RNC ain't buying what Greer's selling

The RPOF chairman's statement after getting shot down today in a 121-9 vote: "While not surprised, I was disappointed that the full committee did not recognize the validity of Florida’s position that it is not in violation of the rule.  This is a long process and I continue to be confident that Florida will ultimately seat its full delegation.  I am appreciative of the members who supported Florida’s position and I look forward to continuing this dialogue in a respectful and cooperative manner. In the unlikely event that Florida’s delegation is reduced to 57 members, the Republican Party of Florida has adopted rules to ensure that Florida’s delegates to the convention have an influential and prominent role in selecting the Republican nominee.”   

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Greer got steamrollered. . . . 130 votes against Greer. . . .

How’s that crow tasting?

“…the Republican Party of Florida has adopted rules to ensure that Florida’s delegates to the convention have an influential and prominent role in selecting the Republican nominee.”

Sounds a bit like ol’ Jebba the Hutt’s “I’ve got a devious plan to deal with that” rhetoric.

WhoooHooo… Howie’s got a soul mate!

does this guy have down or something?

Greer has a memory problem --
Greer: “I’ve had several conversations with the RNC and they’ve been as clear as a blue day that if we move up before Feb. 5, their position today is we will lose 50 percent of our delegates.”

Wait until we find out that our rooms will be in Canada!

In 2000, the Dems claimed they were disenfranchised. Now everyone will be disenfranchised! Woo hoo!

oh, what happened to the original pic? Crack staff work. . .

[Conservagal]

That's twice now that he has been pushed around nationally. The first time when Greer's knees buckled over the issue of a straw poll at PIV. He couldn't handle the pressure after hearing the presidential candidates pitch fits and now this. The RNC is laughing at him.

Now, here is a little tid bit of information. Does anyone know who actually has the final say in picking the delegates who will attend now that this has happened? Not the Congressional districts, not the local people, not the delegates.....Godfather Greer will personally get to pick them. Surprise!!!!!

The delegates only have an "influential and prominent role" in selecting them, but he has the actual final say. The rule was adopted by RPOF recently after he proposed it (he saw his failure was imminent). Who would vote against it seeing how Greer can remove any of those people who voted on it for no reason?

Even when he is a failure for the state Republicans he still manages to power trip. God help us in the next election.

The Dems got “Punked”… the Repubs got “Bitz-slapped”… you all a bunch of nappy-headed hos... dats what it eeaaas!

Greer is making every effort to save the Republican party from itself...just because the Democrats are behaving like idiots doesn't mean the Republicans have to as well...oh well...at least our Chairman is standing up for what is right...assuming Republicans want to win in November...they do..don't they?

Good luck RNC, this is the largest state in Republican control and you will never, ever get one more dime from me!

Maybe Iowa and New Hampshire can make up the difference

greer is going to pick the best candidates to attend the convention on behalf of florida that represent the voters in our great state. he already knows that 100% of republicans want rudy to win so he is just going to pick rudy supporters. thats fair isnt it?

[Conservagal]

Godfather Greer is going to pick the best candidates to attend the convention on behalf of florida that represent his personal interests and those who bow to his greatness.

Just writing that truth makes me feel ill.

Carole Jean, get off the computer. You lost. Jim won. That's it.

[Conservagal]

Dear Jimmy (6:25PM),

I know that you would like to think that Carole Jean is your only critic. I hate to burst that over-inflated ego of yours (it may have been slightly deflated by the RNC smack-down), but your tyranny and your ineffectiveness are beginning to show and there are many of us who see what you are trying to do. You are not in it for the Republican Party but for yourself. Your inability to meet goals for PIV, uncontrollable spending in and off-election year, mass exodus of staff, and now with the RNC telling you you are an idiot puts you in a category of your own. How much defeat can you subject our Party to before you leave?

Sincerely,

"Not a CJJ supporter, but she was better than you!"

I think Greer's statement is good, he's working thru this and 06:36 pm dont know what state party you are talking about, but here in Florida, P 4 was great and succesful, I hear RPOF has passed it's fundraiseing goals and Rec's around the State including mine are saying Greer has done more good things for the Party in 10 mos then have been done in 10 years. Hey, your not one of those state committee members who dont do anything except cause trouble and are worried Greer might make you start working to elect republicans or force you out of the Party Leadership. I have spoken to several county chairman who have said Greer has brought more energy to our Party and fixing problems that CJJ never would even consider. My Rec and other's think Greer will be the best Chairman we have ever had.

You people are makeing to much out of this , Greer expected this.

You people are makeing to much out of this , Greer expected this.

7:01 you must live in Leon County..and work for the RPOF.

07:05PM, is right it's all part of the Game. Greer has to speak up for Florida each time. He's going to look like a Saint when the GOP get's all it's Delegates next year.

[Conservagal]

I attended PIV and it was anti-climatic. You are dead wrong about the fundraising, as a mater of fact I hear from a RPOF staffer that they actually had to readjust their fundraising numbers downward by 7 digits. I am not a state committee member and I am a heavy campaigner (from fundraising to door-to-door work).

Greer will not fundraise for candidates with opposition in races unless he is personally asked by the candidate as a favor. He won't make appearances without making sure the candidate owes him and is prone to cancelling them when he does commit.

One of the first things he did after becoming chairman was to have the legislature pass a law stating he can remove a county chairman, state committeeman, or state committeewoman for any reason he deems fit. Did he do that because he was so loved? Was it because he has their undying loyalty and cooperation?

He is ruling by fear within RPOF and since he can't do that nationally, he doesn't know how to function and is completely ineffective.

I too have spoken to several county chairmen and chairwomen. They very much question is ability and tactics behind closed doors, but would not dare say it publicly due to the fact that anyone who speaks out against him runs the risk of being removed. How very democratic of him.

I agree with 07:01PM and no I dont work for the RPOF, But I do happen to be a long standing member of the State Committee. I did not vote for Greer because Im not a fan of Governor Crist, but I do feel that Greer is doing an excellent job as Chairman. We get more information in a month from headquarters then we used to get in a year. He has motivated the Base with lots of energy and shown great leadership. I still dont like Crist but I, as many others have become big supporters of the Chairman.

Great, Conservagal is back, talk is you must be one of those lazy, trouble making Rec members that the New law is designed to get rid of. Also the task force Greer appointed to creat a list of responsibilities for State committee members is probably going to make you actually do something positive. Your not Karen A are you?. I love what Greer is doing it's shaking things up for the better.

07:17 PM,(Covservagal) Greer did 4 fundraisers just last week, including comming to Miami where I saw him and he did a great job, if you had any clue about what you were talking about, it might be worth something, but you dont. Now go back to causeing trouble at your local REC and doing nothing to elect republicans.

7:20 so you think sending out those blast emails qualifies him as running the state party? I think not. Get real. And all this HQ for a day really is for them to make sure you arent being disloyal. Watch your back, if they know you were one that didnt vote for Greer. Someone needs to run against this putz next time, and it doesnt have to be CJJ either. Just someone who run the party for the sake of the party not the governor's permanent campaign team.

[Conservagal]

So you admit that Jim Greer had a law passed to get rid of duly elected REC members just because he doesn't like them. And you don't see anything wrong with that? Are you crazy? Wait, are you Delmar?

The truth is:
1) Greer knew the only way he could become a party boss was through fear of removal so he had a law passed to accomplish this.
2) PIV was a disappointment and he caved when it counted by not having the straw poll.
3) He is spending money like water.
4) He has not hit his own fundraising targets for RPOF
5) He failed miserably in swaying the RNC.
6) He gets to decide which of his friends becomes a delegate, and he got that power through the use of #1. So much for the democratic process.
7) There has been a blood bath at RPOF headquarters, coincidence with 1-6? I think not.
8) He is failing to help the candidates that need it, but is more concerned with playing "godfather".

[The Republican Party]

Conservagal I admit it ,Please no more, YES YES , The law was passed to get NUT'S like you out of the party! Thank GOD

Greer is busting his a.. to make the Republican party better, and it's working. If you dont like it get out. The guy puts in more hr's in a week then CJJ did in a year! Im glad there is some type of law that allows the party to get rid of people like YOU. I hope Greer starts useing it, if he has not already. Thanks Chairman

[Conservagal]

Very sophisticated enlightening argument 9:53. Truth hurts or you can't defend his actions? Maybe a little of both since you have resorted to name calling as your only argument.

Please, Chairman Greer, Please, If there is a law that allows you to remove people like Conservagal, For God's sake do it soon!!!!! Oh by the way, your doing a great job as Party Chairman.

Greer has too much power and has taken too much of this power as his own personally rather than for the good of the party. One person should not have the authority to pick all the delegates and control them for three ballots and no one person should be able to get rid of RPOF members, precinct committee members, club members, etc. without cause or without any recourse or court of appeal for the individual being removed.

I bet Greer becomes the first Chairman to serve 3 terms.

In your dreams 10:29 or is it Jim Greer or Delmar blogging again.

Tom Slade served three terms.

You are giving Greer too much credit for 537. That was Charlie's idea. Remember, it is no coincidence that bill also contained the privisions that allow Charlie to run for Vice-President without having to resign as Governor (such as he is).

How much has Greer spent and on what to make the party better? Fundraising goals are nothing if it is spent like water and not there when needed.

I heard Cat Mccarroll was let go by RPOF I guess that is what happens when you speak your minf

[Conservagal]

Cat had some intelligence and independent thinking. Unless you kiss the ground Greer walks on, you are likely to be canned. The same goes for Republican county officials.

[Issywise]

National party officials deciding that votes won't count or will only half count is a horrible national passage.

Politics should not just be a game played by people employed at capturing and holding public power.

The democratic political process is supposed to be the means by which a free people determine governmental policy. As James Madison outlined it, democracy is a cycle of communication, with elected leaders educating the public by their conduct in office and the public instructing the leaders at the ballot box.

If political parties or even just their central committees can break that cycle in the name of party discipline--or for any other reason, then the cycle of democracy is broken for reasons far less important than the link between the governed and the governors should be in a democracy.

The vote must be the most important element in democratic decision-making; including the process to select party candidates. Everything else should accommodate itself to the expression of the sovereign peoples' will expressed in votes.

Here is an opportunity for improvement of our political system. State and Federal laws should be passed to 1) require political parties to count and count fully every primary vote, 2) Florida should make the point that the undue importance of the small non-diverse states that traditionally decide who will survive as party candidates is to be forever broken. Florida should adopt laws requiring that its primary be first next cycle. Do it ASAP and impose a new reality on those whose vocation is to seek power.

Perhaps Florida's insistence in law that the old system is dead will get the parties and the Congress serious about putting in-place a reasonable election system.

I hate to admit that Newt Gingrich had a good idea, but he seems to have outbalanced all his poor judgments over the decades with the simple proposal that the election period be legally shortened to just three or four months before the November election. Primaries should be concentrated into a few weeks with the election imminent, and rotated so no preferred states enjoys perpetual over-influence. Formal electioneering (campaign committee formation, collection of money) should be banned except during the election period.

Our leaders can then spend their time governing rather than pandering for promotion. The corruption inherent in the role of money in our elections could be diminished. Perhaps, the information transmitted through the news media would be enhanced by concentration of coverage near the time of decision.

I am waiting for Florida politicians--in Congress and in the legislature to stand up and take some offense at the voiding or halving of all of our votes; to propose programmatic corrections to be enshrined in our national tradition through the law. Only a few have shown themselves worthy of my vote next time, because--in my opinion, all other things pale in importance to the voiding of my vote by party hacks.

It is time to pay attention to what is most important for a change.

Congratulations Cat, you are free! Now go live your life and forget all these losers. They are their own cult.

[I-4N-I]

Wow this looks like a great opportunity for recruiting Republicans to the Democratic Party - lets hit the pavement and start mocking them about their new disenfranchisement by the national organization!

Why does the Republican Party hate white people?

fat man in a little coat

Greer and his Oompa Loompas need to check their egos.

8:49 - yeah, republicans are gonna be upset and pout like the little baby dems.

doubtful - simply because R primary candidates are coming to FL to campaign and not just stop off and type in their PIN for some quick cash as are the D candidates.

How much did Greer raise and spend? How much would have been saved if it were not for his travel expenditures - what would commercial have cost vs. private jets he used... or better yet, driving? How much was spent at Clydes on meals (yeah, the report said meals) for RPOF staff? How much was Greer's raise after he intimidated those who vote on such issues? Has he been sued yet?

Cat did a great job there at the RPOF. She is going to go on to much bigger and better things. Any time I called up there she was always a great help. If you ask me, I think they got rid of the wrong director in that department.

[I-4N-I]

9:38 My point being that nobody is going to change their affiliation based on these stupid maneuverings - but it was the (desperate) GOPs that initiated the ridiculous "let's exploit this issue" campaign in the first place.

You're obviously a GOP because you're either very very wealthy or you don't mind being the deluded tool of corporate greed, and I'm a DEM because I think someone needs to oppose you. This stupid primary issue isn't important enough to change that for either of us, right?

[terminator]

Greer and Crist's immaturity is starting to show.
These guys aren't ready for primetime.
As Florida's economy continues to sink, so will Crist and Greer's future in politics.
Don't be surprised to see a whole bunch of changes after the 08 elections.
Many incumbents won't be coming back due to their failure to deliver on property insurance and property tax cuts.
The recent tax cut plan is a joke which will do little to reignite Florida's struggling real estate market.
Crist is setting himself up for a primary challenge in 2010.
Sorry Charlie, no VP for you!

9:47,I completely agree with you. Cat was a Godsend, anytime I needed something she was the only one at RPOF that could get it done. I don’t think field operations will run without her.

I-4N-I Your post is sooo typical of what passes for thought in your party. You are a "DEM because I think someone needs to oppose you." And that is ALL the Ds stand for: contrariness. No ideas, no solutions, just naysaying. Voters don't buy negativity for its own sake. But then, if you could see that, you wouldn't be so out of touch with America.

Cat was the first and only person at RPOF who returned my calls or emails ever, a true professional. She will be missed but I am sure she will move onto a more mature working environment.

Poll just in, 10 out of 10 readers agree:

People shouldn't compliment themselves on blogs, it's tacky.

11:31 no actually this is the local rec folks who will miss having a capable person to work with.

11:42 OK, whatever.

But what makes you think that they were talking about you?

Usually the guilty are the first to defend themselves.

[I-4N-I]

10:54 I meant what I said literally. I am only a DEM to oppose Republicans. As for what would be beneficial to America, I think I have lots of good ideas, not necessarily DEM, but realistically, they all begin with step 1 - voting the willfully ignorant GOP corporate lackeys out of power, so that some meaningful change can take place. Admittedly, the GOP presents a much more united and consistent front than the DEMs, but then, I guess blatant self-interest is an easy concept for your lazy voters to grasp.

I-4N-I: Contempt for your fellow citizens also falls under the category of contrary.

I-4N-I
I think you just summed up yourself. If the only reason you are a Dem. is so you can oppose Reps., then to quote you, "I guess blatant self-interest is an easy concept for a lazy voter to grasp."
And guess what, pal, most of the Republicans I have know througout my life were not, and are not wealthy. In fact, to say they are upper middle class would be a stretch.
You really should come out of your hole and do some research, rather than just spouting party lines.

1:47 That's where ignorance and laziness come in. I can't condemn logic of the very very wealthy for supporting the GOP - they know who looks after their interests. But anyone else who votes GOP is just deluded. They may help you out with a little tax break here or there in order to buy your vote, but the ultimate, long term outcome of GOP policy will be to put nearly everything in the hands of the wealthy few. Unfortunately, coming to this realization requires overcoming the smoke and mirrors of the huge GOP spin machine, an effort that many voters are not willing to make.

Greer: “I think the RNC rules are going to be enforced and, from Florida’s standpoint, we recognize that the rules exist. We felt that moving the primary up outweighed any of the sanctions that would be imposed on Florida.” (Jim Davenport, “RNC Chief Says Home State Faces Early Primary Sanctions,” The Associated Press, 5/18/07)

It appears he needs to be refreshed on what he said in May.

Well, I guess the "all boys network - all the time" got rid of one of the few women at the RPOF. Has anyone noticed that all the key positions are Greer's "yes boys". Look at P4 the only women that got to have any part of the program was Greer's wife. Lisa Greer not only got to sing at the opening Luncheon she also was the host of the Legislator's Reception. How many women are State Committeewomen and Chairman around the state. Lisa Greer is a nice lady, but doesn't those that have worked hard and continue to work hard for the party deserve some recognition. Or did the RPOF get the old Clinton deal; two for the price of one.
I guess one female staff member Greer doesn't plan to get rid of is his new pretty assistant.

[Conservagal]

Greer is going to be the main cause of Florida getting decimated in Nov 08. He needs to resign now so someone can replenish the funds and turn off the RPOF money spicket. He needs to resign so we can move forward with fixing the law on removing county republican officials if they look at him the wrong way. He needs to resign so we can bring integrity back to this state in the eyes of the RNC. He needs to resign period. He has been and continues to be a failure for Republicans in this state.

12:28 - "How many women are State Committeewomen" - I hope they all are.

9:28 - "'How many women are State Committeewomen' - I hope they all are."

Actually, the answer to "How many women are State Committeewomen?" is a possible 67 women maximum could be Republican State Committeewomen.

"I hope the all are" is only an answer to "How many State Committeewomen are women?"

12:47 - man, you are funny. i mean, really funny.

Nobody is buying anything Republican. The corrupt, hypocrite leaders have killed the R party. Morons!

Conservagal, You need to resign, Your making us all sick, you know nothing about what's going on at RPOF and the counties. Greer is doing a great job, everbody is saying so!. So please for all of us, GET OUT of the republican party.

10:50 - If everyone who doesn't think like you should leave the party - there won't be much of a party left. Just because I don't agree with what Greer and Crist are doing, should I leave the Republican Party?

Be careful with your answer - you might be removed by Greer if he disagrees with you.

[Conservagal]

It's amazing to em that the only argument that the Greer supporters and the staff at RPOF can post is for me to get out of the party.

If he keeps up spending money like water and getting laughed at by the National Party, then he will render the Florida Republican Party useless. He can straighten this out, but I don't believe his ego will let him. He isn't in this for the benefit of the party, he's in it for the power that he is quickly losing.

Let me say it again, Greer is doing a great job. The party is doing well in Florida, Now Get out of the Party Please, nobody care's what you think!

[Conservagal]

What an intelligent argument 8:43, or should I say Delmar. It would be nice of Buzz to do a report on the IP addresses used to post responses from RPOF headquarters.