Clinton, Giuliani rule new 'Q' poll

Hillary Rodham Clinton is crushing the Democratic field and Rudy Giuliani holds the lead among Republicans, according to a new Quinnipiac poll. But Clinton has taken the overall advantage in Florida.

In a Democratic primary, Clinton gets 51 percent, followed by 17 percent for Obama and 10 percent for John Edwards. Among Republicans, Giuliani gets 27 percent, with 19 percent for Thompson, 17 percent for Romney and 8 percent for McCain.

Head to head, Clinton tops Giuliani 46-43, breaking a 44/44 tie September 12.

Other matchups:

Clinton tops McCain 46/42, Thompson 48/39, and Romney 48/37.
Giuliani bests Obama 42/39, and edges Edwards 43/41.
Obama beats Thompson 45/36, Romney 43/36, but trails McCain 41/39.
Edwards edges McCain 42/40, beats Thompson 44/36 and Romney 47/33.

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Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary.

[politicalspectator]

But only if she's in to that kind of thing...

Regardless of your moronic comment, Rudy is still the ony one who can beat Hillary.

The Times left out the most important matchup ...

Clinton 46 - Giuliani 43 - that's 3 points in Clinton's favor since September

Romney's going to win in IA; Rudy needs to beat Mitt in NH. If Rudy wins NH, it's over.

Finally a candidate that tells you how he feels and does not cater to the special interests. He gives his own answers to questions, not the ones he thinks these groups want to here. Even if I do not agree with him, at least I know he will not tell me one thing today, then just the opposite later on. Like so many others do. Like having "traditional Conservative values" then be found tapping his toes in a mens room, or the so many other hypocritical things these people do.

10:21 - Remember your comment when when Rudy loses the nomination.

"Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary" - doesn't look like it.

Clinton 46 Giuliani 43

Nobody is going to beat Hillary. Watch.

10:37 10:39 It is far too early to think that those numbers won't change. The more people get to know Rudy, and the more the history of Hillary comes back around, Rudy's numbers can and probably will increase. But more to the point is that the other Republican candidates numbers are lower and they represent the same old, same old extremeist c r a p. People will not go for that anymore. Rudy has the best chance.

10:25, you read it too fast. Times has Hillary beating Giuliani and every other Republican candidate. I'd love to hear again how the pro-abortion, pro gay rights, anti-gun and adultering Giuliani is the best candidate for the supposed party of values. Will the evangelicals follow the would be leader James Dobson who said of America's Mayor: "If he is put in office by conservatives and by those who are pro-life and pro-marriage, pro-family, I'm afraid that we will not recover from it."

That is such a small lead by Hillary at this early date. What it shows me is that Rudy is the Republican candidate that the money should go to so he can close the gap on Hillary. Just look at the numbers, no other R can do this. I bet the extremeist would rather have Hillary win then Rudy so they can keep their base rev'ed up to keep the money rolling in. Republicans better think about that scenario. Unless they want to rev up their base also. It could be all about money and not which candidate could really win. Tangled web.

GO MITT GO!!!!!!!!

Why Hillary Beats Rudy
By Maggie Gallagher
Tuesday, October 9, 2007

Front-runner Rudy Giuliani increasingly claims the mantle of invincibility -- issues, schmissues, he's the only guy who can beat Hillary.

Judging from my recent cocktail party conversations, it's having an impact. But these same conversations reveal how much wishful thinking goes into the myth of Rudy the Invincible.

"I can't believe the American people will vote for that woman and her husband, a philanderer," one wealthy businessman told me.

"Who are you supporting?" I innocently inquired.

"Rudy," he said.

Can you spell "cognitive dissonance"?

Sean Hannity spends hours every afternoon criticizing those in the GOP coalition (such as Dr. James Dobson) who won't vote for Rudy; sure Giuliani may be wrong on gay marriage and abortion, but he'll be much better than Hillary because he'll appoint "strict constructionist" Supreme Court justices, right?

More self-delusion. Bucking the tide by appointing judges with sufficient intellectual integrity to overturn Roe v. Wade is very hard. Ronald Reagan wanted to do it, and he got it right only once. Even President Bush put appointing his good friend Harriet Miers ahead of appointing a Sam Alito. Only when the base went ballistic did Bush back down, and only because he really is a conservative who cares about what conservatives think.
Rudy? Here's a safe bet: He will appoint a loyalist crony to the bench. When the base erupts, he'll tell the base where it can stick its objections. That's Rudy.

When he's on your side, you admire how fearlessly he will defend your views. When he's not on your side, he ruthlessly steamrolls over you. And on abortion? Don't kid yourself: Rudy is not on our side. continued...
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My question is: What is he counting on afterward? Because, frankly, Rudy's electoral prospects don't look that good.

The once-powerful Reagan coalition had three legs -- strong on defense, less government and social conservatism. But the war in Iraq is not the same as the war on communism. It's very unpopular, and Rudy has become as identified with this unpopular war as John McCain.

Meanwhile, he has abandoned social conservatism. What's left of the Reagan coalition for Rudy to run on? Naked fiscal conservatism? Conservatives are deluding themselves if they think fiscal conservatism by itself is a winning political coalition. Do they not remember the party of Gerald Ford? It was very fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and a permanent minority party.

The halo of "America's Mayor" is already slipping. For months, polls showed Rudy Giuliani leading Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head matchup, but by June of this year that lead had begun to evaporate. The latest poll, conducted in late September by ABC News and The Washington Post, shows Hillary Clinton beating Rudy Giuliani by eight points. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney trails Clinton in a head-to-head matchup in the latest Rasmussen poll by only nine points. One point better than Romney does not a convincing argument make for abandoning all principles.

And that's before Christian conservative leaders bolt the party, which has abandoned them on abortion, to run a third-party candidate.

A little political realism, please. If you think a candidate who breaks up the Republican Party is the best man to lead the nation, vote for Rudy. But don't imagine, it's going to be easy to elect him.

10:56 I can tell you are an evangelical extremeist by the term you use "pro abortion". No one I have ever known has been pro abortion. They may be pro choice, or they may think that you a complete stranger, or some legislator has no place in their private lives. No place in thier making tough decisions that they may want to make with the help of their family, spiritual leader or anyone other then the corrupt hypocritical legislators who are very busy tapping their toes in mens rooms. You say he is "pro Gay rights" He says what the majority of people feel on that issue, keep governemnt out of my life and he RESPECTS the CONSTITUTION. You cannot say you love America if you want to change the Constitution which protects all people, whther you like it or not. By the way, that happens to be a conservative Republican platform. Then you say he is "anti Gun", not true. He had a city of crime he had to clean up. He did. He brought back economic development and made the city flourish once again. Reasonable gun laws that most people agree with. I for sure hope, as a lifelong Republican who wants government out of my life, that the extremeist evangelicals follow Dobson to a new third party. They would get a dose of reality. That reality being, they cannot get anywhere on their own. They are not the majority of people and they would have gotten nowhere without riding on the tails of the real Republican base. We are tired of it.

Yeah, Romney! He's someone the Christian right can rally around. "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country." What a coincidence that Romney was able to utter that line in a campaign in liberal Massachusetts where it was going to help his campaign.

Check it out in the Governor's own words here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI&mode=related&search=Governor%20Mitt%20Romney%20Gay%20Marriage%20American%20Politics%20Traditional

Great line when Sen. Kennedy calls him "multiple choice."

11:15 Way to go! Right on target. Thank you Thank you Thank you. I am tired of this twisting of the Republican principles to suit the religious right to the detriment of everyone else.

11:17 that is the hypocrisy I am talking about.

The only people who are trying to hurt Rudy's candidacy is the evangelicals and of course Hillary. The Evangelicals (the extremeist faction, not all) have been allowed to invade the real Republican base, (this was done because the R's could not win with out a slight edge that these extremeist gave them). They figure they can try to win in th primary by getting the extremeist panderer of their choice. If they succeed the Republicans will lose to Hillary for sure. They figure if Hillary wins, this will energize their movement, and then they have a real good reason to squeeze their base for more money.

Social conservatism? When did this actually start? Go back to Goldwater's time and see what really makes a Republican a conservative. The religious right, the extremeist, not religious people in total, there is a major difference between the two, twists the Republican platform just as they twist the Constitution. It amazes me how some people will just follow and believe whatever they are told without ever checking to see if they are being told the truth.

Here's how it's gonna go down.

The GOP will realize, in this age of moderation, that too polarizing of a candidate is certain death in 2008. Thus, they will nominate Rudy, and likely overwhelmingly.

So as not to lose the south and the base voters, he will have to pick up a conservative Southerner on the ticket. That right now is likely Fred Thompson, but i think Mike Huckabee might be a great choice as well for this strategy. Huckabee is bright, comes across well in debate, and has truly solid conservative credentials.

On the otherside, I can't imagine anyone else even coming close to Hillary for the nomination. She seems to already be moderating her tone on foreign policy, likley b/c Bill has advised her on issues the other candidates are unaware (same for the current admin)...But, Hillary has an over 40% dislike rating among Americans, and if a Guliani/Thompson or Huckabee ticket on the other side happens, many GOP'ers will be motivated to show up simply to ensure she doesn;t win.

Hillary almost needs to pick up Obama to ensure the D faithful will also turn-out to the polls...But will their animosity during the primary race destroy any chance of that, and thus the White House?

Wrong, Rudy, will get murdered with a third party candidate who is Pro-Life.

Ahhhhhh… and I was so looking forward to an incestuous, cross-dressing, exploiter of American deaths… kind of President.

Hang in their freak… Judy Riuliani ’08!

11:49 Would you please do the rest of us, Republicans, a big big favor? Start a third party and leave us.

11:49 Ahh, you want another fake, "PRO LIFE" toe tapper. Isn't that the kind you consistantly support?

11:49 You mean the usual kind, the toe tappers, prostitute solicitors, and the plain old corrupt type are not good enough for you?

Meant 11:53 in last post

You all should self-taser yourselves. Pack of obnoxious jerks, left and right.

And here's a funny for you:

http://nymag.com/nymag/toc/cover_clinton_071008.jpg

10:56 AM
the fact of matter is, the child abusing, wife cheating, pedophile, value voters are not going to even have a say, for the next 50 years

11:44 AM
That is a WILD fantasy
get with it, America is sick of you Lying, cheating, wife abusing, children killing, hypocrites
you are all going down to defeat, for a long long time.

11:15, some things you can tell and some things you cannot. I did use the language of the extreme right, however, to prove a point about the front-runner for the Republican Party that the extreme right would have to support.

So let me get this straight. The extremists widely credited with the GWB victory in 2004 now have no place in a Republican Party whose frontrunners for the nomination have careers who have gone against the very fabric of the extremists? Ok, just checking.

I say to hell with all of you left-wing and right-wing-nut factions… I'm all for the "Extreme" middle

Hillary is going to win
with the help of W. Bush, Rupport Murdoch,Wall street, the oil companies, The CFR and the NRA!

"So let me get this straight."

Is that before or after you hand him the $20?

12:17 12:22 Now you lunatic extremeist are calling him a pedophile? You are totally out of your mind . You sound like you are rabid. That is what Americans are scared of. Much like the Al Queda antics. " Child abusing, Wife cheating" wow, you must know him personally to know that kind of information. Your handlers have preached that to you, and like a good soldier, you just drank the stuff and followed. Lets see, you guys support people CONSISTANTLY that say they HATE gays and are pro family values, but yet they get caught willing to pay strangers to give them BJ's in a park bathroom, your groups gave an A1 rating to a State Representative who was married with kids who paid a prostitute 22 bucks for a BJ in a parking lot, supported Sen Craig another bathroom sex solicitor and there is a list a mile long of the people you think are so righteous who continually show wher their family values are. You pretend to know each candidate personally and try to prepetuate lies and extortions on any one else but your own candidates of choice. Then you totally neglect the fact that most Americans have had marital problems and have been divorced. You and the lying hypocrites who tout are who we are sick of and the sad thing is you don't have a clue.

11:58 I am with you. I wish we could take our party back. They should go and start their own party. Good Riddance to them.

Did Rudy always answer his wife's phone calls? Something tells me that when he was married and dating one of his girlfriends, he probably let the calls go. Granted, that was when Rudy had a pre-911 frame of mind.

12:42, no one called him a pedophile, but your outrage is a nice touch. Anything else you'd like to mischaracterize and then get highly upset about?

This just in: Mike Huckabee now leads Rudy Giuliani in Iowa (a state that counts), according to the latest Des Moines Register poll. It’s by only one point 12% to 11%, but it’s significant in that it shows he is being considered a viable candidate there and that Giuliani is not really concerned about Iowa.

The extremeist who post here have no regard for the Constitution of this country. All they care about is what they believe. If you do not agree with them and their moral and religious beliefs, then you are worth nothing. Very much like the extremeist of the Middle East believe. The Constitution affords the same rights to ALL people in this country. Not just the ones that have a certain religion These poeple, the extremeist, want to take that right away, thus changing what America stands for. How very dangerous is that? They do this at the same time they are saying they love this country. What true hypocrites they are and they are indoctrinating their young to have these myopic and hateful ways. If the majority of people think they are just a little annoyance and feel they can ignore them, they better wake up. Your rights are in real jeopardy. In this country one has the right of religious freedom , to practice whatever religion one may have, or to not have any religion. These extremeist want you to take their religious beliefs over your own, or push them on people who do not have religious beliefs at all. That is not what America stands for.

12:45 what a short memory you have. Go back to the 12:17 post. Can't keep track of your rantings?

12:46 When is the Primary? I think there is enough time for so many changes to take place. I guess it depends on who's negative mailout will score points for which candidate?

Assuming you can read this clearly:

the fact of matter is, the child abusing, wife cheating, pedophile, value voters are not going to even have a say, for the next 50 years

the poster (not me) is describing value voters

12:30 No one kows what the heck you are ranting about. It is so obvious that the extremeist hang on the coat tails of the traditional R base.

12:58 Got it. My mistake.

True, but Rudy needs both to get elected. So do Romney, Thompson and McCain.

12:45 It is outrage that we need to see more of from the people who are trying to protect their rights in this country. Protect the Constitution from extremeist who would prefer to change it.

12:42 Don't forget the extreme religious movement supported the US Rep that liked little boys too.
They seem to have quite a track record. Someone should put a list together in chronological order to show the types of people that they have endorsed that have been either wife cheaters, corrupt, Gay, pedophiles etc. If we could see the list, it would come back to memory just how many there have been.

Judy Riuliani '08!

“We’ll trade you gay marriage… for an incestuous, cross-dressing, exploiter of American deaths Pervident!”

Love,

The Republicon Party