Brown-Waite on Muslim bashing

Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite on Thursday angrily refused calls by a Muslim advocacy group to condemn a prominent Hernando County Republican who called Islam a “hateful, frightening religion.”

Brown-Waite condemned Gov. Jeb Bush and the head of the Republican Party of Florida who last week demanded an apology from Commissioner Tom Hogan and his wife, Mary Ann Hogan. On Friday, Gov.-elect Charlie Crist severed Mary Ann Hogan’s relationship with his campaign in response to a letter from the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

It's been more than a week since Mary Ann Hogan's letter touched off the controversy, but Brown-Waite, through her spokesman, declined to comment until today. CAIR faxed a letter to her Friday evening.

“Mrs. Hogan expressed in her statements the views of many of my constituents,” Brown-Waite wrote, “and while they do not encourage harmony in the community, they should demonstrate to you how many United States citizens perceive your faith.”

Related: Bush blasts couple's comments (Nov. 1)

Comments

Yeah, Ginny knows that if she rebukes the Hogan's Tuesday would have been her LAST re-election!! but if Ginny really belives what she says, maybe it should be!!

Good for Ginny!

It's about time someone stand up to Muslim extremists.

If not, I fear we will suffer the same fate as France and Amsterdam.

Liberal white guilt will do us in on this issue, I'm afraid - "oh, if we only understand them it'll be OK!"

[political junkie]

Of course she would wait until she was re-elected to spew such hatred. Ginny is a representative of her community and should make public statements professional. This is obviously a personal issue that she has with an entire religion (as you can tell by 3 pages of angry babbling, as opposed to a simple statement). She will be receiving a well-deserved backlash from her Muslim constituents that she is apprently "representing." I use the term loosely.

It is very sad for me to see this kind of hatred in our State's government.

[political junkie]

And as far as Ginny's statement that CAIR has not come out to speak against the terrible destruction a small group of extremist terrorists caused...that is completely false. CAIR makes it a great point to condemn each and every act of terrorism inflicted in the name of Islam. It is absolute ignorance to state otherwise. Pure and simple.

[politicalspectator]

Nice that we live in a country where you can spew forth no matter who it offends or disenfranchises.

Republicans better make sure the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights are secure if they want to continue talking ugly. Otherwise the Constitution is "just a piece of paper".

[Vtopa]

Read the woman's letter. She is psychotic. Its the same broken record...you muslims need to renounce terrorism, you muslims need to control your behavior, etc. I find it funny (if not sad) that when she was told that muslims had taken a full page ad out in the NY Times to renounce terrorism her excuse for ignoring that fact was that she didn't believe her constituents read that paper! Huh?? The NY Times? Nobody in Florida reads that? Are you kidding me? She is a total bigot. Who are the idiots who reelected her?

Does Islam not preach the killing of infidels?

[politicalspectator]

Perhaps she deserves to be "freedom-fried" in the next election.

Why do Christians always have to back down from Muslims? Thank you for telling them to go to hell Congresswoman.

The Pope states fact that Islam is intolerant and evil. How do they respond? By killing a defenseless nun who has taken a vow of poverty and serves the poor. How tough you Muslim men really are, how impressive. You proved the Pope's point and the Congresswoman's point. Your religion has nothing to offer but hate and evil!

Well, she certainly flipped them off.

No let's get back to some serious work.

[Musa]

Who are the idiots who reelected her?

The same idiots who ask "Does Islam not preach the killing of infidels?"

Just one example - Muslims ruled India for 900 years and it has still over 83% Hindus. Also why do so many Muslim countries have so many non-Muslims? Educate yourself before making hateful comment.

[KB]

So what religion were Tim McVeigh and the Columbine high killers? Mass murderers come in all shapes, sizes and religions. Ginny and Ann Coulter seem to have a lot in common.

Brown-Waite will be serving with the first elected Muslim in this new Congress.

I am for freedom of speech but you have to be willing to take it when others hold you to your statements.

[paul]

OH PLEASE! Once the major Islamic religous leaders call
for a Truce and peace, then I will believe you. We know the real truth. You don't see the Pope with a sword do you?
People open your eyes!!!!!
P.C. is B.S.

Her first bill in the new COngress will be to have the Muslim member pilloried and then have Cheny come in and "water table" him.

Posted by: paul | November 09, 2006 at 03:37 PM

When are Christians stop shoving their belief's into my governments Laws?

[JD]

Why do people fight MOSTLY in the name of religion? No religion, and I mean ABSOLUTELY no religion teaches violence. There are good Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and there are bad.
If we only made an effort to find out about each other, we will find out that at the end of the day, each one has the same principles. We all want to be happy, eat, live.. and most importantly respect each other's differences.
God Bless us all.

[political junkie]

Stated beautifully and right on point JD.

God Bless you as well.

Love,
Proud Muslim American

I really am not sure if the Christian religious leaders had swors in their hands when they called for the crusade that killed everything human or living thing in their way.
Also to this other person who is asking "How tough you Muslim men really are" I would say, Luckily the Muslim people are not like you otherwise they would ask all Americans "WHY?" when an American beats his wife, when a woman is raped here, or when someone is shot and killed in the streets of America.

I just read the statements by Mary Ann Hogan and can only ask... "is she nuts? does she have Alzheimer's?" What a biggoted, hateful woman. She and her husband need to be kicked out of the Republican Executive Committee, I don't care if they did start it up in the '60s. These kind of statements are reprehensible and should not be tolerated. Jeb was right to condemn these remarks, but he shold have snatched Hogan off the Couty Commission the same day. I don't care how much longer he had to serve.

Brown-Waite is a drukerd old hag...

I can't believe all the idiots on here. Look at the real problems in the world what (excluding a retarded midget) is the link between all the unrest in the world???? Islam.
Why the heck can't people state facts anymore screw emotions if you have a problem with them fix yourself and your people and if you aren't one of them quit apologizing and defending them they have shown they have no problem doing it. It's these same cowards who defend everyone else but their country and the only people that will ever protect them. They will end up putting us all in danger at some point. There ancestors have to be so disappointed all that they went through for us to have this great country (no matter which party is in charge) and these idiots do all they can to put us below everyone else. Being better is a good thing accept it! Be an example make other people be better don't make excuses for them.

Thanks for the comments Ginny, you old gin dragon. Have another drink!

[Sanity]

To those saying "Christians shouldn't back down from Muslims" and such things:

Islam is not the terrible religion you take it to be from the highly selective media you watch and read. One-fifth of humanity claims Islam as its faith. Do you rally think they/we are all "out to get you"?

I don't look at the slave trade, the entire colonial age, the Crusades and the Inquisition, the genocide in Rwanda, and World Wars I & II (including the Holocaust and the dropping of the atom bomb), all of which make up some of the greatest atrocities of human history, and draw the conclusion that just because Christians were the primary political and military minds and actors behind them (and some of them were perpetrated in the name of Christianity with official church backing), that therefore Christianity is inherently evil. I don't look at the actions of countless Catholic priests and think it would be OK to publish cartoons of Jesus Christ having sex with children to make the point that pedophilia is somehow inherent to Christianity. I don't do these things because I know enough about Christianity and Christians to make distinctions and have no interest in defiling a religion and global population for which I have developed respect. You may feel that Muslims need to do more within their/our own communities. Many of us do. But there is an onus on you too, and especially on our religious and political leaders, to not truck in blatant racism and then justify it by saying "I reflect the views of many". Well so did Hitler.

Please, for the sake of all of us, do some more thinking. Because if you want to compare historical records of brutality, misogyny, and forced conversions, you will not like how adherents of Christianity will compare to adherents to Islam.

[goddess7]

LOOK AGAIN FOR THE "LINK" BETWEEN ALL THE UNREST IN THE WORLD..PERHAPS YOU ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOT OF ALL.
Bush, the great born-again Christian who consulted Jesus with his war
plans, is presiding over the death of Christianity in Iraq. Christian
refugees are fleeing to Syria and Lebanon in vast numbers. Their
churches are being burned, and their priests are being murdered.
Iraq's one million Christians -- who have survived on that land for
2,000 years -- are in mortal peril. Bush's war has made that happen.

Good for her. In this country you do not have the right to not be offended. If CAIR doesn't like a statement made by someone in a public forum, they have a right to plead their case accordingly. To seek condemnation by our politicians is a joke, and frankly I am ashamed of any politician who folds to the pressure exerted by what is, in fact, a special interest group.

It is the people like Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite and those who agree with her that are at the heart of the terrorism problem in the world. When will these people learn that hate only begets hate? We can do with little compassion in this troubled world

[Melissa Durbin]

Good for Ginny Brown-Waite. If Muslims were truly worried about their image they would be working on it. But instead they too cow-tow to the terrorist.

[George Powell]

Do you people even listen to yourselves? You hypocrites accuse others of hypocrisy. I hate to be the one to say it but the truth is indiscriminate, and it doesn't care whether or not you want to hear it.

I can't understand people who roast someone for stating an obvious truth just because offending people is politically incorrect. Sometimes the truth offends, I'm sorry you have to hear that. Ginny is only saying what most Americans feel about Islam. Now, I won't stereotype people, but the only example we've had to go on in this country of Muslim extremists is that of mindless killing and violence.

Tell me, were you people not angered by 9/11? Stop expecting everyone to think the way you do, because it's not only ignorant but it's pointlessly stupid.

[jackie]

Three cheers for Ginny. It's about time somebody stands up for the rights of ALL Americans to speak their own opinion in public without fear of retribution. What good is a constitution that only stands up for the rights of special interest groups? If you don't like the Hogan's opinion, TOUGH! I don't like yours!

[Just Look at Her]

Her face is hideous, just like her beliefs. No need to waste your time with these ugly republicans. Their beliefs always mimic their face.

[Sanity]

George Powell:

It's not about expecting someone to think like me. It's about me and others not cowtowing to others' bigotry by apologizing for our faith. I don't ask others to do it and if others ask me to do it I am not going to humor them by being bashful. I will stick back in their faces that such a shallow read on why people attack us is part of the problem and is the kind of htinking that gets us into unrelated and unnecessary wars like Iraq.

Are there extremists in Muslim societies? Yes. Are there a larger percentage in that community than in those of other faith communities? I don't think so. You may think there are, but it is for that reason that I point out the much greater violence committed by Christians - not to indict Christianity, but to point out that you have to go to a deeper level if you are serious about dealing with this problem.

If we have a shared concern to be a safer country and to counter extremism, then we need to know why it is coming from the places it is. If your argument is that Islam as a faith is the problem, you will pursue certain policies. If you think the problem is not the faith, but is a range of unresolved political grievances widely felt across the Muslim world (Israel-Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan for which many hold the US largely responsible) combined with bad political leadership in many Muslim countries that has nothing to do with Islam but is opening the door to all kinds of extremists to manipulate people's grievances and use religion fraudulently, then you will pursue other policies. The latter understanding stands a much greater chance of leading to policies that will prevent future attacks, but if you want to stick to the former, and apply a standard to Islam that you would never apply to any other community, go right ahead. You can go on thinking that it is good to "offend Muslims" by telling us that our religion is violent and evil. I think that is about as relevant as a KKK activist telling African Americans that they are "inferior" and defending a politician's right to use the "n" word in referencing them because he believes they are responsible for all the crime in the US. In other words, you absolutely have a right to make and defend bigoted remarks, but don't expect Muslims like those at CAIR to stop saying that it is you, and not they, who don't understand what American principles and values are all about.

And what about the above makes you think anyone was not angered by 9/11? On the contrary, some of us are trying to get to the bottom of it rather than give in to the most shallow and hateful interpretations.

[John]

Read the Koran. It does say several times that Infedels must die. Now this Religion is Based on the Koran, which is the literal word of God. Let's just admit the God's of Zues and Apollo are no different than Jesus or Allah.

[Mother]

Jackie and Melissa - as Americans we have done hateful things to the rest of humanity. Look around us and if we a black person next to us, lets do some soul searching. Think some more and we will see what we did in Veitnam. Again some more and we will see what we did in So. America. And then think again...... I am not proud of all of this so I dont want to list it. And that does not mean Milissa or Jackie or I are also bad, even though as a nation our country did it.
I travelled out of the country for the first time and I tell you, I am not so proud to be an American.
Lets first free ourselves of evils before we start defiling ohters.

[CJ]

Has anybody read the Koran?
It is what it is. Taken literally, it
calls for the deaths of Infidels, that being most of us.
Can anybody correct me? The passages seem pretty forthright to me.

[Paul D. Harvill]

Tom Hogan?

The same Tom Hogan who used to be an assistant state attorney?

Now a county commissioner?

[independent]

Hello,

After reading everone's comments I could not help remember how this country felt about African Americans not to long ago. Even educated people called them stupid and thought them somehow inferior and evil. Remember those days?
Seems like we are doing the same thing now to Muslims. I'm sure one day we will look back and won't believe what we as a country got away with saying about these people who probably feel their relgion was hijacked by terrorists and will remain the real victims along with the dead of the sept 11th attacks. Let us learn from History and not repeat the same mistakes. There are good and bad people of all faiths, let us not forget that. Let us not brand all members of a group or faith evil based on the actions of a few. Again history has taught us what could happen when we do that,remember the holocaust?
Peace,
independent

[Gene]

Yes, I have read the Koran several times and wish I could spend more time on it, I would like to read it more. Yes, it does talk about killing the infidels, but if you read its reference in another portion, it is a command by God to the people that were abused by the non believers. And in most places, it is followed by something like, "but forgiving is better for you" or "leav them to the judegement of God is better".
One really needs to study it in depth. It is awesome book, I have found nothing else like it. Quoting any portion of the book does not work. I studied the life of their prophet too. you almost have to read the koran alongside the life of Mohammed, for it to make sense, unless you were born Muslim and know everything about him.

Sanity/445,

Abu, now it is time for you to come down off your high horse. Surely you jest? I stand by my statements.

Muslims are the ones calling for forced conversion, death or head tax. Islam is the religion which wanted to put an Afgan to death recently for converting to Christian. Islam is the one who has killed defenseless nuns and priests most recently. Islam is the one whose clerics abuse young men in madrasas in Pakistan. Islam is the one who forces woman to cover head to toe, or get beaten by the religion police.

You current crop of leaders are a far cry from Jinnah. He is probably rolling over in his grave.

Jihad is terrorism. Groups like Jaish-e Mohammad is terrorism. The MMA is terrorism. Islam is quickly becoming terrorism.

Tolerance toward you in Christian lands. Intolerance toward us in Islamic lands.

You can open a mosque in down town St. Peter, but I am not so sure I would be too welcome to open a Christian Church in Saudi or Pakistan's NWFP. Am I right or wrong? Yes, I am right and you full well know it.

[Gene]

Yes, I have read the Koran several times and wish I could spend more time on it, I would like to read it more. Yes, it does talk about killing the infidels, but if you read its reference in another portion, it is a command by God to the people that were abused by the non believers. And in most places, it is followed by something like, "but forgiving is better for you" or "leav them to the judegement of God is better".
One really needs to study it in depth. It is awesome book, I have found nothing else like it. Quoting any portion of the book does not work. I studied the life of their prophet too. you almost have to read the koran alongside the life of Mohammed, for it to make sense, unless you were born Muslim and know everything about him.

[Renee]

Maybe those at CAIR should be apologizing:

Omar Ahmad
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
A Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

Ibrahim Hooper
CAIR Spokesperson

"CAIR does not support these groups publicly."
(Hooper comments on CAIR's record of supporting Hamas, Hezbullah and other official terrorist groups)

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

[Sanity]

On Renee:

Thanks for posting the selective quotes from the Omar Ahmed. I see that in addition to being a Muslim, he is the CEO of a tech company. By the logic some of youa re using here, I think this should lead us all to consider what an insidious and hateful place is Silicon Valley. In fact, I think the entire tech sector is the spawn of evil and we should all have a right to degrade, debase, and villify anyone who has led one of those companies. I feel dirty even touching my computer as I type this.

And speaking of selective quoting and religious texts, I can quite easily quote you from Old Testament and New multiple excerpts that exhort God's followers to kill infidels, that God (Yahweh) is like a tornado leading the way in front of Hebrew armies, etc. etc. I can also quote from all 3 holy texts (the Quran included now) to make each faith sound as if violence is anathema to everythig they stand for. Selective quoting is not a way to understand faiths and the Quran is simply not any more violent in what is presented therein than are the Old or New Testaments.

[Deborah]

Ann Coulter speech -10/9/2003
20 years of relentless attacks on America by Muslim Extremists.Some blame religious extremists of any stripe. The Amish have been very quiet lately.
Sept.11,2001- 3000 Americans slaughtered on our own soil by Muslim Extremists.
Oct.2000- USS Cole our warship attacked by Muslim Exremists.
1998- US Embassy in Kenya & Tansania were attacked by Muslim Extremists.
1996- US AirForce housing complex in Saudi Arabia attacked by Muslim Extremists.
1995- 5 Americans killed in car bombs set by Muslim Extremists.
1993- World Trade Center bombed by Muslin Extremists.
1988- Pan Am flght. #103 bombed by Muslim Extremists.
1986- W.Berlin Disco-tec frequented by US airmen bombed by Muslim Extremists,
1983-US Marine barracks blown up in Beruit by Muslim Extremists.
1982- US Embassy Beruit blown up by Muslim Extremists.
1979- US Embassy seized in Tehran takes Ameican hostages for 444 days by Muslim Extremists. Muslims are responsible for 100% of the attacks in the last 20 yrs.
Therefore when there is a 100% chance it ceases to be a profile...It is called a DESCRIPTION OF THE SUSPECT!
Wake Up America. They hate us and want us dead.

It's a shame that such idiots can be elected to Congress. Stupid representatives for the idiots who elect them.

[GROWITNHINGS]

Ginny has always been a self serving, two faced liar who speaks out of 85 sides of her mouth at one time.

She told me the reason her medical benifits are better than medicare's is that she is a government employee. Yet why should she get rx's for $5 for 3 months when she voted to give medicare rx program that is far more expensive to us, than hers. Who died and made her GOD. She makes enough to pay for her OWN MED INS AND NOT BE ON THE GOVERNEMNT DOLE FOR FREE MED INS!

She also voted to ease the rules so that Tom Delay would not get kicked out of congress for breaking the law.

She has produced vertulay no bilss in congress, HOWEVER SHE DID VOTE TO SUPPORT THE WAR WITHOUT CHECK IF THERE WAS CORRECT INTEL.

BEST OF ALL SHE VOTED FOR THE CHANGE TO FREEDOM FRIES, SHE VOTED TO ONLY HAVE TO WORK IN DC FOR 9 DAYS. SHE NEEDS TO BE KICK IN HER KISTER AND BOOTED OUT OF DC.

Ken Mehlman is quitting his post as Republican National Chairman, in the aftermath of his party's disastrous showing in this week's elections. The news also came just a day after Mehlman was outed as gay on CNN's Larry King Live. Maryland Lieutenant Governor and former State GOP Chair Michael Steele -- who lost a run for an open US Senate seat this year -- is already being mentioned as a frontrunner to replace Mehlman.

Thank You, Representative Brown-Waite for having the backbone to speak the truth and seeing this "Religion" for what it is - A belief full of hate and violence, not only of those who do not endorse their belief but also against women who are viewed and treated like chattel.

[Judy]

Read the BIBLE much? Yeah-there is sure some warm fuzzy sentiments in the Old testament when calling for the death of everyone and thing the Israelites come up against.

Get over it.Terrorists support their own twisted agenda and are not posterboys(or girls) for any religion.

No one here talks about Christian terrorists because they are EDUCATED enough about Christianity to realized that the terrorist who happens to be Christian does not reflect the views of the Christian mainstream.

Muslims died in 9/11 too. Both in the towers and as first responders. The Muslim community has comdemned terrorism since day one but bigots ignore this because it does not fit in with what they want to be true.That Islam and Muslims are not about terrorism.

And PUBLIC SERVANTS like politicians need to get a clue that the represent ALL the people,not just the ones they want too.There is no room in public office for bigots. If the same comments had been made and race(say African American or Hispanic) replaced the religion, the whole country would be calling for a resignation.

What a nasty, cantankeorus cunt!

[Danette Zaghari-Mask]

Sadly, every generation for countless generations has witnessed the skewed, bigoted, fiery speech of politicians such as Ms. Brown-Waite. The subjects may change but the manipulation tactics remain. Ms. Brown-Waite is only taking her place in the long line of perpetrators.
That will be her legacy.

Cmon everyone, Islam is a peaceful religion that just happens to want all believers of other faiths to die. lol

And don't make me cite inspirational (and psychotic) religious leaders and fatwas that have decreed this.

[politicalspectator]

The Koran has a typo. It is meant to say death to all "in federal".

Isn't "Koran" that really cool cookware with the blue flowers on it from the '80's?

Islam… your favorite meat or do you like steak?

[The Chosen One]

I've noticed that those calling Islam a hateful religion, or claims that it preaches death and such...

...are all uneducated.

They haven't taken a course in religion, haven't taken ANY post-secondary courses in general...and haven't done any research.

This Congresswoman's remarks are odd because I thought she did complete high school (unlike Mary Ann Hogan). And so for someone with a high school education to agree with something so stupid...it's bizarre.

Please, Ginny does not do anything without a political reason. She could care less about anything but herself. I remember her in the Fl senate, what a fench rider. She is so full of crap.

HOLY WAR! DEATH TO ANYONE WHO DOESN'T CONVERT TO CHRISTIAN! LET'S GET IT ON ABU!

[Achin]

JD wrote here: "No religion, and I mean ABSOLUTELY no religion teaches violence".
This is simply not true, and is the kind of naiveté that makes the Muslim terrorists smile. Read the Quran. Just open pages randomly if you haven't the time to read it all. Violence and hatred are on virtually every page. The THEME of Islam is hate and violence. Read, then come back here and say again what you said above. Once ignorant, twice a liar.

[Mallow]

Just about everyone is missing an essential point. She was not criticising all muslims, she was criticising CAIR. CAIR has well-known ties to Hamas. CAIR has not been a constructive force. She is well within her rights to criticize them.

[Mike Trivisonno]

Read some of Robert Spencer's books. Read the Koran. Read some history books.

Objective, cold, hard facts condemn the actions of muslims and the islam that they spread. Islam destroyed the pre-islamic culture in Arabia, forcing all the Jews and Christians and pagans to flee of live in dhimmitude.

[Mike Trivisonno]

Mohammed himself urged, condonded, and even produced "revelations" that permitted followers of islam to lie, usurp, and destroy any culture that existed prior to their ascendency.

[Mike Trivisonno]

Once Mohammud and his followers took over Arabia, they looked toward Persia and Byszantium. The muslims have been spreading islam through violence ever since.

[Mike Trivisonno]

One only need look around the globe to witness first hand the blood soaked trail of islam and the muslims that spread it.

[Mike Trivisonno]

Look to Beslan were muslims slaughter hundreds on children.

[Mike Trivisonno]

Or perhaps Thailand were peaceful Bhuddist monks are routinely slaughtered for allah.

[Mike Trivisonno]

How about New York City where muslims slaughtered thousands of Americans by flying airplanes into the Twin Towers.

[Bartman]

Kudos Congresswoman, for standing up and calling BS on CAIR. The 1st Amendment is absolute, and is incompatible with Shari'a and the wants of CAIR and their supporters.

[Jeanne]

Long live the Constitution of the United States of America, and long live the First Amendment!

And by the way, this same Constitution trumps Sharia law....

[Finally]

Congresswoman Brown-Waite, thank you for having the courage to speak the truth. For far too long, leaders have bent over backwards for members of a hateful religion that calls for the deaths of infidels (9:5, 8:12 - 14, 9:29), whose religious teachings instruct it's followers not to befriend Christians and Jews (quran 5:051 - 52) and preaches dominance over other religions (9:33, 2:193).

CAIR has long ties to terrorist organizations and several of it's former leadership are serving time in prison for such terrorist ties.

Sweeping the truth under the rug for the sake of political correctness will not serve our country well. We have France, Germany and especially the UK as prime current examples of how the policy of political correctness serves to destroy countries.

Muslims should stop complaining when the Kuffar "finally get it" and stand up to call it like it is. If Muslism need something to be concerned about, rather than seethe and complain about the truth being exposed, they should setup charities for all the Christians being slaughtered by Muslims in Darfur. They should setup charities to help the Jewish people being slaughtered in Israel by thugs who've been taught their reward for doing such is 72 virgins.

Thank you Congresswoman, for NOT taking the least path of resistence and taking a stand for the truth.

[jd]

A tree is known by the fruit it bears. Islam births terror. It's "friendly, peaceful" inhabitants invite Osama home for dinner before he goes out to kill in the name of his terrible religion. There is not much good about islam as the pope has stated. They can not support Israel, they abuse their women, they can not live in equal societies. If you are a muslim you are part of the problem and you are better off converting to a more peaceful religion. Try being Amish. They show the true courage of religion.

[Ann]

..."Posted by: paul | November 09, 2006 at 03:37 PM

When are Christians stop shoving their belief's into my governments Laws?"....

You have got to be kidding me! Look at all of our founding documents. Our law is based on the Judeo-Christian philosophy. That statement just goes to show how public school has failed miserably.

[doug]

She seems like a wise person. This CAIR leader seems like a true dumbass.

[Jeanne]

It is true that all religions have adherents who do evil things. However, it is important to remember every religion should ultimately be judged by the worthiness of its founder. The difference between Jesus Christ and Mohammed is the difference of infinity. Furthermore, one is still in the grave, and the other one is not.

"Follow a dead Savior, and you'll end up just like him." (Lon Solomon, Senior Pastor, McLean Bible Church)

[AMeyers]

You gotta love those folks who site the Crusades as those evil christianists persecuting those poor Muslims. The Crusades were attempts to take back the holy land from the Muslims who ruthlessly conquered them.

You folks ever wonder where the middle east would be if they didn't live over all that oil... that's right stuck in the same 8th century when Mohammed recruited his first crew of thugs and began threatening his neighbors with "join or die". What has Islam contributed to the world in culture or technology? Oh sorry the Arabs did come up with "zero", but that was before Muslims began cutting people's heads off for independent thought.

Finally, why set up a charity for the Christians in Darfur... they're all dead. It's only a cause celeb now because all the Christians are dead and the Arab Muslims are killing all the African/Black Muslims. Where were you Oprah when the Christians were being murdered? You didn't give a shit then but you do now?

[Jeanne]

Well said, AMeyers!

Christianity had a Reformation; Islam did not. The time for reform in Islam is long past due.

If the world of Islam is still angry about the Christian Jihads, popularly known as "The Crusades", then Islam is not a religion of peace, but one of revenge and bloodshed. This is, in fact, being proven every day. More human beings have been murdered in the name of Islam, and more Muslims have been murdered by other Muslims than those killed by the Crusaders.

[Missourimama]

To the followers of Islam, truth hurts.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

[Ronsbloviating]

As someone who has not only taken, but taught world religions (on the BA level) Islam is particularly peaceful. While living in South Africa (Cape Town) where there was a sizable population, tolerance was not respected, and terrorism on the rise (PAGAD and Quibla).

Muhammed liked war, and the Koran and hadith advocate violence.

Notice that many of the most radical Muslims are the better educated. Imams, students, who realize that jihad is violent. Fatwas are not produced by the man on the street, but the religious elite.

Hats off to Ginny.

BTW, LGF has linked here so the CAIR trolls have lost this battle.

[EZinSF]

It's about time someone called a spade a spade.

Brown-Waite's got some huevos and, apparently, isn't afraid of thugs.

Just wish there were more of her around....at least in DC.

[Ronsbloviating]

Islam is particularly peaceful.

correction:
...isn't particularly peaceful.

[Charles Martel]

Floridians should be extremely proud to have Ginny Brown-Waite as a Congresswoman. She recognizes CAIR for what it is--a terrorist supporting organization! Also, she is supporting one of the most important questions of our time: freedom of expression which she clearly understands. The West should never cave into pressure from societies or cults with a medieval mindset--ISLAM.

Both Senator Durbin and Senator Schumer have publicly stated that CAIR has links to terrorist groups. Last I checked, neither were part of the BusHitler Zionist conspiracy:

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

[Bwad]

Right on EZinSF... so many Muslims are two-bit violent thugs. It reminds me in of the scene from Goodfellas where Henry says someone did something for him out of "respect." Thugs confuse fear with respect. Islam is by far the least-respected religion out there today... but appropriately feared.

[lync]

Wish she was my congresswoman. She expressed the truth...in the US one of our constitutional rights is freedom of speach. CAIR was wrong to call for apologies and condemnation. This political correctness is going way to far.

We have relegion on our shores with a component in it that thinks slaughtering innocent people because they disagree with them or don't embrace their ways is okay. We have immans of this relegion spreading this hatred...and yet a congresswoman is not allowed to call them on their duplicity?

Watch out who you defend...someday you may well find those rights that our forefathers fought for and today's military continue to fight for are gone. Remember the head of CAIR has stated that his dream is some day all of the US will fall under Sheria' law.

[Dreamer]

Radical Islam is a totalitarian movement disquised as a religion.

[Jen06]

JD said: No religion, and I mean ABSOLUTELY no religion teaches violence.

Providing you believe that islam is actually a religion, ponder these:

# Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
# War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not.
# Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars.
# Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
# Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers.
# Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah.
# How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.
# If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.
# Allah has destroyed many generations.
# Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom.

ummm, sounds a little violent to me....

[Richard]

True Islam is not a religion, it's a cult concocted by a false prophet who relied on his charisma, cunning, and luck to unite bands of poor ignorant Arabs, then spread itself rapidly across the known world by violent, merciless conquest. It receded only temporarily during periods of weakness, and now is riding high on oil revenues and world ignorance to finish the task of world subjugation mandated by Muhammed in the Qur'an. Any Muslim promising peace prior to the completion of Islam's domination of the earth is either ignorant, a liar, or is not a true Muslim. Islam is the death knell of human civilization, and CAIR is a cancer in our midst.

[Bryan O]

Unfortunately the Congresswoman didn't go far enough with her comments about CAIR. Besides their support for terrorist, their failure to register as "foriegn agents" and activism to implement sharia in America. They just happen to be the front for the "muslim brotherhood" in America. But to top it off the "mainstream media" could CAIRless!

[Toonman]

Way to go Ginny! Maybe more of our elected officials will take notice.

[USPoeticJustice]

More people in Congress need to take this approach toward CAIR. They are bad news for this country, for both conservatives and liberals.

Islam is a violent belief system, period. It has been since Muhammad and his forty or so caravan raiders, rapists, and beheaders began their infamous campaign nearly 1400 years ago.

Several of CAIR's high ranking officers are now serving prison time or have been deported because of their involvement in terror and fraud activity.

Yes, the Bible certainly contains violent content. However, Christians aren't the ones running loose swinging machetes. They are not rioting, setting cars on fire, burnng buildings, and attacking innocent people.

Not all Muslims are bad people. However, CAIR and others who compare what those in the Islamic world are doing to Tim McVeigh, who by the way never claimed to have done his dirty deed in the name of Christianity, and a loon named Eric Rudolph has has been condemned by all who are sane, should be put in their place, just as this congresswoman did with Akmed Bedier.

Bedier is a jackass.

CAIR is comprised of an arrogant band of candy ass trouble makers and should be ousted for the common good. To Muslims whose feelings are so apparently fragile, if you live in America, mates, you have many rights, but you don't have the right to not be offended.

Thicken your skin or take a long boat ride back to where you originate from. This country has survived for 230 years without any contributions from Islam, and it will continue to survive. Stop playing victim.

[Jen06]

Sanity says: "...that I point out the much greater violence committed by Christians..."

Doesn't seem to me that Christians are the ones flying planes into buildings and beheading people all the while shouting Allahu Akbar. I, as a Christian, was taught to love my neighbor as myself.

And Mother - your speech does not mark you as a native American. Where are you really from?

[adela doberman]

For all you morons out there criticizing the congresswoman,before you open your mouth,read the koran!
Read the hadiths.
Read the sunas.
Read what the terrorists themselves say and see for yourselves how they murder people around the globe,on a daily basis,in France,Holland,Germany,Spain,Britain,Russia,the Phillippines,Thailand,Sudan,holding a koran in one hand and a bomb in the other,while chanting "allahu akhbar".
Read about the "honor killings",the genital mutilation,the beheadings,the stonings,the killings of homosexuals,the hangings of those who want to leave islam.
If this is what you want here in the US,then prepare to convert to islam,to give up alcohol,music,dancing,and any other form of civilized life and buy a prayer rug for yourselves and burqas for your wives.

For those defending Islam so ardently, please give the rest of us one example of an industrialized, democratic Moslem nation somewhere in the world? No wonder so many Moslems must hate Israel - where people can freely practice religion and make a good living too. Face it, without oil the entire Islamic world would live at standards similar to Bangladesh.

12:39 - Hey come now, those Muslim women need to wear the burqas since their so darn ugly. Double them up ladies!

When CAIR makes a serious effort to destroy those who wish to intimidate and perhaps kill me and mine in the name of CAIR's religion, it will have my respect.
Until then, CAIR can go f itself. Seriously, how stupid do you think we are?

Kudos to the Congresswoman.

[Informed]

For those of you who believe that no religion preaches violence, research Islam. Learn the words of the Friday prayer. Learn the Islamic belief concerning dealing with infidals. Learn the the teachings of mahomad concerning deception to promote your beliefs. Learn the Islamic law concerning convertion to christiananity ( DEATH ). Islam is is not a Religion of peace, but a cult created by a false Prophet.

[Informed]

For those of you of the religion of peace, do not try to silence me. I am a strong proponent of the Second Amendment.

[herself]

Horray for Ginny Brown-Waite. CAIR has threatened so many people with law suits over freedom of speech just because they don't like what someone says? Anti-Cair was sued by CAIR but CAIR dropped the law suit at the last minute for fear of their records being subpoenaed into court. They are hiding something big and they need to be busted. The next person they try to sue should not allow them to drop their law suit. Get it all out in the courts…They are hiding their terrorists activity…There have been quite a few people inside CAIR busted for terrorism…Visit the ANTI-CAIR site if you don‘t believe me.

[kptivan]

Congratulations Ginny Brown-Waite. I had begun to believe the American people were allowing islam, the most intolerant and evil cult in history, to roll over them and send us all back to the stone age.

I have just completed a survey of all civilisations since 3500 BCE and the total time in years excluding islam is approximately 30,820 years. islam is approximately 1960 years. this give the intolerant, brutal cult 6 SIX percent of history. www.timelines.info/history. Have a look and do your own sums!

And they demand we respect their 'sensibilities??' islam should apologize to history, the present and the future for what they have done and think they will do now and in time.

In their attempts to destroy all before them, they have to date failed to destroy Hinduism despite over 80 million Hindus murdered by islam, failed to destroy Buddhism, the 'Saturday and Sunday' peoples, Jews and Christians despite all of the ruined churches and synagogues in Kosovo and elswhere in history.

This 'religion' theocracy has tried ceaselessly since its inception to conquer and ruin by declaring war on all non-muslim lands, ie,land of peace, land of war, those countries that are not islamic must be in a state of war.

Simply put, islam therefore is permanently at war with non-muslims. Chapter nine, verse five koran allows ANY ambush to defeat infidels. (helped along with the other 163 jihad verses) All peace verses were abrogated.

Just as simply, to defeat islam, non-muslims must declare war on islam to equal the equation, so we can identify the enemy and arrest the left for treason!!!

The infiltration of the West is the third attempt to conquer and destroy us.

Unless we equalize the equation and declare war on islam, we may not be so lucky this time around. Unless we support Ginny and her ilk, we better dust off and reread the 20 points of the 'pact of umar'. OR, die fighting.

Who founded CAIR? Where do they get their money to finance their operations? How much of that money comes from outside the US? If you don't know the answers to these questions, Google and Wikipedia can help. Open your eyes America, these people don't want to be your neighbors.

[Missy]

Freedom of speech in action! If the muslims don't like it....tough!

[Fran]

My negative opinions about the islamic faith didn't come about through the American media. In fact, the American media seems to go out of its way to exclude cold hard facts about islam and the terror that is being done in the name of this religion. I get my information on the internet from average people all over this world. People telling their stories about the evils that have been done onto them. People in Darfur, Sudan, Philippines, Australia, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Great Britain, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel. All of these countries have one thing in common and that is islamic terrorism. Time to start facing facts folks. Islam is here and they are itching for a fight!

[MNN]

Did anyone see the chorus of "Allahu Akhbar!" being shouted during a victory speech by a muslim who was just elected to the United States Congress? I can see the writing on the wall and I wish more could see it as well.

[Mike]

Islam is no religion of peace in fact it is no religion at all...try reading this...http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam_myths.html it's kind of long but worth the reading...If Islam is a religion of peace, then dynamite are nothing but candles

[omvi]

It was very refreshing to read that a politician (Brown-Waite) had the courage to publically rebuke an organization (Cair) whose membership is dedicated to the imposition of sharia here in the USA.

When I started reading this thread there were a large number of apologists claiming islam was a religion of peace. Where did they go all of a sudden? Don't they care to debate and dialogue with the infidel?

I'm referring to the likes of PoliticalJunkie, Danette, Judy, Sanity, Gene, Mother, JD, KB, Vtopa, Musa, Growitnhings, Just Look at Her, and The Chosen One. Did I forget anyone?

[Jack Burton]

Like it or not, over 90% of all acts of terrorism in this day in age are carried about by muslims in the name of islam. Spare me all the liberal contempt for those who call a spade a spade. If you don't want to be seen as a religion of terror, stopped committing terror in the name of your religion.

CAIR, with numerous current and ex-members convicted of terrorism charges is a subersive and terrorist funded agency. Don't forget that post 9-11 their website had a link to donate to victims of 9-11 only to be directed to the Holy Land Foundation, which was subsequently closed down due to funding terror activities.

The arrogance and stupidity of those who give a blanket pass to muslims is going to get us all killed.

[Al Saheed Al Kuffar]

"Where did they go all of a sudden? Don't they care to debate and dialogue with the infidel?

I'm referring to the likes of PoliticalJunkie, Danette, Judy, Sanity, Gene, Mother, JD, KB, Vtopa, Musa, Growitnhings, Just Look at Her, and The Chosen One. Did I forget anyone?"

They all ran into the hills, Bedier will give them a sermon there about taqqiya :-)

[RickZ]

JD said: "No religion, and I mean ABSOLUTELY no religion teaches violence."

I guess you've never read/heard of Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel, or Wafa Sultan. These are 'insiders' who know the real deal, not the PC 'islam is a religion of peace' crapola.

MNN wrote: "Did anyone see the chorus of "Allahu Akhbar!" being shouted during a victory speech by a muslim who was just elected to the United States Congress? I can see the writing on the wall and I wish more could see it as well."

Yes, I saw that, and the reporter went out of her way to say that it means 'God is great', which is PC liberal-speak. It means "Allah is greatest," and, like shari'a, is a direct threat to our hard-fought for democratic principles.

And good for Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite. It's about time our politicians started speaking the truth about the death cult known as islam.

[adela doberman]

There have been 6,521 attacks throughout the world,against christians,budhists,hindus and jews, since 9/11/01 until today (11/11/06),all of them perpetrated by muslims... If you believe islam is a religion of peace,just ask Theo Van Gogh`s family about his horrible death,in Amsterdam.
http://www.jihadwatch.com
http://www.dhimmiwatch.org
http://www.acage.com
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.france-echos.com

[adela doberman]

http://www.acage.org
and many,many others.

[Robert]

Dear Vtopalli,

Tried to respond to your posting, but being the coward you and your muslim fiends are the e-mail address was fake. There is a Catholic elem. school in my neighborhood, perhaps you, the prophet and your allah would like to behead a few more little girls. What a farce, islam a regigion of peace. You can take your prophet and allah and shove them up a pigs ass and perhaps you should follow. Oh, what I just said is an exercise in free speach, something that does not exist in your world.

[adela doberman]

Do you want to know more about CAIR??!
One of CAIR`s founders,Omar Ahmad told a reporter:"Islam is not in America to be equal to any other religion,but it has to become the dominant religion,the only religion and the koran the highest authority in the land"
Ibrahim Hooper,a spokesperson for CAIR told a reporter,on national tv that he hopes one day America will be an islamic state.
Ayan Hirsi Ali,a member of the duch parliament had to spend several months in hiding,under police protection,just because she dared criticizing islam...same for Gert Wildeers,another dutch parliamentary.
The jurnalists at the Jjyland Post in Denmark,the ones who published the Mohamad cartoons are still in hiding in their own country...the civilized world is losing its most precious asset,the freedom of speech.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org

[adela doberman]

You want to see some beheadings and stonnings,all perpetrated by the practitioners of the religion of peace,while chanting "allahu akhbar"??!!
Know your enemy!
www.michaelsavage.com
Tthe images are very graphic.

[adela doberman]

http://www.michaelsavage.com

[adela doberman]

An american muslim,of iranian origin,drives his suv into a crowd of students,all in the name of allah...
An american muslim of lebanese origin shoots 6 women at a jewish cultural center,also in the name of allah...
It is really a religion of peace...
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com

[adela doberman]

As we speak,there are thousands of practitioners of the religion of peace who are planning more killings,beheadings,bombings,etc...all in the name of allah.

[getrealnow4]

Posted by: political junkie | November 09, 2006 at 02:37 PM

You appear to be a radical reactionary. Your citiques of Rep. Waite indicate you have no tolerance for opposing opinion. Your critique of Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite's November 9, 2006 letter to Mr. Ahmed Bedier is non-sensical.

None of your points of contention are valid. The description of CAIR,
its attitudes as expressed by Mr. Bedier, and the expressed attitudes of
Islamic leaders in the political world(s) and their stated goals
regarding the United States of America are accurately presented in Ms.
Waite's letter.

The civil disorder, riots, and threats of violence conducted by
Muslim/Islamic terrorist in Europe are very concrete and well publicized
examples of Muslim/Islamic intolerance. They directly contradict the
premise that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. They contradict
the premise the an Islamic/Muslim government allows tolerance and
equality.

As for the timing of her letter, so what. It does not really matter when
the letter was written or the sequence of events that created the
necessity for the letter. The important point is that the letter was
required, was written, and well written. It is about time our
politicians started stand up to your goon squads.

Until I began to research Islam on the Internet and reading books of
Islamic history and analysis of the Quran I did not have firm opinions
regarding the validity of the claims and counter claims of the parties
in the many disputes in Europe and the Middle East. My overly simplified
conclusion is that Muslim history and philosophy is that of tribal
warfare conducted and hidden behind a religious banner.

[getrealnow4]

Posted by: Sanity | November 09, 2006 at 04:45 PM

I definitely prefer the adherants of non-Islamic religions to any thing I have read or heard about Islam. Your basic premise that we alll need to be more tolerant is good. However, your sell out to Isalm is not. The more I read about Islam and Muslims the less sympathic they become. This evaluation is based on information gather from innumerable web site around the world and reading books regarding Islam and Arabic history. At least 25% of the web sites I visit are Arabic and/or Islamic.

Islam as praticed and preach by the predominating Imams and political leadders is that of tribal warfare between themselves and against the world while hidding behand a religious banner, masks, and frequently women and children.

[BadLiberal]

Yay for Ginny!

Muslims do not have a right to not be offended. Last I checked, there were people bashing Christians, Jews, Buddhists, pagans, football players, Nascar fans, IRL fans, football fans, New Yorkers, Southerners, Californians, Texans, military personnel, Republicans and Democrats.

All of the above may have gotten offended at some point.

So if the Muslims get offended when people point out "gee, sure are a lot of Islamists blowing themselves up lately..." well... too freakin' bad. Get in line with the rest of the offended.

Well said BadLiberal

For those defending Islam so ardently, please give the rest of us one example of an industrialized, democratic Moslem nation somewhere in the world?
1.Most of these nations were build recently before then they were Occupied by western nations like the British or Dutch. An example is Saudia Arabia which was created in 1902 or Iraq which became a official country in 1979.
2.Some of them have the start of a democracy like Pakistan or Indonesia.They are not by western standards a full democracy but have some of the basic ideas like voteing

[Chris]

Islam is a religion of hate, and they continue to slowly take over the world.
Just to talk to some European's and see what Islam is doing to Europe, the same will happen here if we let it.
To the person who need's to even it all out. Tim McVeigh was a lowlife, but we was NOT told by his religion to do what he did. Muslim ARE!!
Who cares what offend's them,we cannot keep giving into their demand's. You dont see other religius group's acting like them. If they don't like here they can move to an Islamic country.

For the truth about CAIR.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

[N]

Stop makeing Islam your scapegoats for all of your mess. What is going on in iraq is not muslims or islam's fault Its yours. If i remember few years ago we invaded a country kicked out the goverment and now there is a resistance group trying to kick us out by gorilla warfare. There actions are based on the fact that they want to kick us out not convert everyone to islam.

[Wake up Americans.]

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was known to have started over 80 wars in his lifetime. He has killed men, women, and children. He has slit the throats of innocent people and enlsaved those he captured. Mohammed was known as a consumate warrior and butcher.

Then he wrote the Koran because he thought the voice of "god" was telling him what to write.

In today's day and age, if I butchered hundreds, maybe thousands of people and then told you that "God" was telling me to write a book.

What would you think of me?

[Wake up America!!]

To quote a site called thereligionofpeace.com

It's all about Iraq, isn't it?

Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment
of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

Islam is not a scapegoat for anyone's mess but the muslims themselves.

Wherever they go, war, civil unrest, and many times genocide follows.

Muslims, real muslims, are incompatible with the modern world.

You can not live like 472 A.D when it is 2006 A.D.

Muslim idiots have a hard time understanding that concept.

[Jesse Collins]

From out here in New Mexico, please select Florida Congressman Wait for the Republican Presidential nomination so that I and everyone I know can vote for her. We are sick and tired of the Viche supporters of Islamic Dhimmi and Al Taqiyya (Islamic war through lies in this instance representing themselves as an all peace religion in contravention of Islam's charter documentations: Koran, hadith, Sharia, Dhimmi guidelines). It does not take a genius to study jihad and get its unequivocal historic meaning which is ascendant today. Islam is a cult with two fronts, peace and horror. They incapacitate civilizations everywhere they go claiming innocense, but killing everything that moves. They have one directive that supersedes all others: kill everyone and everything that doesn't think and believe like Muhammad said to do. Congresswoman Wait for president of this countAy. What courage she has. and I detest, not hate, Islam without reservation or concern for Muslim constantly hurt feelings. Tell them to get therapy like everyone else to address feelings instead of repeatedly crying and whining about how tough life is as a member of a cult of heinous murderers. If they want an easy life, get out of the cult and quit trying to make us accept their unfortunate decisions to join it. With increasing distress over republicans who would threaten freedom of speech in order to defend this killer based organization of hate and murderous desires. Jesse Collins

[Barbara]

Dear "N", you really need to brush up on Islam. They hated us BEFORE we knocked out dear old innocent Saddam./snort They hate our way of life,(although that doesn't keep them from coming here), they hate our freedom, our prosperity, they certainly don't like the fact that some of us drink alcohol, dress immodestly, have foul mouths, watch R rated movies (like they don't). You know, we're the Big Satan. They want to streighten us up. If we don't want to streighten up, it's off with the head, dear. They come here insisting that we accomodate them and their "rules". They don't want to be Americans. They want to be Muslims IN America and enjoy our good life and expect US to toe-ho to them and their beliefs. They really think that their freedoms in America give them the right to demand that we do whatever they tell us to so as not to offend THEM and their beliefs. Got that? Oh, I have a headache.......

[Darren]

I see fools saying we need to be tolerant of Islam.

Tolerance of evil is a crime. Should we have been tolerant of Hitler, Mein Kampf, and his believers?

I do note that for a time we did try to appease the evil of Nazi Fascism, now many are trying to appease the evil of Islamic Fascism.

I see fools assert that Christianity is some how a greater threat or is just as assertive or violent as Islam.

What utter lunacy and one day these fools will be the first to cry out and the first to die if Islam takes over their lives and world. If they think Christianity is intrusive, they apparently have no clue just what Islam will do and plans to do.

As a Florida attorney, I applaud the Congresswoman and the Hogans. They spoke the truth. Islam is evil. It is both a religious and political tyranny. It is a culture of death and destruction. If Islam takes over Europe, it will plunge Europe into the Dark Ages and I'll be damned before I permit Islam to take over my country destroying my freedoms, my liberties, and my way of life.

But thank God we in this country have the 2nd amendment and Americans willing to fight when the time comes to rid our lands of this cancer.

[N]

WE CAN PLAY THE QUOTE STUFF WITH ANY HOLY BOOK game WITH any book THERE IS A DIFFRENCE QUOTEING STUFF BECAUSE YOU THINK IT SAYS Something AND UNDERSTANDING TIME REASON AND CONTEXT example..
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
Howe many people got BBQ because of that bible verse interpreted by ignorant christians.
And in the future read about the conflict before you name places…..
Palestine- Palestinians are fighting to get there own country(political fight)
Chechnya-Where they are fighting to get there own country(political)
And so on and so on. Just because it has Muslims doing the fighting does not make it a Muslim/Islamic fight . A gang war in NY does not make it a Christian fight just because the gang members happened to be Christian.

[kuffar]

"WE CAN PLAY THE QUOTE STUFF"

No one is playing. There is no "quote stuff" to play. There is no moral equivalence and seeking it to whitewash the truth is complicity. If you need to find something weak to compare it to, then you admit there is a problem in the first place.

There is NO excuse. Americans have woken up. Our eyes are wide open.

[Darren]

Amen kuffar.

N said: Palestine- Palestinians are fighting to get there own country(political fight)
Chechnya-Where they are fighting to get there own country(political)"

Well if you are NOT ignorant of the Quran and if you are NOT deaf to the decrees spoken by many in the Islamic faith, and if you are NOT ignorant what the violence of Islam against Christians throughout the Islamic "world" were there is no armed struggle, and if you are NOT ignorant of the history of Islam and the vows of dominations coupled with attempts, and if you are NOT ignorant of what is going on today with Europe coupled with demographics, then you are aware there is a World War of Western civilization against an evil Islamic onslaught that won't go away just because you remain to be ignorant.

By the way, no one is playing the "quote from text" game. Unlike Christians, Muslim are living out their violent verses. They know they are at war and many of us in the West are just too plain stupid not to realize it.

N said: "A gang war in NY does not make it a Christian fight just because the gang members happened to be Christian."

Yes, but if there were 1000's of these "gang wars" thoughout the world, with Christians beheading people around the globe, with Christians calling for Holy war, with Christians, burning down mosques, towns, and villages, with Christians attempting to FORCE their religion on people, with a Bible that forced all to believe, submit or die which is not what the Bible preaches, i.e. a Bible that preaches God gives us each a freewill and only ask that we "DECIDE" rather than "SUBMIT", with Christians saying we will DOMINATE YOU and a Bible that preached DOMINATION, with Christians rioting in Europe because a picture of Jesus was offending, with Christians planning to blow up planes, with Christians on two attempts to destroy the Twin Towers with the second one being successful, with Christians trying to impose the Levitical code on the world, with Christians cutting of the breasts of girls in front of their parents for being another faith and killing them all, then YES I would have to say we were in a Christian fight.

But just a brief scenario I gave above is FICTIONAL as to Christians, but not as to MUSLIMS. Muslims are doing these atrocities and much more.

But this is not a Christian fight; it is indeed a Muslim one. I don't hear people say they are intimidated by Christians, but I do hear alot of people say they are intimidated by Muslims. And with what I see going on around the world, they have GOOD REASON to be.

Great site that shows the overwhelming violence being done in the name of Islam around the world:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Another few good sites about Islam:

http://prophetofdoom.net/

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

[Darren]

On Iraq:

N said, "There actions are based on the fact that they want to kick us out not convert everyone to islam."

That is an absurd lie.

We haven't even left yet and the government does not want us to leave and ALREADY some in Iraq are declaring Iraq a "ISLAMIC STATE". Islam is political to its very core. It is tyranny. They are hell bent on coversion AND if you don't submit you become a second class citizen subject to persecution, beatings, burdonsome Islamic tax as an infidel, and/or death.

And if you happen to be a Muslim who coverts to Christianity, then they call for your death and that has already happened in Afghanistan where we haven't yet left.

N:

If you are an Islamic worshipper, then you worship a faith not of the TRUE GOD, but the "god" of this world, i.e. SATAN. Muhammad is in hell and without Christ you N will be there soon as well.

This is NOT a war against terror. Terrorism is just a means.

We ARE at WAR with ISLAM and people better begin to wake up and REALIZE it. Our liberties, our freedoms, our way of life, and Western civilization, depend on us to no longer delude ourselves as to what we really our facing. Islam the greatest threat we have faced in sometime. A threat greater than what Hitler posed.

[MNN]

To all the dhimmi appeasers out there. Al Quaeda is now vowing to blow up the White House even if we pull out of Iraq. Now I'm sure that thought brings tears of joy to your eyes due to the occupant of the White House, but once they've blown up the White House, you will be next. This is no longer a war against terrorism, it is a war against islam. I'll be damned if I am going to be a casualty!

Ginny, get off the computer. Stop forcing your staff to do your bidding for you. Even if you were right on target, I would never believe that you did it because of your beliefs. You only blow with the way the favorable wind is blowing. You are in fact, a teue politician. NEVER would I trust your motives. You may fool some of the people, but not for long.

[Peterk]

"CAIR makes it a great point to condemn each and every act of terrorism inflicted in the name of Islam. It is absolute ignorance to state otherwise. Pure and simple."

CAIR may make an effort to "condemn" acts of terrorism, but they also are read to cry "racism" or "bias" at every alleged wrong done against a Muslim. They believe in the Constitution only when it applies to them.

I salute the Congresswoman for saying what I believe a lot of Americans want said.

[Poste]

I've yet to ever see CAIR condemn persecution of Christians and other non-Muslims in Muslim dominated countries. Why are Christians emigrating from the Middle East in large quantities? Today's paper's carried an AP story that stated that the Holy Land may be devoid of Christians in just a few decades. Did CAIR condemn the desecration of the churches in the West Bank? Does CAIR condemn the actions taken against non-Muslims in Iraq?