Brown-Waite on Muslim bashing

Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite on Thursday angrily refused calls by a Muslim advocacy group to condemn a prominent Hernando County Republican who called Islam a “hateful, frightening religion.”

Brown-Waite condemned Gov. Jeb Bush and the head of the Republican Party of Florida who last week demanded an apology from Commissioner Tom Hogan and his wife, Mary Ann Hogan. On Friday, Gov.-elect Charlie Crist severed Mary Ann Hogan’s relationship with his campaign in response to a letter from the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

It's been more than a week since Mary Ann Hogan's letter touched off the controversy, but Brown-Waite, through her spokesman, declined to comment until today. CAIR faxed a letter to her Friday evening.

“Mrs. Hogan expressed in her statements the views of many of my constituents,” Brown-Waite wrote, “and while they do not encourage harmony in the community, they should demonstrate to you how many United States citizens perceive your faith.”

Related: Bush blasts couple's comments (Nov. 1)

Comments

Yeah, Ginny knows that if she rebukes the Hogan's Tuesday would have been her LAST re-election!! but if Ginny really belives what she says, maybe it should be!!

Good for Ginny!

It's about time someone stand up to Muslim extremists.

If not, I fear we will suffer the same fate as France and Amsterdam.

Liberal white guilt will do us in on this issue, I'm afraid - "oh, if we only understand them it'll be OK!"

[political junkie]

Of course she would wait until she was re-elected to spew such hatred. Ginny is a representative of her community and should make public statements professional. This is obviously a personal issue that she has with an entire religion (as you can tell by 3 pages of angry babbling, as opposed to a simple statement). She will be receiving a well-deserved backlash from her Muslim constituents that she is apprently "representing." I use the term loosely.

It is very sad for me to see this kind of hatred in our State's government.

[political junkie]

And as far as Ginny's statement that CAIR has not come out to speak against the terrible destruction a small group of extremist terrorists caused...that is completely false. CAIR makes it a great point to condemn each and every act of terrorism inflicted in the name of Islam. It is absolute ignorance to state otherwise. Pure and simple.

[politicalspectator]

Nice that we live in a country where you can spew forth no matter who it offends or disenfranchises.

Republicans better make sure the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights are secure if they want to continue talking ugly. Otherwise the Constitution is "just a piece of paper".

[Vtopa]

Read the woman's letter. She is psychotic. Its the same broken record...you muslims need to renounce terrorism, you muslims need to control your behavior, etc. I find it funny (if not sad) that when she was told that muslims had taken a full page ad out in the NY Times to renounce terrorism her excuse for ignoring that fact was that she didn't believe her constituents read that paper! Huh?? The NY Times? Nobody in Florida reads that? Are you kidding me? She is a total bigot. Who are the idiots who reelected her?

Does Islam not preach the killing of infidels?

[politicalspectator]

Perhaps she deserves to be "freedom-fried" in the next election.

Why do Christians always have to back down from Muslims? Thank you for telling them to go to hell Congresswoman.

The Pope states fact that Islam is intolerant and evil. How do they respond? By killing a defenseless nun who has taken a vow of poverty and serves the poor. How tough you Muslim men really are, how impressive. You proved the Pope's point and the Congresswoman's point. Your religion has nothing to offer but hate and evil!

Well, she certainly flipped them off.

No let's get back to some serious work.

[Musa]

Who are the idiots who reelected her?

The same idiots who ask "Does Islam not preach the killing of infidels?"

Just one example - Muslims ruled India for 900 years and it has still over 83% Hindus. Also why do so many Muslim countries have so many non-Muslims? Educate yourself before making hateful comment.

[KB]

So what religion were Tim McVeigh and the Columbine high killers? Mass murderers come in all shapes, sizes and religions. Ginny and Ann Coulter seem to have a lot in common.

Brown-Waite will be serving with the first elected Muslim in this new Congress.

I am for freedom of speech but you have to be willing to take it when others hold you to your statements.

[paul]

OH PLEASE! Once the major Islamic religous leaders call
for a Truce and peace, then I will believe you. We know the real truth. You don't see the Pope with a sword do you?
People open your eyes!!!!!
P.C. is B.S.

Her first bill in the new COngress will be to have the Muslim member pilloried and then have Cheny come in and "water table" him.

Posted by: paul | November 09, 2006 at 03:37 PM

When are Christians stop shoving their belief's into my governments Laws?

[JD]

Why do people fight MOSTLY in the name of religion? No religion, and I mean ABSOLUTELY no religion teaches violence. There are good Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and there are bad.
If we only made an effort to find out about each other, we will find out that at the end of the day, each one has the same principles. We all want to be happy, eat, live.. and most importantly respect each other's differences.
God Bless us all.

[political junkie]

Stated beautifully and right on point JD.

God Bless you as well.

Love,
Proud Muslim American

I really am not sure if the Christian religious leaders had swors in their hands when they called for the crusade that killed everything human or living thing in their way.
Also to this other person who is asking "How tough you Muslim men really are" I would say, Luckily the Muslim people are not like you otherwise they would ask all Americans "WHY?" when an American beats his wife, when a woman is raped here, or when someone is shot and killed in the streets of America.

I just read the statements by Mary Ann Hogan and can only ask... "is she nuts? does she have Alzheimer's?" What a biggoted, hateful woman. She and her husband need to be kicked out of the Republican Executive Committee, I don't care if they did start it up in the '60s. These kind of statements are reprehensible and should not be tolerated. Jeb was right to condemn these remarks, but he shold have snatched Hogan off the Couty Commission the same day. I don't care how much longer he had to serve.

Brown-Waite is a drukerd old hag...

I can't believe all the idiots on here. Look at the real problems in the world what (excluding a retarded midget) is the link between all the unrest in the world???? Islam.
Why the heck can't people state facts anymore screw emotions if you have a problem with them fix yourself and your people and if you aren't one of them quit apologizing and defending them they have shown they have no problem doing it. It's these same cowards who defend everyone else but their country and the only people that will ever protect them. They will end up putting us all in danger at some point. There ancestors have to be so disappointed all that they went through for us to have this great country (no matter which party is in charge) and these idiots do all they can to put us below everyone else. Being better is a good thing accept it! Be an example make other people be better don't make excuses for them.

Thanks for the comments Ginny, you old gin dragon. Have another drink!

[Sanity]

To those saying "Christians shouldn't back down from Muslims" and such things:

Islam is not the terrible religion you take it to be from the highly selective media you watch and read. One-fifth of humanity claims Islam as its faith. Do you rally think they/we are all "out to get you"?

I don't look at the slave trade, the entire colonial age, the Crusades and the Inquisition, the genocide in Rwanda, and World Wars I & II (including the Holocaust and the dropping of the atom bomb), all of which make up some of the greatest atrocities of human history, and draw the conclusion that just because Christians were the primary political and military minds and actors behind them (and some of them were perpetrated in the name of Christianity with official church backing), that therefore Christianity is inherently evil. I don't look at the actions of countless Catholic priests and think it would be OK to publish cartoons of Jesus Christ having sex with children to make the point that pedophilia is somehow inherent to Christianity. I don't do these things because I know enough about Christianity and Christians to make distinctions and have no interest in defiling a religion and global population for which I have developed respect. You may feel that Muslims need to do more within their/our own communities. Many of us do. But there is an onus on you too, and especially on our religious and political leaders, to not truck in blatant racism and then justify it by saying "I reflect the views of many". Well so did Hitler.

Please, for the sake of all of us, do some more thinking. Because if you want to compare historical records of brutality, misogyny, and forced conversions, you will not like how adherents of Christianity will compare to adherents to Islam.

[goddess7]

LOOK AGAIN FOR THE "LINK" BETWEEN ALL THE UNREST IN THE WORLD..PERHAPS YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT OF ALL.
Bush, the great born-again Christian who consulted Jesus with his war
plans, is presiding over the death of Christianity in Iraq. Christian
refugees are fleeing to Syria and Lebanon in vast numbers. Their
churches are being burned, and their priests are being murdered.
Iraq's one million Christians -- who have survived on that land for
2,000 years -- are in mortal peril. Bush's war has made that happen.

Good for her. In this country you do not have the right to not be offended. If CAIR doesn't like a statement made by someone in a public forum, they have a right to plead their case accordingly. To seek condemnation by our politicians is a joke, and frankly I am ashamed of any politician who folds to the pressure exerted by what is, in fact, a special interest group.

It is the people like Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite and those who agree with her that are at the heart of the terrorism problem in the world. When will these people learn that hate only begets hate? We can do with little compassion in this troubled world

[Melissa Durbin]

Good for Ginny Brown-Waite. If Muslims were truly worried about their image they would be working on it. But instead they too cow-tow to the terrorist.

[George Powell]

Do you people even listen to yourselves? You hypocrites accuse others of hypocrisy. I hate to be the one to say it but the truth is indiscriminate, and it doesn't care whether or not you want to hear it.

I can't understand people who roast someone for stating an obvious truth just because offending people is politically incorrect. Sometimes the truth offends, I'm sorry you have to hear that. Ginny is only saying what most Americans feel about Islam. Now, I won't stereotype people, but the only example we've had to go on in this country of Muslim extremists is that of mindless killing and violence.

Tell me, were you people not angered by 9/11? Stop expecting everyone to think the way you do, because it's not only ignorant but it's pointlessly stupid.

[jackie]

Three cheers for Ginny. It's about time somebody stands up for the rights of ALL Americans to speak their own opinion in public without fear of retribution. What good is a constitution that only stands up for the rights of special interest groups? If you don't like the Hogan's opinion, TOUGH! I don't like yours!

[Just Look at Her]

Her face is hideous, just like her beliefs. No need to waste your time with these ugly republicans. Their beliefs always mimic their face.

[Sanity]

George Powell:

It's not about expecting someone to think like me. It's about me and others not cowtowing to others' bigotry by apologizing for our faith. I don't ask others to do it and if others ask me to do it I am not going to humor them by being bashful. I will stick back in their faces that such a shallow read on why people attack us is part of the problem and is the kind of htinking that gets us into unrelated and unnecessary wars like Iraq.

Are there extremists in Muslim societies? Yes. Are there a larger percentage in that community than in those of other faith communities? I don't think so. You may think there are, but it is for that reason that I point out the much greater violence committed by Christians - not to indict Christianity, but to point out that you have to go to a deeper level if you are serious about dealing with this problem.

If we have a shared concern to be a safer country and to counter extremism, then we need to know why it is coming from the places it is. If your argument is that Islam as a faith is the problem, you will pursue certain policies. If you think the problem is not the faith, but is a range of unresolved political grievances widely felt across the Muslim world (Israel-Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan for which many hold the US largely responsible) combined with bad political leadership in many Muslim countries that has nothing to do with Islam but is opening the door to all kinds of extremists to manipulate people's grievances and use religion fraudulently, then you will pursue other policies. The latter understanding stands a much greater chance of leading to policies that will prevent future attacks, but if you want to stick to the former, and apply a standard to Islam that you would never apply to any other community, go right ahead. You can go on thinking that it is good to "offend Muslims" by telling us that our religion is violent and evil. I think that is about as relevant as a KKK activist telling African Americans that they are "inferior" and defending a politician's right to use the "n" word in referencing them because he believes they are responsible for all the crime in the US. In other words, you absolutely have a right to make and defend bigoted remarks, but don't expect Muslims like those at CAIR to stop saying that it is you, and not they, who don't understand what American principles and values are all about.

And what about the above makes you think anyone was not angered by 9/11? On the contrary, some of us are trying to get to the bottom of it rather than give in to the most shallow and hateful interpretations.

[John]

Read the Koran. It does say several times that Infedels must die. Now this Religion is Based on the Koran, which is the literal word of God. Let's just admit the God's of Zues and Apollo are no different than Jesus or Allah.

[Mother]

Jackie and Melissa - as Americans we have done hateful things to the rest of humanity. Look around us and if we a black person next to us, lets do some soul searching. Think some more and we will see what we did in Veitnam. Again some more and we will see what we did in So. America. And then think again...... I am not proud of all of this so I dont want to list it. And that does not mean Milissa or Jackie or I are also bad, even though as a nation our country did it.
I travelled out of the country for the first time and I tell you, I am not so proud to be an American.
Lets first free ourselves of evils before we start defiling ohters.

[CJ]

Has anybody read the Koran?
It is what it is. Taken literally, it
calls for the deaths of Infidels, that being most of us.
Can anybody correct me? The passages seem pretty forthright to me.

[Paul D. Harvill]

Tom Hogan?

The same Tom Hogan who used to be an assistant state attorney?

Now a county commissioner?

[independent]

Hello,

After reading everone's comments I could not help remember how this country felt about African Americans not to long ago. Even educated people called them stupid and thought them somehow inferior and evil. Remember those days?
Seems like we are doing the same thing now to Muslims. I'm sure one day we will look back and won't believe what we as a country got away with saying about these people who probably feel their relgion was hijacked by terrorists and will remain the real victims along with the dead of the sept 11th attacks. Let us learn from History and not repeat the same mistakes. There are good and bad people of all faiths, let us not forget that. Let us not brand all members of a group or faith evil based on the actions of a few. Again history has taught us what could happen when we do that,remember the holocaust?
Peace,
independent

[Gene]

Yes, I have read the Koran several times and wish I could spend more time on it, I would like to read it more. Yes, it does talk about killing the infidels, but if you read its reference in another portion, it is a command by God to the people that were abused by the non believers. And in most places, it is followed by something like, "but forgiving is better for you" or "leav them to the judegement of God is better".
One really needs to study it in depth. It is awesome book, I have found nothing else like it. Quoting any portion of the book does not work. I studied the life of their prophet too. you almost have to read the koran alongside the life of Mohammed, for it to make sense, unless you were born Muslim and know everything about him.

Sanity/445,

Abu, now it is time for you to come down off your high horse. Surely you jest? I stand by my statements.

Muslims are the ones calling for forced conversion, death or head tax. Islam is the religion which wanted to put an Afgan to death recently for converting to Christian. Islam is the one who has killed defenseless nuns and priests most recently. Islam is the one whose clerics abuse young men in madrasas in Pakistan. Islam is the one who forces woman to cover head to toe, or get beaten by the religion police.

You current crop of leaders are a far cry from Jinnah. He is probably rolling over in his grave.

Jihad is terrorism. Groups like Jaish-e Mohammad is terrorism. The MMA is terrorism. Islam is quickly becoming terrorism.

Tolerance toward you in Christian lands. Intolerance toward us in Islamic lands.

You can open a mosque in down town St. Peter, but I am not so sure I would be too welcome to open a Christian Church in Saudi or Pakistan's NWFP. Am I right or wrong? Yes, I am right and you full well know it.

[Gene]

Yes, I have read the Koran several times and wish I could spend more time on it, I would like to read it more. Yes, it does talk about killing the infidels, but if you read its reference in another portion, it is a command by God to the people that were abused by the non believers. And in most places, it is followed by something like, "but forgiving is better for you" or "leav them to the judegement of God is better".
One really needs to study it in depth. It is awesome book, I have found nothing else like it. Quoting any portion of the book does not work. I studied the life of their prophet too. you almost have to read the koran alongside the life of Mohammed, for it to make sense, unless you were born Muslim and know everything about him.

[Renee]

Maybe those at CAIR should be apologizing:

Omar Ahmad
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
A Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

Ibrahim Hooper
CAIR Spokesperson

"CAIR does not support these groups publicly."
(Hooper comments on CAIR's record of supporting Hamas, Hezbullah and other official terrorist groups)

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

[Sanity]

On Renee:

Thanks for posting the selective quotes from the Omar Ahmed. I see that in addition to being a Muslim, he is the CEO of a tech company. By the logic some of youa re using here, I think this should lead us all to consider what an insidious and hateful place is Silicon Valley. In fact, I think the entire tech sector is the spawn of evil and we should all have a right to degrade, debase, and villify anyone who has led one of those companies. I feel dirty even touching my computer as I type this.

And speaking of selective quoting and religious texts, I can quite easily quote you from Old Testament and New multiple excerpts that exhort God's followers to kill infidels, that God (Yahweh) is like a tornado leading the way in front of Hebrew armies, etc. etc. I can also quote from all 3 holy texts (the Quran included now) to make each faith sound as if violence is anathema to everythig they stand for. Selective quoting is not a way to understand faiths and the Quran is simply not any more violent in what is presented therein than are the Old or New Testaments.

[Deborah]

Ann Coulter speech -10/9/2003
20 years of relentless attacks on America by Muslim Extremists.Some blame religious extremists of any stripe. The Amish have been very quiet lately.
Sept.11,2001- 3000 Americans slaughtered on our own soil by Muslim Extremists.
Oct.2000- USS Cole our warship attacked by Muslim Exremists.
1998- US Embassy in Kenya & Tansania were attacked by Muslim Extremists.
1996- US AirForce housing complex in Saudi Arabia attacked by Muslim Extremists.
1995- 5 Americans killed in car bombs set by Muslim Extremists.
1993- World Trade Center bombed by Muslin Extremists.
1988- Pan Am flght. #103 bombed by Muslim Extremists.
1986- W.Berlin Disco-tec frequented by US airmen bombed by Muslim Extremists,
1983-US Marine barracks blown up in Beruit by Muslim Extremists.
1982- US Embassy Beruit blown up by Muslim Extremists.
1979- US Embassy seized in Tehran takes Ameican hostages for 444 days by Muslim Extremists. Muslims are responsible for 100% of the attacks in the last 20 yrs.
Therefore when there is a 100% chance it ceases to be a profile...It is called a DESCRIPTION OF THE SUSPECT!
Wake Up America. They hate us and want us dead.

It's a shame that such idiots can be elected to Congress. Stupid representatives for the idiots who elect them.

[GROWITNHINGS]

Ginny has always been a self serving, two faced liar who speaks out of 85 sides of her mouth at one time.

She told me the reason her medical benifits are better than medicare's is that she is a government employee. Yet why should she get rx's for $5 for 3 months when she voted to give medicare rx program that is far more expensive to us, than hers. Who died and made her GOD. She makes enough to pay for her OWN MED INS AND NOT BE ON THE GOVERNEMNT DOLE FOR FREE MED INS!

She also voted to ease the rules so that Tom Delay would not get kicked out of congress for breaking the law.

She has produced vertulay no bilss in congress, HOWEVER SHE DID VOTE TO SUPPORT THE WAR WITHOUT CHECK IF THERE WAS CORRECT INTEL.

BEST OF ALL SHE VOTED FOR THE CHANGE TO FREEDOM FRIES, SHE VOTED TO ONLY HAVE TO WORK IN DC FOR 9 DAYS. SHE NEEDS TO BE KICK IN HER KISTER AND BOOTED OUT OF DC.

Ken Mehlman is quitting his post as Republican National Chairman, in the aftermath of his party's disastrous showing in this week's elections. The news also came just a day after Mehlman was outed as gay on CNN's Larry King Live. Maryland Lieutenant Governor and former State GOP Chair Michael Steele -- who lost a run for an open US Senate seat this year -- is already being mentioned as a frontrunner to replace Mehlman.

Thank You, Representative Brown-Waite for having the backbone to speak the truth and seeing this "Religion" for what it is - A belief full of hate and violence, not only of those who do not endorse their belief but also against women who are viewed and treated like chattel.

[Judy]

Read the BIBLE much? Yeah-there is sure some warm fuzzy sentiments in the Old testament when calling for the death of everyone and thing the Israelites come up against.

Get over it.Terrorists support their own twisted agenda and are not posterboys(or girls) for any religion.

No one here talks about Christian terrorists because they are EDUCATED enough about Christianity to realized that the terrorist who happens to be Christian does not reflect the views of the Christian mainstream.

Muslims died in 9/11 too. Both in the towers and as first responders. The Muslim community has comdemned terrorism since day one but bigots ignore this because it does not fit in with what they want to be true.That Islam and Muslims are not about terrorism.

And PUBLIC SERVANTS like politicians need to get a clue that the represent ALL the people,not just the ones they want too.There is no room in public office for bigots. If the same comments had been made and race(say African American or Hispanic) replaced the religion, the whole country would be calling for a resignation.

What a nasty, cantankeorus cunt!