Crist Not Foley Roommate
Contrary to rumors flying in the Mark Foley scandal, GOP gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist said Tuesday that no, he didn't share a Tallahassee apartment with Foley during legislative sessions when both were serving in the Florida Senate.





That is a BOLD face lie! Adam, Joni and Steve you need to do a little bit of research i.e. maybe talk to anyone that was in Tallahassee at the time and you can call him on this lie. I even think Mike Fassano was a roomate (however I am not positive)
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Alright you Dailykos morons, Blog away because in a little over a month you will be wondering why the "idiot voters" rejected democrats yet again.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:21 PM
That is a BOLD face lie! Adam, Joni and Steve you need to do a little bit of research i.e. maybe talk to anyone that was in Tallahassee at the time and you can call him on this lie. I even think Mike Fassano was a roomate (however I am not positive)
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:21 PM
That is a BOLD face lie! Adam, Joni and Steve you need to do a little bit of research i.e. maybe talk to anyone that was in Tallahassee at the time and you can call him on this lie. I even think Mike Fassano was a roomate (however I am not positive)
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Fasano Foley and Crist
I bet those 3 had some fun.
Crist was the Indian
Fasano was the Construction Worker
Foley was the police man
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:22 PM
This is a fib. I cant understand this one. If I remember correctly Foley and Crist have even made reference to it at different events. Charlie may not have been on any of the bills but he lived there.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:23 PM
the tenth lie in a series from the davis campaign.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:25 PM
time period on when Crist,Foley, Fasano allegedlly were roommates, please?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:25 PM
4:25 look up Foley's bio and see when he served in the State Leg and match those with Crist and Fassano. One word: GOOGLE!!!
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:28 PM
4:21--dream on.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Depends on what your definition of roommate is, is.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:32 PM
Interesting Question 13. Now that is what really needs to be investigated.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/judy_woodruff/j_woodruff10062;_ylt=AgdT5qZc_G_SbvKcjknEn9yvEdEF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--?rf=11#comments
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:35 PM
OK Bill Clinton.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:35 PM
Fasano was elected in '94...and I think Foley was elected in '94 to congress
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:45 PM
You left wing fringe conspiracy instagators sure hate the TRUTH.
By Brian E. Crowley
Palm Beach Post Political Editor
Tuesday, October 03, 2006
FBI and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement were beginning preliminary investigations to determine whether he broke any laws.
FDLE helping out in Foley case
Investigation looking at ex-congressman's e-mails
---------------------------------------------
Tallahassee Democrat
By Paul Flemming
FLORIDA CAPITAL BUREAU
October 3, 2006
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is assisting the Federal Bureau of Investigation in its inquiry into former congressman Mark Foley's e-mail exchanges with underaged congressional pages.
DeLuise said Attorney General Charlie Crist's office has also offered the help of its Child Protection Cybercrime Unit.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:48 PM
I remember Crist and Foley rooming together in Tallahassee during the 1993 session. I would stake my life on it.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:51 PM
You'll stake your life on it but not print your name ... whatever.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:52 PM
So what if they were roomates?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:55 PM
4:51 sounds like your are about to jump of a bridge because guess what, YOU ARE WRONG!, enough with your
fringe lie instagating.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:56 PM
I recall a sitting dem. senator who killed someone and another who used to be the head of the kkk.
Wasnt there also a dem congressman who slept with a teenage boy who refused to resign and his party supported him?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 04:58 PM
would someone please explain why this makes any difference at all.
So what if they were room-mates?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:04 PM
Breaking NewsFOLEY BOMBSHELL COMING ... FORMER CONGRESSMAN'S ATTORNEY TO HOLD NEWS CONFERENCE IN WEST PALM BEACH, FLA.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:08 PM
and I'm supposed to believe Charlie Crist? please. this man who won't to b truthful to the people of Florida.
Why does Charlie hate Florida so badly?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:14 PM
No kidding. Who cares if he was roommates with Foley. I had many roommates in my late teens thru mid twenties. I cant tell you how weird many were, and I didnt care to know what they were involved in.
That said, if Crist really did room with Foley, he would say it. Lying would only make him look horrible and untrustworthy when it came out that he lied. You know the liberal media would find out if he was lying. So my analysis is that he is telling the truth.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:19 PM
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Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:20 PM
Charie just did the dumbest thing a politician can do - he lied. Once you get caught, and he will, it is all over. The voters won't be able to trust him. And if they can't trust him , they can't vote for him.
Charlie - I thought you were at least smarter than that.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:20 PM
will charlie crist become florida's first gay governor?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:23 PM
Why are you so surprised? Charlie has lied his whole life - its who and what he is.
Why has Charlie forsaken the children of Florida?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:23 PM
5:20 you sure are DUMB!. What the matter just can't accept the TRUTH. Jeeeezzzzzzz get a clue and get some sense.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:24 PM
5:23 see 5:24 comment, it literally gives bloggers a headache to read rantings of idiots like yourself. At least pretend to have some intelligence.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:26 PM
Charlie has always lied ... and now ABC is reporting that our Republican legislator was having IT sex while waiting to vote for emergency WAR Appropriations -
This message was dated April 2003, at approximately 7 p.m., according to the message time stamp.
Maf54: I miss you
Teen: ya me too
Maf54: we are still voting
Maf54: you miss me too
The exchange continues in which Foley and the teen both appear to describe having sexual orgasms.
Maf54: ok..i better go vote..did you know you would have this effect on me
Teen: lol I guessed
Teen: ya go vote…I don't want to keep you from doing our job
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
Teen: :-*
Teen:
The House voted that evening on HR 1559, Emergency War Time supplemental appropriations.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:26 PM
Charlie Crist and Mark Foley were both elected to the Florida Senate in 1992. Foley was then elected to Congress in 1994. Fasano was elected to the state house in 1994 - he could not have roomed with Foley.
It is technically possible for Crist and Foley to have been roommates during the 1993 and 1994 Legislative Sessions.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:26 PM
Wasn't that around the same time that Crist was accused of paternity???
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:26 PM
5:24, please explain how Foley being Crist's roomate in 1994 makes any difference. Please provide specifics.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:29 PM
Republicans lie and cheat and steal
now the esteemed Republican House Leader Denny Hastert is blaming not only Democrats, but HE'S BLAMING THE KIDS TOO!
SPEAKER HASTERT: There were two pieces of paper out there, one that we knew about and we acted on; one that happened in 2003 we didn't know about, but somebody had it, and, you know, they're trying -- and they drop it the last day of the session, you know, before we adjourn on an election year. Now, we took care of Mr. Foley. We found out about it, asked him to resign. He did resign. He's gone. We asked for an investigation. We've done that. We're trying to build better protections for these page programs.
But, you know, this is a political issue in itself, too, and what we've tried to do as the Republican Party is make a better economy, protect this country against terrorism -- and we've worked at it ever since 9/11, worked with the president on it -- and there are some people that try to tear us down. We are the insulation to protect this country, and if they get to me it looks like they could affect our election as well.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:30 PM
it's so much fun to see all this lying hypocritical republican trash scrambling for cover.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:32 PM
THEY LIVED TOGETHER ... and both are "metro men" and God knows what else they shared.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:32 PM
5:29
If Charlie's not lying, then it doesn't matter at all, does it?
But, if Charlie did lie, well, it doesn't matter then either. All that will matter is that Charlie lied.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:35 PM
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE THAT CRIST AND FOLEY SHARED AN APARTMENT IN TALLAHASSEE 14 YEARS AGO??????????
WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? WHAT AM I MISSING?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:39 PM
5:39, nice try it didn't happen. And if it did, it wouldn't matter other than the fact it would be used for political purposes. If people really thought about it, it wouldn't matter, but for election purposes, it would be used as headline material.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:43 PM
4:51, on your way to the bridge could you please stop by and invite some of your fellow "conspiracy theory UFO IDIOTs" to join you. There sure are some stupid poeple out there that just cant handle the truth that debunks their nonsense. 5:30, 5:32, please get away from the computer and for heavens sakes..GET HELP!. You take away from the credibilty of trying to read the blogs for intelligent communications!
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:46 PM
5:46 amen, no wonder the democrats have such a hard time winning, its the party of the mentally unstable.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:49 PM
hey 5:46 - Denny Hastert is now blaming the kids...."they're out to get me! oh no"
tuning in for the foley attorney press conference - what will he say? who will he implicate?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:52 PM
HEY,
I THOUGHT CRIST WAS KATHERINE HARRIS' ROOMATE BACK THEN
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:56 PM
He's gonna say stuff that takes down the entire republican leadership....
"I did not have sexual relations with that page"
Or, some bizarre health diagnosis
Or that he is on suicide watch
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 05:59 PM
Molested by a priest and he is a gay man
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:02 PM
Democrats are the "party of the mentally unstable"?
What planet have YOU been living on for the last 5 days? I'm pretty sure it was a Repugnican former congressman who checked into rehab this weekend for his previously unknown alochoholism. Or was it for his pedophilia.
BTW, Isn't Kooky Katherine a Repugnican? Talk about mentally unstable. Man we Dems have NOTHING on you guys.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:06 PM
acknowledges and accepts full responsibility
I'd like to add that its time the Republican leadership takes full responsibility for their ineptedness as "keepers of the house"
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:06 PM
gee, what's this attorney's definition of "minor"?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:06 PM
Research documents that peds like young boys (or girls depending on their leanings) primarily pre-puberty. In general, they are not turned on by mature persons. So get a life all of you paranoid conspiracy theorists. There is no way that Mark Foley would have found an adult Charlie Christ sexually appealing.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:08 PM
6:08 that's not what we were thinking at all doofus.
if one is into kids - then maybe his roommate - who has a peculiar lifestyle - share more than the bathroom sink.
Do you feel safer yet? Lying, incompetent, cheating, threatening, perverted and now we know, a drunk legislator voting on the house floor.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:10 PM
6:08 in case you missed it - Mark Foley is not only a sexual pervert, but he has now claimed via his attorney that he is a gay man. He's been lying to his constituents and his peers for many, many years.
do you feel safer yet? Charlie Crist needs to come out and declare his personal lifestyle NoW. It is a matter of security - national and state security. Blackmailing and exlovers is not something to be tangling with when it comes to gubernatorial duties.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:13 PM
It took Betty Castor long enough to do something for Alex Sink:
Dear Friends,
I am urging you to help my friend Alex Sink, Democrat for Florida's
Chief Financial Officer.
Sixteen years have passed since I was elected statewide -- the last
time a Democratic woman won a statewide election. Alex needs to break
that record because she is clearly the best-qualified candidate for
CFO. For those of you not familiar with this important race, CFO is a
new position created in 2002 combining several cabinet positions into
one. Now there are only four members of the Florida cabinet --
another important reason to have Alex representing Florida taxpayers.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:20 PM
so this PREDATOR now says that he was always drunk when doing inappropriate emails and messaging. gee, on one of those im's he was voting on an emergency war appropriations bill!
now our legislators not only drive drunk, they also vote and represent we, the people drunk too>!?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:20 PM
Charlie and Foley sittin' in a tree.
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:31 PM
maybe not charlie, but
foley was crist roommate - or maybe he just stayed OVER a lot. but folks have seen and been there and we know who lived/or stayed with whom.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:34 PM
6:31, you sure carry the IDIOT blog commenters well. Where are the intelligent people on the left. 6:31 is giving us a bad name!
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:37 PM
6:34, the UFO is hovering over your house, remember to pack lunch for your trip.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:38 PM
By Brian E. Crowley
Palm Beach Post Political Editor
Tuesday, October 03, 2006
FBI and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement were beginning preliminary investigations to determine whether he broke any laws.
FDLE helping out in Foley case
Investigation looking at ex-congressman's e-mails
---------------------------------------------
Tallahassee Democrat
By Paul Flemming
FLORIDA CAPITAL BUREAU
October 3, 2006
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is assisting the Federal Bureau of Investigation in its inquiry into former congressman Mark Foley's e-mail exchanges with underaged congressional pages.
DeLuise said Attorney General Charlie Crist's office has also offered the help of its Child Protection Cybercrime Unit.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:42 PM
Can't wait until Crist has his Foley moment.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:50 PM
And Charlie will count on it. Can we say Time bomb...
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 06:56 PM
What Crist says and what Crist does are two different things.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 07:18 PM
Exactly 7:18 and he will get away with it, just amazing, literally amazing. My joy will be when someone with credibility, comes forward about Crist..and he is handed a "FOLEY< MCGREAVY" moment... and can't lie out of it. His usual MO
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 07:32 PM
Man, you lefties are a complete bunch of morons. When I heard you kooks say that he was roomies, I stupidly believed it, but didnt care, b/c i had tons of roommates in different years, and I made a point not to know what they are doing privately. Thats typical for men roommates, we do not chat, or even hang out.
But now Crist states clearly for the record that he did not room with Foley, and not only do you not believe him (which is stupid, b/c he would know better than lie to the press something that can be proven wrong), but you still rant it and say they are both gay pedifiles.
What the hell is wrong with you liberals? Get over yourselves. Oh yea, and in 5 weeks, get ready to say, GOVERNOR CRIST.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 08:21 PM
EXCUSE ME 8:21 but from the past 6 years, and most recently the knowledge that the Republican legislature COVERED UP this pervert's nastiness, and the lies leading us into invading a country and then supposed to bvelieve that there is "a plan" that they're following - why in the wide open world would I, a God fearing exRepublican, ever consider believing what comes out of MetroMan's aka Charlie Cristies' mouth?
the man is gay - has had lovers and they are not all happy about his "keeping it in the closet". I personally don't give a whopping bugger what he does in his bed, car, elevator, pool with consenting adult(s) - however because of the terrorists that we have helped create in the world - they are a problem and SECURITY is the issue.
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 08:44 PM
Hi Termie - it has come to this - SPam has hit our blog. I've stopped reading posts that don't ID the poster. Surely Adam or the person in charge notices that signing in with a pseudo-real name works a lot better than this.
Your friend,
Irish Whiskey
Posted by: Irish Whiskey | October 03, 2006 at 08:54 PM
THe lady doth protest too much, methinks - From Hamlet (III, ii, 239)
Posted by: Bill | October 03, 2006 at 09:22 PM
It all could be subject to Florida's Sunshine laws.
All someone has to do is check the Tallahassee utility bills for the early 90s; the Senate personnel records that show the housing allowances that are made for Senators to see the addresses on the checks that were cut; and the Senate personnel records for emergency contact information. They are likely in the archives and I doubt if they have ever been thrown away.
While you're at it, check Katherine Harris' personnel records too. Where did she live?
They all served together, right? She did date Crist, didnt' she?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 09:27 PM
This information is public record thru the Senate Sargent At arms ..Each senator had to leave an address ..I spoke with a retired Senator who visited Crist to discuss legislative issues and was Surprised when Foley opened the Door ..Crist is lying ..Adam you need a fact check!
Posted by: Imadashell | October 03, 2006 at 09:48 PM
Has anyone asked Crist if the Attorney General's office or "CyberCrime" unit received any complaints or information about the Foley emails prior to last week?
Posted by: Joe | October 03, 2006 at 10:49 PM
Katherine Harris lived in a big house in Myer's Park in Tallahassee when she served. It occupied half a block.
Posted by: Catherine Murat | October 03, 2006 at 11:01 PM
Daryl,
We are in high cotton now! Whoops, sorry for the unfortunate imagery. Anyway, this Foley thing is awesome. Since even with Gallagher's help we could not make the paternity thing stick, a new (closet) door has been opened for us. Have you read what our buddies gatordem, imadashell have been writing? Now, we can tag the other guy as gay, gay with a gay congressman, and even a pedophile. Man, are we gonna get some mileage out of this! Now, voters will overlook our complete lack of a workable plan for school accountability and tax cuts. Maybe no one will ask me to account for my party-line vote against the terrorist surveillance program.
Isn't it great that we have some real substantive issues to discuss? He's gay! He's gay! (Just make sure you don't say it in front of gays...we are supposed to be the party of gay tolerance.)
Do me a favor...check and see if we have cut the gap to less than 20%. See you at our next $750 fundraiser.
Jim
Posted by: Jim Davis | October 03, 2006 at 11:15 PM
if only charlie crist and ken mehlman, the chairman of the republican party, would come out. what is it about the republican party that attracts so many closet-cases?
Posted by: | October 03, 2006 at 11:39 PM
As long as Mark Foley is out of the picture, Joe Negron will be a natural shoe in just as long as Ralph Hughes continues to write him checks.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/campfin/contrib.asp
Ralph Hughes contributor
Negron, Joe (REP)(ATG) 03/02/2005 500.00 CHE HUGHES RALPH W. 10909 THERESA ARBOR DR. TAMPA, FL 33617 INDUSTRIALIST
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/03/13/news_pf/State/Activist
Posted by: deep_throat_74 | October 04, 2006 at 12:01 AM
When will John Kerry announce he is gay..anyone see his wife.. its obvious come out John Kerry.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 12:18 AM
Jeb Bush, Charlie Crist Knew About Mark Foley A Year Ago
According to Wayne Madsen Reports, the FBI and Justice Department
informed the Florida Governor's office, Attorney General Crist, and the Florida
AG's Child Protection Cybercrime Unit at least a year ago about Foley's
predatory emails and instant messages.
for the full Report
http://www.ChangeIn Tallahassee. com
Posted by: Ron Mills | October 04, 2006 at 03:58 AM
-- Informed sources in Tallahassee, Florida have told WMR that Governor Jeb Bush was fully aware of ex-Rep. Mark Foley's conduct with underage male pages but sat on the information to protect Foley and another top GOP Florida official, Attorney General Charlie Crist, who is currently running for governor to replace Bush. Today, Jeb Bush said he had not previously known about Foley's behavior with the pages before being informed by House Speaker Dennis Hastert in a letter dated October 1, 2006. Bush said he was "dismayed and shocked to learn about Congressman Foley's unacceptable behavior."
However, according to our Florida sources, the FBI and Justice Department informed the Florida Governor's office, Attorney General Crist, and the Florida AG's Child Protection Cybercrime Unit at least a year ago about Foley's predatory emails and instant messages. WMR was told that Crist's conflict-of-interest in the case stems from Crist's and Foley's involvement in gay sex parties, some of which took place during 2003 in trendy Coconut Grove, Florida.
Posted by: Imadashell | October 04, 2006 at 06:17 AM
Imadashell and Mills,
Get over it, and stop lying before you end up in jail. That is a lying smear site, and they will be punished if they dont remove that.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 08:34 AM
8:34 am.. Hit a hot button? Calm down, will ya.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 08:42 AM
charlie crist rents his apartment in st. petersburg from an aging queen who is well known at the gay bars. charlie isn't married and doesn't have any children. his appearance is meticulous, and his wardrobe is quite stylish. do the math, dunderheads.
charlie crist, if elected, will be florida's first gay governor. i'm okay with that.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 09:01 AM
I use to be gay. I quit because it was a pain in the ass.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 09:25 AM
If they were on legislative business, just do a public records request for their travel vouchers. Problem solved. Receipts and a lease would show an address that was the same or not.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 09:33 AM
Why is Charlie threatened for coming out? hell, democrats would elect him just for being finally honest and the future threats of blackmail hence our SECURTIY would not be threatened.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 10:16 AM
TOP TEN DEMOCRAT SEX SCANDALS
10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment.
9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa.
8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male escort who ran an escort service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s.
7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and forced intercourse, the first surfacing in 1988.
6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting intercourse from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.
5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances.
4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for intercourse acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.
3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for intercourse relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.
2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.
1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of forced intercourse, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 04:23 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmfa.htm
The kid was 18 years old during Foley's IM's!!
Still sick, but not illegal.
Posted by: | October 04, 2006 at 08:46 PM
Charlie Crist to be OUTED this week. Stay tuned.
Posted by: Bert | October 07, 2006 at 07:53 AM