RPOF's Greer flexes muscle, sparks fight

It seems RPOF chairman Jim Greer is wasting little time in exercising his power over local parties and GOP clubs. The Florida Republican Women's Network - formerly the Fl Federation of Republican Women, which is much more fond of former chair Carole Jean Jordan than Greer - was told Friday that Greer is insisting all Network clubs must apply for permission to operate as Republican clubs and could be stripped of the right to use "Republican" in their title without permission from local party officials.

FRWN President Anne Voss and National RWN President Judith Alertelli said in an e-mail they will "stand on principle" and continue to use the name "Republican" while maintaining independence from the party structure. "Anyone threatening to silence us should understand that we will not acquiesce to intimidation or unfair treatment."

Is it just us, or are Florida Republicans starting to sound a lot like Florida Democrats?

NOTE: We amended this post to reflect that Greer was really enforcing existing statutes concerning use of the name "Republican," rather than using the new statutes as we initially said.

Comments

Crist's folks at RPOF are the only good thing this party has going. Anyone at the RPOF quarterly could see that Republicans have problems!!! Count the walkers in the room - the average age has got to be 95.

speak softly and carry a big cane

Nothing new here.

FFRW is chartered at the national level and is NOT dependent upon state permission.

The new group, though, is not sanctioned by the National Women's group and so must apply for permission to use the name "Republican".

Think back to the fight a year or so ago where the FFRW wouldn't renew the membership of two of the women in violation of their charter; the NFRW revoked the FFRW's charter. Instead of going away and turning over the money to the RPOF as required by statute (Florida statute says that when clubs are dissolved they are to turn over all assets to the state party), the then defunct women's group gave everyone the finger and simply carried on under a new name.

This statute has been on the books for years and is nothing new.

Me thinks the Times is confusing the new statute that allows Greer to remove problem County Chairs.

Is this the Anne Voss down in Tampa that as president brought about the demise of the Florida Federation of Republican Women? Didn't she dish out "unfair treatment" to members who exercised their right to vote for a candidate not to Voss's liking?

And what exactly did they do with almost $80,000.00 that was in the FFRW's bank account? They sure didn't turn that over when they were forced to relinquish the charter.

basically

For years, any group that wants to have the name of the party in its name has to get the party's OK, what's the beef?

last i heard its still in a bank account pending the lawsuit. the problem is they are incorporated in florida, they say because the national group told them to. its just a mess.

I herad Albertelli and Voss had spent every last cent on traveling all over and shopping. Is there an accounting?

Voss surely has her hands full. She recently became chair of the Tampa bay Romney effort and now is now sending strongly worded emails about the RPOF chair . . .

I can't believe Ann Voss sends strongly worded emails about anything. Judith does the dirty work for that couple.

MEMO FROM NRWN PRESIDENT JUDITH ALBERTELLI AND FRWN PRESIDENT ANNE VOSS

Important

A Memo From: Judith Albertelli, President
                          National Republican Women's Network (NRWN)
                          Anne Voss, President
                          Florida Republican Women's Network (FRWN)

May 23, 2007
A Dark day for the Florida Republican Party~

On Friday, May 18, 2007, FRWN President Anne Voss and First Vice President Dolores Clark were directed to meet with Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer.  I participated in the meeting by telephone from Jacksonville.

Chairman Greer decreed that pursuant to the language in the new elections bill recently passed by the Florida Legislature, all clubs and organizations wanting to use the party name would have to get written permission from him to operate as a Republican club/organization. He went on to say that all Network clubs will have to apply to the Republican Executive Committee (REC) of the county in which they meet and obtain the written approval of two of the following three people in the REC: county chairman, state committeeman or state committeewoman.  His ultimatum indicated that refusal would require us to drop the word Republican from our name.

Furthermore, clubs receiving approval and having filed the appropriate documents with the party would receive only a “provisional” charter to operate on probation for one year. Following the probation period, they will then be judged by the “benchmarks” set by, and at the whim of, the State Party Chairman.  The new Florida statute gives power to the State Chairman to remove anyone from their position for any reason he deems valid.  His power to ῲemove extenῤs to county chairman and duly elected state committeemen and state committeewomen, as well as all REC and club ῭embers.

We were also told by Chairman Greer that the Florida New Federation and their unit clubs will not be held to the same standards. They will not have to apply for charters from the local REC members or the State Party Chairman.

The Executive Committee of the Florida Republican Women's Network, having discussed the far reaching ramifications of the Chairman's interpretation of the Florida Election Law and selective prosecution of the law, have voted to stand on principle, continue to use the name Republican and maintain our independence from the Party structure and control.  We will not relinquish the right t` drive our mission, charter our own clubs and set our own benchmarks with ῴrue faith and allegiance to our bylaws.

We are prepared to defend our rights to call ourselves Republican and to join with other Republican women to have our voice heard and our impact felt in the public arena.  Anyone threatening to silence us should understand that we will not acquiesce to intimidation or unfair treatment.

 Our Republican credentials are considerable and we stand by our record.  This is not 1907- we will not settle for second class status in our Republican Party, the party of Lincoln and Reagan.

And I guess Carole Jean Jordan leaked this story to the St. Pete just like she aired the Federation's dirty laundry all over the country by calling Jeb, Mel Martinez and even Karl Rove about this nonsense.

They set the stage for Charlie to have total control of the GOP through that dunderhead, Greer.

I don't think any Party Chair should have that much power. Too Nazi for me.

7:05 - because the money belonged to the FFRW inc. and the board of that organization has control of the checkbook. The money is still in the account or been used on republican events

The money belongs to the Federation. People donated that money whether in the form of outright donations, ads in event programs, silent auctions, etc. The money was donated to the FEDERATION; to the group that was duly chartered by a National Organization. Not to some renegade group that wants to shop high end. When you lost the charter you lost the right to the money donated BECAUSE of the charter.

And if you talk about "Republican events" how about this one? You call this kind of public exibition - a newspaper publicly talking about the GOP's internal affairs a "Republican event"?

Guess what - with Republicans like Albertelli and the other thieves, maybe we need more Democrats!

7:55 then you wouldn't mind posting an accounting of all that money online, would you?

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!

go to the department of state's website and do a search for republican women, all their income and expenditures is public record since they're a political organization.

[nole]

IT IS TIME That as Republicans we stop BASHING each other...we need to focus on UNITY...Unity is what we need to win in 2008...........let us rise above the accusations, ugly comments etc and begin to join hands as we strive to be VICTORIOUS
let us all act like the adults that we are!!!!!!!!!!!

the florida federation of republican women are actually on the site. it shows their status as closed but has all the info up to the last quarter

Chairman Greer is taking the appropritate action which is in the best interest of all Republicans.

8:33 - theres always a big election, theres always some reason to not address problems. we're 2 years out, the RPOF needs to address issues now before its too late.

when you type the search, make sure you aren't typing "starts with" Republican Women. Its there with 290k in income and a quarterly report updated 3/31/07

Florida Federation of Republican Women, Inc. (CCE)

Status:
Closed

Address:
1715 NW 12th Road
Ft. Myers, FL 33908
(904) 268-6698

Committee Type:
Committee of Continuous Existence (CCE)

Chairman:
Anne Voss

UNITY IS A GOOD THING. UNITY WITH DECENCY, CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY IS EVEN BETTER. Let's have a fuill accounting online, NOW!

it is online, you just have to know how to find it

8:42 - that organization, too, is "closed".

During 2006 (when FFRW lost the charter) it shows an income of about $5,000.00.
It lists expenses in excess of $20,000.00 . You spent 4 times as much money as YOU made after you lost the charter. Whose money were you then spending??

SO AGAIN, POST AN CCOUNTING ONLINE NOW!

[Pepublican Mabel]

So what if we have walkers? We vote more then the young ones. We can walk walk walk to the polling place and since we are retired we have plenty of time.

In fact, in September, 2006 - after you lost the charter and should have returned the money one of the expenses paid for with Federation money 3,195.00 to the law firm of ALBERTELLI & HALSEMA, P.L.. Hmmmm Is that Judith's lawyer-son working for you against the Federation with its own money?

I would say the Florida Federation of Republican Women, Inc. (CCE) and its President - Anne Voss and Treasurer - Livingston - have a lot of "splaining" to do...

7;09pm: I read that Ann Voss is a cochair for Romney in Hillsborough and is a political consultant who worked with her partner on the Gallagher campaign there. They lost that primary by 44 points from the tally on the Supevisor of Elections web site . .

[GBPO]

Bet Charlie comes to the rescue of the Women's clubs and has Greer back down... it has probably been set up to make CC look like the hero to Republican Women...

Same as when CC countered Greer's actions a while back... what was that issue?

Doubful ... these women are the same women who backed Tom Gallagher to the hilt. They include Carol Jean Jordan who had the audacity to run against Greer - handpicked by CC. Try again...

Can someone draw a timeline as to what has transpired.

why is Greer picking on these women
Seems a little heavy handed. How much harm can they do?

9;30 Ann Voss' political consulting partner there is April Schiff who also was a chair of the Gallagher campaign in Tampa and is working with Brent Doster, Tom's statewide chair on a tax activity.

Looks like the Gallagher people are trying to capitalize on CC being out of town to start a civil war. This smells like Doster, TG, Stemberger and the usual cast of characters. CC should issue a decree at a all hands meeting to his top staff to treat his supporters like gold (i.e. return calls, be accessible..etc), we are his front line troops against crap like this, especially when he is out of town.

[terminator]

9:54
Yeah and you subscribe to the Warren Commission report too!
Tom's got better things to do with his life these days, thank you!
The power play by CC and Greer amounts to little more than Nazism at its best.
Folks should be alarmed by this, not praising it and looking for "suspects".

There are two groups. Greer gave approval to the New Federated group during the quarterly meeting. Then he said that the Republican Women's Network would be asking the county chairs for charters and he urged them to put differences aside and sign off on these charter request. Every indication was that all of this was worked out the day before the meeting started and everyone was in agreement as to how to move forward. I do not think it is Greer that is the problem here. If everything was worked out, why has the Women's Network all of a sudden refusing to participate? The RPOF constitution does not even come close to recognizing them or giving them any sort of special status. Wall, the head of the New Federated group was present and participating in everything. Never saw the Women's network group at the meetings.

this is another case of bossy southern white guys telling "their" women to drop the attitude and do what they are told. truly intelligent women wouldn't put up with this crap.

Greer did the right thing , he was following the RPOF rules. He told the network that they could get a charter and then be part of the party , he tryed to support both groups. But Albertelli and Voss did what they always do ,cause trouble , Greer needs to stand firm . Follow the party rules or pay the price .

I think Charlie Crist went to Israel to learn some hardball negotiating skills that he can use with these Republican hens when he gets back.

Are there republican clubs for transsexuals?

Albertelli lost the nomination for national president of federated republican women and has been bitter ever since. She and Anne Voss almost destroyed the Republican women but now that a federated group has re-organized, Albertelli and Voss have a lot of sour grape type feelings and want to foster that on everyone. They are extrememly bad losers. Good for Chairman Greer. I only hope he can help get the federated money back these two losers stole from the federated organization! Albertelli used most of it to pay their lawyer who just happens to be her son!!!

Ladies, this is not a big deal. GET OVER IT. Just get permission to exist like every other club in the state...

It's funny how all of us GOP politicos outside of the GOP women's cat fight just roll our eyes and share common stories/observations of what an irrational pain in the ass you broads are. I'm talking about both sides of the fight. You're all crazy. Most, not all, but most of you don't do ANYTHING. You're worthless, yet you act as if you're St. Peter gaurding the gate the way you try to shake down campaigns and talk like people should kiss your oversized and overperfumed fannies. Please understand, I value you as a human being and I love your general love of country, but as far as politics goes, you are completely unimportant and you give us all headaches with your non-stop Bulls*@!. Stop the insanity, please.

Me thinks this is a set-up. If this was already settled why write a letter you know will end up in the media. Some entity is trying to undermine Greer and Charlie. Look at the players, are they the TG, Romney types, starting to see who may be behind this intended strife. Charlie and Greer needs to not take this lightly, this is a direct challenge to them by factions within the party determined to seem them fail. Note the timing, Charlie and his generals are out of town, how convenient.

[Maverick]

Sound like Carol Jean Jordan and Carol Carter are back from their cruise, this all smells like the work of the Carol's.

[Nancy]

Jeez! This reminds me of high school where the guys always got over their differences but the girls held onto grievances and continued to snipe at each other forever! It also shows why some of the formerly federated clubs chose to go co-ed and apply directly to the RPOF for a new charter, thus bypassing the women's groups entirely.

Definitely a Carol Jean Jordan-Judith Albertelli orchestrated actvity to embarass and weaken Greer. They both have an ax to grind and hate Greer. How convenient that CJJ is "on a cruise", missing the last RPOF mtg the same day CC and his generals leave town and the media gets this story. Convenient alibi. Hope Greer and CC understand from this the fact that there are some that just wont ever support them.

It is histrionics like this that prove the GOP needs a strong leader like Greer to control the party. Good for him.

These people have marginalized themselves, ande now must pay for not following simple statutes and easy rules involving the use of the word "Republican." It is always a pity when groups become more enamored with screwing each other rather than work to get Republicans elected.
However you slice it, that is what we have here. And to those effusive in praise of Jim Greer, let's win a contested election before we elevate him to the papacy. I am pleased with his work so far, and he would agree with measuring by the electoral scoreboard rather than his umpiring of little league games.

is it just me, or is all of this insider GOP stuff really boring?

Not one thread deals with any of the pressing problems Florida and the nation confront. Surprising?

1:08 (Nancy)

Count the new group out of that equation. Since rescuing the Florida Fedration last year, the FLORIDA NEW FEDERATION OF REPUBLICAN WOMEN have

- continued a Women's Federated movement in Florida;
- supported Governor Crist in his election;
- supported Chairman Greer in his work;
- started different initiatives aimed at voter registration and recapturing the U.S. House.

How nice to see "godly" republicans turn on each other with such venom.

The Republicans aren't turning on each other. They just seem to have one little group of thieves bent on behaving like Democrats.

Aren't Albertelli, Voss and others in charge of the Tllie Fowler Execllence in Public Service Series? Doesn't sound so excellent right about now...

This is their Board of Directors:

Judith Albertelli (President)
Judy Arranz (Executive Director)
Jerry Buchanan (Vice-President)
Anne Voss (Secretary)
Pat Bailey (Treasurer)
Nancy Burrows
Toni Crawford
Brenda Davis
Sharon Day
Shannon Hewitt
Glorious Johnson
Debra Kloeppel-Wotiz
Kerry McCarthy
Pam Paul
Susan Pitman
Christina Sheppard
Penny Thompson
Mary Ann Tobin
Janet Westling

Anyone who is wondering why Judith Albertelli is doing all this, here's another scam she's running. This went out by e-mail all over the State:

" Several of you saw the sparkly crystal pin depicting 54% and were inquiring about it. The 54% represents the percentage of women who voted in the last election.

The first 100 members to send in a check for $154 will become Founding Members of the National Republican Women's Network and will receive a pin with 54% in crystals.

If anyone wishes to join they can mail a check payable to:

$154 to NRWN
C/O Judith Albertelli
11651 Olde Mandarin Rd.
Jacksonville, FL 32223"

Greer is a nazi

[Mabel]

Why did the title of this post change? Last night it was:
RPOF Generalissimo Greer flexes muscle, sparks fight"

Greer want to be an old time party boss. He want everyone to have to come kiss his ring, whenever he runs.

He just does not get it. When statewide people run they have their own campaign and largly work outside of the party. He is doing more harm than good. He does not understand the system and is destined to hand florida back to the democrats all in the guise of feeding his ego.

The law that says you have to have permission to use the name of your Party has been around for a ggod long time.

The other stuff, about being able to remove people willi-nilly is new. HOWEVER, you don't see Greer coming down on anyone else, just Albertelli & friends. Wonder why?

[Grace]

Well, goodness, given all this ya-ya among Republican ladies the Democrats show they are more concerned about the needs of the people of Florida and less concerned about who sells whom sparkly crystal pins.
Democrats care about raising the minimum wage and to Democrats the well-being of the people of Florida is more important than all these rich ladies fighting with Mr. Greer.

This is about Greer because he can not figure how to make the party work together. His goal is not to make sure we have these ladies as volunteers. His goal is to make sure that he is in charge and everyone knows it.

Republicans care about raising the minimum wage - we don't want to because you communists want to raise it so much it would put good, productive establishments out of business.

[Grace]

I think most ladies would rather volunteer for a group that cares about people and good government rather than sparkly crystal pins. Consider becoming Democrats where concern is for human rights and social justice and not sparkly crystal pins.

Who is going to run against Greer in 18 months???

Grace - get off the sauce! Al Democrats care about is taxing people who work so they can create huge government bureaucracies with which they can:

1) give all their friends government jobs; and
2) support the underclass who does nothing for society - but voted Democrat.

[Grace]

What is saucy about wanting people to have equal opportunity? If you read the above set of comments you must agree that Mr. Greer and the GOP Ladies do not sound as if they care about anything but themselves and their status.

It IS NOT ABOUT GREER because everybody else is working together - just the Albertelli troublemakers. And they have been making trouble too long - time to take them out.

Some of you just dont get it. Greer is just following the RPOF rules, Chairman Greer has been very nice to both groups, But the FRWN has put Greer in a tough position. Most of the RPOF think he is doing a great job.Greer is now faced with a out of control group , who could care less about the Party rules . STAND FIRM MR GREER!!!

Now I remember why I've never voted for Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite. She is tight with these kind of lunatics.

[Rita Acoba]

I am truly discourage by women who claim themselves Republican and charge like a bull with red white and blue horns to descredit their sisters. In a real family we sit down and talk about our differences instead of laundering them in public. One group only talks about MONEY, MONEY and MONEY. They claim 'she got it and by right it is
MINE, MINE, MINE!!! Seems like the other group is just trying to get the same recognition as the other....are they all Republicans...or have I missed something? Shame on you so called, ladies. Get a grip if you want your candidates to get control back Washington in '08. In other words....SHUT UP and VOTE!!

Albertelli and friends should account for the money. There should be an investigation of that. Otherwise, we all need to get back to striving for unity and an emphasis on the goals of Republicanism, or we are going to be in VERY sad shape come election day.

Is that Sharon Day the National Florida Committeewoman? She should immediately resign from that group and stand behind Greer if she wants to do her part in brining Florida together.

the repukes are showing their true misogynist tendencies with this issue.

[Maria]

Do these ladies care about amnesty for our undocumented fellow Floridians?
I hope they will be with Mr. Bush for amnesty and stop fighting about their names. Mr. Romney does not seem to want amnesty.

You go Maria, lets get to the real issues.

Why don't you Republicans outsource this issue to the Democrats and let them take care of business.

The Democrats taking care of business got us into VietNam. The Democrats taking care of business voted to go to was in Iraq and now refuse to fund the needs of our servicepeople. Democrats? Take care of business? Don't make me laugh!!

A group needs the Party's permission to use the Party's name. That law has been around for a long time.

The Chairman could have squalched this whole nonsense when Albertelli and Voss first lost their Charter last year by simply sending them a letter telling them to stop using the name "Republican". But he didn't. Why? Because the Chairman at the time was Carol Jean Jordan who is one of them.

Why are we in this mess? Because of Carole Jean's non-leadership.

Those who gather more than one in the name of Republicans must be blessed by the almighty of all, Jim Greer

Is Greer going to file a complaint with the FDLE against Albertelli, Voss, Clark, Livingston, etc. for misappropriation?

The RNC no longer charters any organizations, thanks to McCain-Fiengold law. There are no longer any affiliated organizations of the RNC. The NFRW is no longer a voting member of the RNC. The NFRW is now a corporation, chartered in Virginia with no connection to the RNC. FNFRW is affiliated with the NFRW. The National Republican Women's Network, to my understanding, is incorporated in Delaware. The Florida Networkis affiliated with the NRWN. Both these organizations are on an equal basis as far as their national charters. Why is the RPOF asking one organization to locally charter and not the other? All Republican national organizations are now stand alone organizations.

[Joe from Philly]

12:11. O you loyal Bushies are ever ready to compromise truth at the behest of your betters. Are these the latest "talkers" from your master,Rove? You loyal Bushies don't let reality get in your way, do you? Keep it up, tho. It is illuminating to see you do as told..spread disinformation as Rove decree-est. No wonder you have these annoyed GOP gals. On second thought, they may be Monica Goodling's role models.

12:16 You are so right, Chairman Greer is doing what CJJ should have done, But that would have required her to be a leader! Greer does not run from things like this ,He provides Leadership. Lets All Stand with Greer!!!!!!

[Mabel]

Go Greer! He likes ladies with walkers who dance with the stars. Those other ladies..forgedabout it. We want Rudy. (I'm originally from upstate NY). I think the crowd from Jacksonville behind this mess are sort of stodgy. We need to follow our main fella.

Jim boy, from one man to the other...let this continue. I love to see these up tight Republican women get down and dirty in a cat fight. Ahhh for the good ole days when we men could say to the little girls, sit in the corner, we have men business to discuss. Go get your knitting group together and make some home made pies for the poor.

11:18 AM
Sharon Day will never be loyal to Chairman Greer because he did not make her, remember Former Carol Jean Jordan tapped her for the National Committeewoman position. Sharon Day will always be loyal to Carol Jean Jordan and Chairman Greer needs to make sure that she does not run again. Sharon Day is just like Carol Jean Jordan and she needs to go, Chairman Greer you need to find someone else to run.

1:04 (Judith? anne?) That was a nice try. Sharon Day was not tapped by that fool Carole Jean. She had help in running for National Committeewoman from former Senate President Jim Scott, who is from her home base in Broward.

Carole Jean, she prbably supported Pat Bailey (an Albertelli crony, when she's sober) over Sharon Day.

I feel bad for any man married to one of these women. Or worse yet, has one of these women as a "real" ex-wife.

1:04 pm

And, what is masculine sounding? Swearing and having beard on my face OR, maybe you think you have apprehended a GAY? So now, you can put that knotch on your gun. Lighten up lady, I was just having fun.

1:07 PM (ANN, Judith)

YOU ARE SO WRONG . . .Sharon Day ran against Pat Bailey and Carol Jean was behind her and anointed her and campaigned for her. Some of us have been around for a long time and we can not be fooled.

1:08PM

does anyone know if Ann Voss is truly married to an officer in the military and if so what does he think about his wife's conduct, I hope he feels tat her conduct is unbecoming an officer's wife.

Lets see who wins this fight? The Chairman of the State Party, Who has the total backing of the Gov (some thing CJJ never had) Plus the law on his side and support of most RPOF members, or Albertelli and Voss who have done nothing but cause disruption and cant tell anyone where the money is!!! Please show this two who is Boss !

You know who it seems like there are alot of people on this string from the RPOF who have jumped up in positions in the party and do not know the party history so now they need to find out what is going on, Jim should of hired people who had a better grasp of party history.

1:31 you should "of" paid more attention to your grammar.

12:23 do you mean Albertelli's organization is going to try to form competing state women's groups in other states as she has in Florida?

Has she done so yet? Where?

[GOP Activist]

CJJ thinks that Anne Voss is a total waste of oxygen, who could screw up a wet dream. Mention Anne Voss in front of her and her eye twitches with a nervous reaction, similar to Pavlov's Dog.

1:30 pm - I don't think Charlie Crist needs to call in the National Guard just yet on this matter. RPOF should be able to sort it out on their own.

[Rime Time]

She's as dependable as a broken watch--the broken watch is correct twice a day.

Anne Voss takes on titles like "county chair" for a campaign to pad her resume, as she bilks her clients for campaigns that she loses due to ineptitude.

Any success that happens for a campaign that she is on is solely due to the actual paid staff connected to the candidate and RPOF, not her.

I just read the E-mail Voss and Albertelli sent out, it is full of lies. This Guy Greer is not like CJJ , How dumb to say such things about this State Party Chair , He will not put his head in the sand and hide like CJJ did. As one active Republican Im glad Greer is our Chairman ,Time to put a stop to this stuff.

[Party Loyalist]

Ha, Ha!!! These comments are too funny, but are they really necessary?

I don't see how somebody who can write such vicious things about the RPOF can expect to work with it eventually. This exactly what Albertelli & Voss would have to do to be accepted as part of the GOP structure in FL.

[Party Fowl]

The Good Lord only knows that Anne Voss has that radioactive hair color only so that way she gets attention, because her leadership (the absence, thereof) and notable wins is lacking when it comes to any direct accreditation to her. She talks a lot and does very little

You are a bunch of mean spirited women. I am 70 years old and my mothers would have more than washed my mouth out with soap. You make slanderous accusations against your own and expect to get respect? Why don't you all stop this nonsense? My grandson was at this site...and I told him not to write his nonsense to you also.

2:05 obviously, your Mother's lessons didn't take. You sound like a mean old crow yourself. And your grandson must be some kind of sissy for listening to you.

[GBPO]

I still stand by my earlier guess. When Charlie gets back from Isreal, it will be... the party does not need to alienate itself like this, lets bring everyone together and make nice.

GBPO I guess you don't know much about Charlie or his friends and appointees.

They appeased Hitler (Judith and Ann) and he killed 11 million Jews(NFFRW), Chairman Greer stick to your guns and the Party bylaws, containment was a horrible policy and it still is a horrible policy.

Now everbody knows why when Judith ran for Nat President, people in FL did not support her, and then she came back and kicked them out of the State Club, Thats when the Nat Fed pulled there Charter . She then started the network, Now she Tells the RPOF and Chairman Greer to Kiss off, Put this woman and her group in there place , The Party Rules!!!!Not Her.

2:31PM

GBPO I agree Charlie and his people have already alienated many of his loyal supporters and this is just the start of a greater issue that will arise in the coming weeks.

CC may have alienated many people, but consider:

1) his popularity is still extremely high (over 70%);
2) having alienated some people does not mean he is going to turn around and pucl a handful of former enemies from jail (where they should be) or even oblivion (where they will surely end up).

Albertelli, Carole Jean Jordan, Voss, etc. are CC's enemies.

3:29 you wouldn't be a former Gallagher supporter still expecting "the big news" about Charlie to come out, would you?

[gemejay]

Florida is only one of two states which gives the chairman the 'power' over who can use the name Republican. Of as much concern to me is the fact that with this newly worded legislation, State Committeemen and Women can be removed also, at the whim of the chair. They were duly elected by voters of the counties, not by REC members. Also, you do realize that this same legislation will allow the Governor to remain in office if he runs for VP. There are many problems with this legislation.

gamejay, there are problems with the legislation. I think some of its provisions will be easily struck down. But the part about using the Party name only with permission is not new. It has been around for decades. CJJ could have used it last year to stop them, but she didn't because she is on their side.

Funny, a formed RPOF Chair making war on RPOF.

2:45 the "people in Florida" you refer to just the 2 women they removed right?

lets face it, both sides of this debate have made mistakes. Charlie has a better chance of solving the Israeli - Palestinian conflict then fixing the Republican women issue

[gemejay]

3:54 You are right, that has been around for a long time. It still does not make it right. I think it also applies to any political party. As to your next point, I don't think there should be any 'sides'. There is plenty of work to go around.Despite what an earlier poster commented, both groups are comprised of women of all ages. There are professionals, elected officials, campaign managers, treasurers, and women of all walks of life. I am quite tired of Republicans fighting among themselves. We need to wake up.

I was looking at the Democrat site and happend to come across the Republican site, interesting. I have never pulled this site because I thought everything you have to say is bias, was I wrong. I will just sit and keep reading all of your e-mails. I may even copy some of the best ones to send to my friends, (D)'s of course. Or better, yet I will have them visit the site. I am not sure what all the fuss is about, who, what, where when or why but thank you for keeping my otherwise boring afternoon, very entertaining. You should visit our site, we are civil, we only attack Republicans. You will only hear my breathing while I read your messages. Thank you St. Petersburg Times.

Let me start off by stating that I am a lifelong registered Republican. I am what some might call a Reagan Republican. After all he was the first President I voted for. In addition, I was once upon a time, an elected member of the Republican Party.

Lately, I am ashamed of the actions of the Republican Party as well as many elected republican officials. Let it be known that I am an AMERICAN first, a Conservative second, and a Republican third. There was a time (and not too long ago), I could say I was a republican and it was all encompassing….not any longer. Basically, I love my God, my family and my country. Foremost, my allegiance is to my Country, NOT my party.

When I see legislation that is passed with a lack of respect for the electorate, it offends me. Usurping the will of the electorate is NEVER a good idea. State Committeemen/women are ELECTED POSITIONS. They go on the Republican primary ballot for ALL republicans within the respective county, to vote on, not just those in the Executive Committee. Giving the authority to remove them from elected office--to a single person…..is dangerous, to say the least! This is bad legislation passed by Republican controlled House and Senate, and signed off by a Republican Governor—what is wrong with this picture?

When did my party begin to completely ignore the will of its members? We Republicans make up OUR party NOT CJJ, Greer, or Martinez for that matter. I am watching what is happening with this amnesty bill AND IT MAKES ME SICK. 86% of the American people have said they want the borders closed, and to enforce the laws already on the books. What are some elected Republicans doing? Mel Martinez, Chuck Hagel, John McCain, and GW himself are ignoring what we want, and busy “tweaking” and trying to pass, some 682 page “comprehensive path to citizenship”. Puleaze! But they got our number….we the American people have short term memories, and there will be no accountability on Election Day, not to mention we all will end up choosing the “lesser of two evils” on the general election day and vote the respective party lines. This has become a party of self-serving, mediocre, establishment, career politicians.

Perhaps it is time that we get back to some fundamental principles with which our party and our country was built on. This is NOT about the women, or Greer, this is about usurping US…you know???? “WE THE PEOPLE…”

We the republicans should be running our party and we the people should be running our country.

I have since left the REC and my departure was one of the most liberating experiences I ever had. I can say what I want now, without fear of retaliation or recourse. I am still an active voting member of the Republican Party and will continue to participate in the primary, vote for my country, and my vote my conscience. To set the record straight John Mccain (the “golden child” of the Republican party) will NEVER get my vote. He left behind POW’s, McCain/Feingold censors our freedom of political speech, and he might need a walker himself by the primary. Is this the best we got? I remember ’04 one of our biggest laughs was the huge democrat slate of candidates…..we referred to them as the seven dwarfs…..LOL For what it is worth these are my thoughts: Newt Gingrich-Presidential candidate, Tom Tancredo-VP candidate, Rudy Guilliani-Attorney General, Duncan Hunter-Secretary of Defense, Huckabee-Secretary of State, Ron Paul Court Jester and the rest get nothing because of their pathetic voting records…and that includes Fred Thompson for voting for McCain/Feingold.

Get back to the basics…and take back YOUR party and YOUR country! Avoid the smoke n mirrors, and the booby traps.

Ann Coulter once said (and I paraphrase) that Republicans could be relied on to form a circle facing inward, then open fire. Isn't that what we're doing here? And, shouldn't we be trying to find common ground so we can work together rather than continue the sniping?

That would be a good idea. Are you including the lawbreakers who disobey decades-long party rules and steal organizations' money?

The fact is there is only one legitimate, chartered, recognized, law abiding appropriate women's group in Florida: The Florida New Federation of Republican Women.

[Rita Acoba]

You think that you are very brave to make snide accusations and very free to slur defamation of character remarks under stelth. I am not afraid to let you know who I am, why are you afraid to say who you are? Your scathing remarks are useless unless you uncover yourself to defend your so called truths. You are a bunch of cowards who will continue to be a bunch of cowards...slithering in the night under cover. Afraid of the real truth? If you really believe in what you say, uncover yourselves and be proud to annouce who you are. Thought so, you are still a bunch of cowards.

We know the network and they are the same Gallagher group that likes to retaliate against those who oppose their leadership, we will continue to post and please report back to your commander and let them know your mission failed.

Rita Accba? What is a Rita Acoba anyway??

Is that a psudonym for Judith Albertelli? Most like...

So Albertelli, where is the money???

[Rita Acoba]

I rest my case. A bunch of cowards!!!

[Rita Acoba]

Want to know who I am. Ask Jim Greer. He knows who I am. He called me two days ago and we had a long talk. Or, ask your President Barbara Walls...he e-mailed her the same day I talked to him. When did you last have a personal talk with Jim Greer....if ever.

[Maria]

Dear 5.29...you say Newt Gingrich-Presidential candidate, Tom Tancredo-VP candidate....but these people go against Jeb Bush and Senator Martinez who promise amnesty and a path to citizenship. You cannot be a loyal arbustotita and say this.

[Mabel]

Is that Rita from Panama City? Did you move?

If you women can no longer use the term "Republican", how's this sound "Republihens".

[Mabel]

Republi-hen. Not bad, kind of like a Lady Elk or Moose in the fraternal orders.
Very cute, 7:17.

Im proud of Chairman Greer ,He is protecting the Republican name and our party from people who would destroy it. I fell for the CJJ lies at the State election in Jan and did not vote for Greer, but I will next time in 2 years , he is the right person to lead our party! I can see in just 4 months what great things can be done with a good Chairman like him. GOD were we missing alot under CJJ. Thank you Mr Crist for asking Mr greer to serve our party.

[Rita Acoba]

Hi Mabel,
I am sorry without your last name, I cannot place you. I know several Mabels. Nope, I still live in Panama City. I applaud you for using at least your first name. That takes guts. I worked on Charlie Crist campaign as his Bay County Chair. Planned a huge rally and a fundraiser. I am very independent and a proud member of the Network. In our group, we have discussions, not accusations. We are also free thinkers. :)~rita

Maria-My allegiance is to my COUNTRY first and foremost, NOT my party. I will NOT vote for those who have a proven voting record of being derelict of duty, and having violated their oath of office. Call me what you will, but my love of my country supercedes my continued disappointment in SOME elected republican officials. By God, I live in the greatest country in the world, and WE THE PEOPLE have a responsiblity to protect and preserve it. If it means calling republicans out on the carpet for NOT doing their job...then so be it. I will be there come election day/s to do my part. Who better then a fellow republican to offer constructive criticism?

I suggest some members of the Republican party familiarize themselves with a speech Ronald Reagan made at the American Conservative Union Banquet, 2/6/77. The speech is called "Reshaping the American Political Landscape".

"So it was our Republican party that gave me a political home. When I signed up for duty, I didn't have to check my principles at the door. And I soon found out that the desire for victory did not overcome our devotion to ideals." Ronald Reagan RNC New Orleans 8/15/88 Someone should remind Mel that the "nail in the republican coffin" will come with the passing of legislation not representative of the will of the people.

I rather be called a solid, consistant, patriotic American, then a arbustotita..whatever that means.

Rita, are you really leading the Asian FRW down that path to nowhere with Albertelli? Why don't you ask who is behind the "Network" Get a real answer, not just a pat one. And while you're at it, ask why they lost the Federation Charter. See what they tell you. I bet you deep inside, you won't be satisfied with their answers.

There are several states where REC chairperson/s are suing the state party. I guess Florida is destined to be next.

All this will do is alienate and divide the republican base and you might as well get out the welcome wagons for the demorats, the great divide was just legislated. I want to see the roll call on this legislation.

Isn't the purpose of the REC's to get Republicans elected? They are not effective in this county at performing their responsibilities. Now they have the additional burden and responsibility of authorizing who gets to use the word? Hell, I am not sure any of them even know what it is to be a republican.

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Had to put one of my famous markers in here at 160 posts so I know where I am and what I have already read.
Don't want to read all that again. I am depressed enough.

Looks like some want the party to implode because of infighting.

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"If the association looked bad, Mortham looked worse. She was taking commissions from E.S.&S. while on contract with the association that endorsed E.S.&S. In at least one county—Broward—Mortham received a 1 percent “success fee” of $172,000 for the county’s $17.2 million purchase of E.S.&S. touch-screens. If that rate applied across the state, noted the Sun-Sentinel, then Mortham would have earned $706,000 in all from E.S.&S.’s total sale of $70.6 million." -

bottom feeder
a. An opportunist who profits from the misfortunes of others.
b. A low or despicable person.

[Maria]

Arbusto was the name of Mr. Bush's oil company.
It means Bush. So arbustotito is a good little/loyal Bush person. Like Miss Monica Goodling and Mr. Kyle Sampson said in their DOJ memos...Republicans need to be loyal Bushies. But "Bushie" doesn't sounds good to me..arbustito is the same meaning in Spanish.

Maria you're just to f___ cute.

Never a fan of CJJ. Just don't go around spreading allegations about people. In this country, everyone is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty. There have been things said on this blog that are slanderous and liable. Those posting should be more respectful of the judicial process. Might I also remind them that before they cast stones...they should request a "rap" sheet of their lauded party chair Greer. Impressive.....what was it three or four CONVICTIONS of driving with suspended license? There were other things on there as well....so many I can hardly recall.

Wow the Republican Women have nothing to do but sit around and gossip on this board. None of the "hotter" political topics have garnered this many comments in a long time. Seriously, does this really matter that much? And can whoever keeps posting "Albertelli, where's the money?" please stop? If she is reading this, she read it already. Geez.

[Rita Acoba]

If you insist on addressing our Asian group, please use our correct title. Panhandle Asian REPUBLICAN Women Network. We did not fall off the turnip truck...or more accurately, came to American in a bamboo boat. Many of us are at least first generation American and educated. Yes, we know all the facts of the split and where the money is, in escrow until the lawsuit is settled. Do you understand the word, escrow? I would be more than happy to loan you my dictionary. WE made the right choice. Sadly, NFRW made a kneejerk decision to remove our charter and we have to live with it....not die from it. In the end both of our groups will prosper and be responsible Republican women. Jim Greer said repeatedly, he wants this devide behind him. I would like to think he was sincere.

Everyone needs to tone it down some. There are Republican Party operatives monitoring this stuff.

[Republican Party Operative]

Yes, we are monitoring this board. If you ladies don't stop it we will see that you get no more sparkly crystal pins.

I think the Democrats got the word about this site. They are responding and trying to be cute.

[Republican Party Operative]

Can we get the stuff above this post deleted?

Well, Rita, since you are so smart and even have a dictionary, please tell me, what bank holds the money, how much is there and where can we get a full accounting.

I'll be surprised if after almost a year of paying her son legal fees to defend them there I'd be shocked if anything was left.

And in case you don't think they;ve been paying their legal fees out of Federation money, think again. Last night we were told the money was in the Florida Federation of Republican Women, CCE account. Well, turns out that account is closed. But before it was closed there are a number of entries for payments made to little Albertelli for attorney's fees.

On and by the way, sue away. Truth is an absulote defense.

[Rita Acoba]

Good night and sleep tight. Truth will prevail. End of conversation.

There is no proven truth here, just speculation. Please stop playing amateur attorney. Understand the rules of Incorporation, as well as a basic understanding of the judicial process. These allegations are lacking in merit and fallacious at best.

I should remind you that some of these allegations are considered libel. Libel is the written act of defamation. And possibly subject to prosecution and/or civil charges.

[Republican Party Operative]

"I should remind you that some of these allegations are considered libel. Libel is the written act of defamation. And possibly subject to prosecution and/or civil charges."

Prosecution?
Mr. Greer will see that Republi-hens get no more sparkly crystal pins.

This legislation has alienated many, including those of us who worked very hard for Governor Crist. I too felt very liberated to leave the REC. As far as Republican Women, I made my choice. I am with the Network. I think that if you have had the 'stomach' to read all of this thread, you can see that the hostility and viciousness comes from only one side. It is time for them to let go---at least until the litigation is resolved. And speaking of that, the Chairman certainly stepped in at an inopportune time.

Yeah, go ahead and mess with Mortham...

It is very easy to whine that one side is being "mean". However, if you woke up one morning to find that your leadership had lost you your charter after over 50 years, then steal your money after continuously lying to everyone and all because Albertelli lost her bid for the National Presidency, you would be plenty angry too.

But I guess it is like all criminals. They all scream for their "rights" forgetting that the reason they even have to invoke those rights is that they committed a crime. It’s called “blame the victim”.

Viciousness? What about all that viciousness spewed by Albertelli in that memo of hers? Viciousness and lies. And all of it against her own Party. If you ask me, we are better off without her.

10:14 why do you feel the Chairman stepped in at an inopportune time in terms of the lawsuit? Do you think Albertelli’s boy is through stalling?

GO Chairman Greer!!!,Your the best Chairman the State Has had in a long time . Use the power the law gives you.Put this mess to rest .

Greer is just using longstanding law to come down on a renegade group with a long history of troublemaking and dubious dealing.

MmmmmmmHahahahahahahahaha!
We Democrats are loving this immensely!
Please send us more entertainment like this.
Do you have anymore Greer's to stir things up.
Charlie ain' no Democrat yet even though he tries daily to be one.
When will you Repubcreants and Walkerlings wake up to that matter in your party. Hope not. MMmmmmmmmHahahahahahahaha!

[Estrogenatito]

Great Odin's Raven please stop with the money allegations. We get the point you have made over and over. We don't need an accounting, but you need some emergency therapy.

Estrogenatito,

do you really get the point?

No, when money goes missing you do need an accounting. Either that or a police investigation. That's the decent, legal way to approach it.

8:46, If you are so in the know, then you are aware that the NFRW lawyers have seen the books. Now leave it for the attorneys and courts.

FACT: The last quarterly meeting was the best meeting of the RPOF in ten years

FACT: Charirman Greer is a serious leader and has a vision of where he wants top lead the party.

FACT: Chairman Greer has the support of Gov Crist.

FACT: George Lemieux is a former party guy and do not underestimate George or his commitment to the long term war for unity.

FACT: Chairman Greer is gracious and has given CJJ and all other vocal opponenets their due with grace and dignity, unlike CJJ.

FACT: Chairman Greer see the need to unite the party and eliininate factions that divide the party and yes he has open the tent to all comers.

FACT: Chairman Greer is a solid speaker and has the energy and ideas to bring about victoiry, guess what - he supports building the bench!

FACT: At The quaterly he was very clear that he wanted the local leadership to grant the club charters and make sure things were in order - he does not hide from what needs to be talked about.

FACT: His wife is a great singer and he does an awesome Elvis rendition as well.

FACT: At the quarterly he took time to shake hand with the party faithful in the back of the room, he was one of us!

FACT: He had an open mike at the board meeting, this has never been done and the board actually had serious work to conduct, way to go Jim Stelling!

FACT: There were actual minutes of the committee meetings for the members to review at the board meeting.

FACT: More republicans will seek to rally around this new era of leadership at the RPOF.

FACT: Jim Greer is the republicans secret weapon that will unify the forces and make the party strong and deliver florida for Republicans in 2008.

Message to all you democRATS out there enjoying all this: understand this legislation, impacts you as well. Be well assured, we can very well turn all this around and start talking about the "issues" surrounding the dems in this country. The "liberal left" have hijacked your party, and abandoned, alienated wonderful people like Zell Miller, David Horowitz and even the most beloved President of all time, Ronald Reagan. To quote Ronnie.."I didn't leave the democratic party, they left me..."

Do you know how many elected demorats in the '04 election changed party affiliation WHILE in office? Do you also know how many democrat strongholds in '04 had high percentages of cross over votes? Keep relying on Rosie and the Cindy Sheman to help you guys out....they are doing a Maaarvelous job. Shehan would make a great poster person for abstinance, especially that pic of her hugging on Chavez.

Many NPA, Libertarians, and registered Independents and Republicans consider many within your party to be seditious, and borderline domestic terrorists. I suggest you all start considering stepping outside your party "line" and put this country ahead of your individual interests.

8:26 am

Hi Fellow Democrat,
You got the e-mail about this 'cat-fight' with the Republican women. Great stuff. I wonder when they will throw the cuffs on the one they call Abertili. Would be great to see the Attorney General make the house arrest while the group that hates her carry signs and cheer. James was right, I never had so much fun. Hey, I am stringing my group to this event. You need to string your group and have them string their group. Tell them not to respond, just read and have fun. We do not want them to shut down. Never cared much for the St. Pete's Times but they know a good story when it drops in their lap.

1:03PM

this is long overdue, they have played this game and avoided the law for almost a year now.

Grand jury indictment?

Who are these women? Info, please.

Keep an eye on your local paper...

Incs declare "Jihad" on RPOF and Greer!

What a terrible waste of precious time for our Party to have to deal with yet another grab for power and another vicious temper tantrum at such an important time. I hope all the INC/ Network clubs learn or understand their responsibilities. This is a very sad business. Maybe they will all see the error of such illegal actions and join the FNFRW again or their local County parties.

I saw Osama Bin Albertelli interviewing Congressman Feeney on the Immigration. Goodness knows how she got that close to him. But some of her supporters might want to look out for "La Migra". Look out Rita Acoba!

Mortham has to be involved in this mess too. She is tight with all these women. They all need to take a hike.

3:47-

You mean like Scooter Libby, or perhaps William Jefferson? Oh that is right...they are demoRATS and are held to diff standards.

So much for innocent until proven guilty....

[Joe from Philly]

Just keep saying "Bill Clinton." That usually stops them cold.
These ladies are a laff riot.

What is the status of the Networks cruise with Chairman Greer is it still and if so how can they collect money if they are not a legal organization?

9:09AM
Fact: The meeting was not well attended
I have been to alot of quarterly meetings, with Tom Slade, Al Cardenas, and Carole Jean Jordan - trust me many of them have been better.

Fact: Greer definitely has a clear vision of where he thinks the party should be. It's a shame with his lack of knowledge he doesn't know where the party has been.

Fact: Greer does have the support of Charlie because Greer carries his bag for him everywhere. Unfortunately, Greer's first interest should be the RPOF with support for Charlie. Greer could care less about the RPOF.

Fact: George is a past party person. With the important word being "past". Not a party person any longer his rewards follow Charlie - not the party. His support and his future follows Charlie. That's OK just don't consider him a party person.

Fact: Greer is not one of us. He will unite the party as long as everyone agrees with him.

Fact: Open mikes at meetings are not a new thing. Is this your first RPOF meeting like Greer and his staff. Stelling was Greer's water boy - just carrying the bucket.

Fact: Greer's wife may be a good singer, so she should try out for American Idol not be on the stage where her husband is the Chairman. When did Elvis impersonations have anything to do with the Republican Party. He is a big high rolling gambler to - does that make him leadership material or chairman material - no I think mostly partying material.

Fact: Note to Greer, please stop calling Lisa the first lady of the RPOF on everything. It is embarrasing and people are laughing at you behind your back.

Fact: Minutes for a committee meeting is not a news flash. You really are a new comer.

Fact: Greer couldn't be anyone's secret weapon he is to busy telling everyone everything he has done since coming on board. I did this..I did that..since I became chairman..blah, blah, blah.

Fact: The person that posted the original "fact" post is probably one of Greer's staff members. Doesn't have a clue about the party, what we do or have done in the past, what