now the all important QB rating. Grads 65.9 to Youngs 66.7. Youngs rating was inflated by his gaudy rushing TD numbers, NOT his passing ability.
Yes you can point to win-loss, but isn't that a function of overall team strength rather than QB numbers. I do remember Pacman winning at least three games last year with big plays off turnovers, it was not ALL Vince Young.
Aaron, I am not a Grads appologist, but his passing numbers and QB rating stack up favorably to Youngs. I am not saying he should start or is our best option to win. Gruden will make that determination after a week of practice that we the fans aren't privy too. Regardless of who starts, Gruden needs to open the playbook to keep the Saints from stacking the box.

[DR]

Rushing TDs are not in the passer rating. QB rating's are overrated. Look at some HOF QB's who have 70's QB ratings.

[aaron]

DR, my old buddy long time no hear. you are absolutly right when you say a qb doesnt make it to the nfl that cannot throw 25 yards. but we have the exception. gruden has a man-crush on Garcia and he sees the grad man as the next garcia. so that is grad's way into the nfl. he wouldnt be in the nfl if it wasnt for gruden. so you are absolutly right on that one.
i didnt compare grad to young skylar did and i just relayed the stats that he wasnt aware of. the stats that i put forth comparing grad and young were from last year when grad made 11 starts and young made 13. they do not reflect this years stats on young, DR, you need to pay attention. last years stats, both rookies and almost the same # of starts.

[Daniel]

DR, You are correct, rushing Td's are not in the equation. My mistake, I got carried away in the heat of my explaination. The four categories that are used as a basis for the QB rating are: completion percentage, average yards gained per attempt, percentage of touchdown passes per attempt, and the percentage of interceptions per attempt.
Rating does not prove a QB's total worth, just how effeciently he passes the ball. Something that is important, however when comparing QB's,however overated you feel it mat be.

[aaron]

Daniel, youngs rating was 66.7 and grads was 65.9. youngs comp% was 51.5 and grads was 54. there it is daniel now you have it. But the most telling tale is the won lost record and the come from behind victories. that is something grad man cant do is move a team and score touchdowns when it absolutly matters most.

[DR]

Well, Daniel, it depends on the type of QB. QB ratings are good for guys like Brady, Manning, Marino, etc. but the scrambling QBs are often hurt by it. Nobody has ever been impressed with Young's passing abilities. They even say his motion is severely flawed. His intangibles are what made him great last year. Teams have been able to keep him in the pocket more often this year and he is getting close to being benched because of his poor throwing ability.
As far as QB's in general, it takes 4-5 years for a QB to get comfortable in the NFL whether it be starting or riding the pine. Look at most of the QB's in NFL history and you will see that it's a fact.

[aaron]

i am not a young fan nor am i a grad fan, Skylar was saying that grad was just as good as young and i heavily disagreed. and i put forth the facts to show it. what do you think the bucs would have done last year if we had vince young instead of bruce gradkowski at qb? i think we would have definatly been better than 4-12. simply stated young is the better qb. Hey DR, if romo went down and the Boys were going to make a trade for either grad or young, who would you want quarterbacking your team?

[Daniel]

aaron. As I said in my post, win-loss is important, as Herm said "It is why we play the game" but isn't that an over all function of team strength? The year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Dilfer was at QB. Not only did they have a great win loss, but won the whole enchilada. Does Dilfer win the Super Bowl on any other team that year? How many Super Bowls or games for that matter, has he won starting for the 49ers? I think Pacman had some say in some of those comebacks with turnovers. The Titans defense always gave Young a chance as well. Listen I'm not saying Grads is as good as or better than Young, I'm not that naive, but their passing ability, according to the numbers anyway, are favorable.

[Daniel]

Dr, Your 12:12 post I agree with 100%. The problem in the NFL these days is when QB's are taken at the top of the draft and given HUGE bonuses and salerys, there is tremendous pressure to start them. In the old days they had that luxery, now with 3-5 year starting contrcts depending on draft position, how can a team afford to wait? I think that is why you see alot of late round picks and free agents like Romo given the time and eventually succeed.

[aaron]

Daniel Young had 5 4th quarter comebacks his rookie year. drives that he took his offense down the field in the final quarter of the game and put points on the board. the titans defense didnt engineer those final drives. young did. he had 8 overall wins as a starter and 5 of those he engineered a point scoring drive to put them up for good.

[Daniel]

aaron, Quoting from wikipedia "During the 2006 season, Vince Young led the Tennessee Titans to eight wins including six straight wins where he posted an 8-5 record as a starter. Of the wins, FOUR of them were fourth quarter comebacks, including three straight fourth quarter comebacks" Still good aaron, but not five. His passer rating was 30th out of 31 who qualified, only Bruce's was lower. Young also holds the NFL record for rushing yards by a rookie quarterback with 552. I understand the point you are trying to make, Vince wins football games, he's just a lousey passer.

[aaron]

i stand corrected Daniel, 4 comebacks.
and you say only BRUCE GRADKOWSKI had a lower passer rating? thats interesting.
lets be honest here daniel who would you rather have as your teams qb?

[Daniel]

aaron, I want to win football games, I also want a QB that can throw the ball, the lesser of the two evils would be Vince, since he has at least shown the ability to lead his team back. But in all fairness to BOTH of these QB's, as DR said earlier and I agree with a 100%, it takes some time to delelop pocket presence and learn NFL defenses and the many looks they can throw at an offense. The same things that were said about Garcia are being said about Grads. Garcia is a legitimate starter after years of seasoning and MAYBE, so can Grads. NFL Europe would have been perfect for him, unfortunatly it is no longer around. Maybe the CFL, the route Garcia took, might give him the seasoning he neeeds. I know many say that Grads will never be a NFL starter, I think it is too early to make that assumption based on 11 games of work being thrown into the fire, especially NOT going through training camp as a starter and NOT getting first team snaps to get down your long ball timing. I could be wrong, but to me anyways, the jury on his LONG term future is still unknown.

[Tom]

DR, Skylar, Aaron, you're all a bunch of idiots that have no clue what you're talking about. You guys use the terms "always" and "never" so loosely and end up sounding like a bunch of fools.

You idiots make all these assumptions that you know nothing about.

[DR]

aaron, it would hurt to trade for either and I wouldn't have the same Super Bowl expectations as with Romo. If I had to choose one, I would choose Young because his intagibles would be more prevelant with the talent around him. It's hurting Young this year that he doesn't have much talent at WR. Bennett was good for him even though Bennett is a middle of the road guy.
I think Grad can be a guy like Romo who sits back, learns the ways at QB, and like Daniel has said, because he is a low draft pick it doesn't hurt the team's pocket book to develop him.
If we judged all QBs out of college the same way as you guys that judge Grad, the league is BIG trouble at QB for the future! The league already has problems with QB play now, I have never seen the QB position with this low amount of talent.

[DR]

Tom, you're right we use too many definite terms which is dumb, but you're taking them too literally. Plus, you do the same with your predictions. The Bucs offense will not be anemic with Gradkowski. You said that it would. The Bucs offense has been anemic with Garcia for quarters at a time. Grad had a great game against NO last year, so why would you say that? I can't believe there is support for McCown, what has he done in his career?
If you're going to discredit this blog, than why don't you bring some insight to it?
My official statement is, even before Simms lost his spleen, it was highly unlikely that he would start for any other team. Now that his spleen is gone, there is even a better chance that he never will play in the NFL again.

[DR]

Let's make some predictions for tonight's game.
I'll go first, it will a close game but Cowboys will pull away at the end, and win 34-21

[Tom]

Ok, the game is going to be classic Favre. Romo make a great drive to take the lead with 1:30 left. Favre takes the Pack down inside the 25 yd line and spikes the ball and clocks it at :03 left. FG!! Packs win 33-31.

[Tom]

Skylar, in another blog is making some sort of comparison between Vince Young and Bruce Gradkowski because of the statistics. I've heard some ridiculous statements, like "it's the trainer's fault that we have injuries" or the classic "it was Dungy's team that won the SB." But Skylar has reached new levels of stupidity by comparing Vince Young to Bruce Gradkowski.

Vince Young is the 2nd pick overall. Gradkowski is a 6th round from Toledo. Young led his team to the Nat'l Championship with one of the greatest performance by a college QB in history. Grad is a 6th round pick from Toledo. Young was the AP Rookie of the Year. Grad is from Toledo. Young has made multiple 4th quarter rallies to win the game. Grad is from Toledo.

Get the point! Please, don't ever come with that absurd statement that Grad is as good as Young. You've have officially dropped to level of neanderthal. You need to bring my pizza, Sklar. Make sure you bring it before kickoff.

[Skylar]

Tom, you're just mad because I b@@tchslapped you concerning the equipment manager calling what uniforms to wear. Now that is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. At least my opinions on this blog are supported by facts; you are just blatently hateful and ignorant.

AP rookie of the year? With a whole point higher QB rating than the last placed guy? Hey that's really saying something. That's all BS anyway, but you wouldn't know that because you probably think Chris Mortensen is a football guru. Anyone who watched last year knew that MJD or Adai deserved that award; not Young.

And just to set the record straight so that everyone knows how pitiful you really are: (you never even took the time to read the post did you? Admit it!) I never even said that he was as good as Young; you're such a tool its hilarious. I'm dying over here imagining how red and blistery your face is from utter embarrassment. hahahaha All I did was compare their QB ratings, period.

So, I'm just glad I get to B@@tchslap somebody other than DR, cause he's actually starting to make some sense these days. I'm just saying...

[Skylar]

Oh and Tom, while you were massaging Young's groin talking about all his accolades and how horrible Grad is and all, you forgot to mention that Grad owns two NCAA passing records to Young's 0 (b@@tchslap 1,) And although he attended school at lowly Toledo University, he hails from the same area in Pennsylvania that Montana and Marino are from (b@@tchslap 2). Not to mention Tom Brady was also picked in the 6th round (b@@tchslap 3).

This is like stealing candy from a baby...

I know your face is sore, so when the swelling goes down and you get even a glimpse of an understanding of this game, come on back and I'll give you lesson #2. I'm just saying...

[Kurt]

Ouch Tom, that must hurt. You're better off doing whatever else it is you do because you just got roasted.

[Tom]

Shaun King and Trent Dilfer set multiple NCAA records. Who cares? B@@tchslap you back neanderthal. So because Grad is from the same area of the country as Marino and Montana that validates him as a great QB? What kind of pathetic argument is that? You need to get off your knuckles and start walking upright caveboy! B@@tchslap!

You said that Gradkowski led us to many wins. What wins are you talking about? The win where the defense caused 5 turnovers and Grad led us to 15 total yards in the second half. Or the 4 wins we had last year? Whoa, we better get a space next to Montana and Marino in Canton for Bruce Gradkowski who can throw "60 yards on a rope!" You are depriving a village somewhere of it's idiot. B@@tchslap! LOL!

[Tom]

I still don't understand that argument that Gradkowski is from the same part of PA as Marino and Montana. What the heck is that? That's your best argument? Your so stupid that you give a good reason that mankind is lacking a good predator. We need a large pterodactyl to prey on stupid like yourself and Kurt. My neighbor is from PA. I guess he should go to Canton, too. B@@thchslap

[Skylar]

You said Young was the second pick, he was rookie of the year and that Grad was from Toledo and I just responded as to why that means nothing. You can't even follow your own pitiful storyline. I'm done with you, but I'll push you around again one day moron. And btw, I never said that Grad led us to a bunch of wins. Where are you getting your info? And why don't you make up your own signature instead of stealing the one that I ut all over your face. While you're at it, take a class in sentence structure and grammer. Congratulations, you just took DR's place as the pizza boy, so get over here B@#tch!

[Skylar]

I love it when people who can't spell or write in proper English act as though they are intelligent. Good stuff Tom, you just dropped yourself into Bush intelligence land. I'm just saying...

[Kurt]

Tom, just because you got the s@@t knocked out of you by Skylar shouldn't make me part of your hate list. I'm just trying to help you out bro; you're getting your @ss kicked. You say stupid things and then he basically addresses every stupid thing you say and gives you the reasons why what you say is stupid. I'm just trying to keep you from looking like an idiot, but I guess idiots don't realize that's what they are because they're so f@#cking stupid! There's no point in trying to help people like you; you're just too ignorant for your own good. I'm outta here.

[Tom]

You responded by stating that Grad is from the same area of PA as Montana and Marino. I'm going to ride you for a long time on that one. Or the one you said about Grad throwing 60 yards on a rope. You have no argument so now you're resorting to saying I misspell my words or make typos. OOOOHHH, that's real clever caveman. How did you manage to beat out 200 million other sperm to the egg?

I stated earlier that I wasn't sure who makes the decision on the jersey colors. It may be Gruden. It may be someone else. I don't know. You know for certain? You're in the Bucs organization? I said I would ask a couple of guys within the club that would know that answer.

You know I am far more intelligent than you. And not just in football. Just get over it little man.

[Tom]

Good one Kurt. The Pterodactyl is getting your dumb@$$ also.

[Tom]

Oh, I was trying to find my grammatical errors and I found it. I accidentally wrote "your" for "You're." Because the word "your" is for a possession like "my intellect is far superior to yours." Or "You're not the sharpest tool in the toolbox."

I'm going to laugh myself to sleep now. Thanks, buddy. YOU'RE a real idiot!!

[smelly cat]

Skylar you are an idiot. Not once did you b@@tch slap Tom. Your points and counter points were like what a 10 year old would write. How old are you? Is Kurt really a person or is he just you signing on as someone else? If he is a real person tell him to get his head out of your a**hole!

[smelly cat]

hacketts asessment of skylars buddy, The Grad-man...

"I was happy when you look at the overall performance and doing what we had to do," offensive coordinator Paul Hackett said of Gradkowski. "But my goodness gracious, there were half-a-dozen plays that you would love to think that at this stage, he would make those plays. And I think that was the disappointing thing.

"When you get those turnovers, you've got to score touchdowns, you've got to slam the door. And if you don't slam the door, then you're suspect."

even his qb coach thinks he stinks skylar. i noticed you didnt respond to any of my posts concerning the whole Vince Young/B. Grad that you brought up. that was anargument you should have kept in your head, it made you look foolish. in terms that you use...i guess you got b@@tch slapped didnt you? go back to the Tampa Tribune blogs and spew your BS to the morons over there. I bet you and Anwar get along real well

[smelly cat]

hacketts asessment of skylars buddy, The Grad-man...

"I was happy when you look at the overall performance and doing what we had to do," offensive coordinator Paul Hackett said of Gradkowski. "But my goodness gracious, there were half-a-dozen plays that you would love to think that at this stage, he would make those plays. And I think that was the disappointing thing.

"When you get those turnovers, you've got to score touchdowns, you've got to slam the door. And if you don't slam the door, then you're suspect."

even his qb coach thinks he stinks skylar. i noticed you didnt respond to any of my posts concerning the whole Vince Young/B. Grad that you brought up. that was anargument you should have kept in your head, it made you look foolish. in terms that you use...i guess you got b@@tch slapped didnt you? go back to the Tampa Tribune blogs and spew your BS to the morons over there. I bet you and Anwar get along real well

[aaron]

in case you didnt realize Skylar, the last two posts were from me. Smelly Cat is the name that i use when i try to post on your good buddies site, The Tribune. they never let my stuff get on the board. i guess they dont like me...boo hoo.
Anyways are you just ignoring what i said in response to incredibaly stupid comment about Grad being just as good as Young? you know there was once a point that i thought you had some good football knowledge, but then you told Tom that load of dung about grad and the whole PA thing. that is the weakest argument i have ever heard. i cannot believe you even said that. youre credibility is now at 0.

[aaron]

you know skylar there are some very knowledgeable people who post on this site and it looked like you may be one of them. but then you said that whole PA thing. like tom said, you will never live that down. i dont always agree with tom but i know he has good smarts about football, same with DR. they have some very interesting points. we may differ in some thoughts and philosophies but you can tell they have a good knowledge of the game. you on the other hand are a pretender. please go back to the Tribune. Did Anwar send you over here?