Evolution "academic freedom" bill gets nod

Rep. Alan Hays' bill -- the House version of Sen. Ronda Storms' measure -- cleared a House panel, reports our sister site, The Gradebook.

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[John Donson]

Great! Now we don't have to teach our children that politicians evolved from the human species!

[THE PEOPLE!]

STOP DIVERTING ATTENTION AWAY FROM YOUR LIES AND FAILURES, AND FIX PROPERTY INSURANCE LIKE YOU PROMISED!

The People:

I know it was a humorous post that suggested you change the structure of your posts. but I have got to admit that they do look and read alot better now

[THE PEOPLE!]

... it's only because I care.

now... STOP DIVERTING ATTENTION AWAY FROM YOUR LIES AND FAILURES, AND FIX PROPERTY INSURANCE LIKE YOU PROMISED!

PEOPLE, I've seen your posts over and over for months now, almost as long as PROBLEM SOLVED - what is the insurance solution you favor?

2+2=7

jay-sus tole me so!

its in the bible!!

wanna fight over it?

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seriously, back in the day, we used to say, "when someone moved to georgia from florida, the collective i.q.'s of both states went up!"

im not so sure about that today

i think georgia -- and likely a lot of other states -- are refusing admittance to "floridians" for fear they will contaminate their residents with terminalstoopidityandignorance!!

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION available in science!

got that, dimbulbs?

NO ALTERNATIVE IN SCIENCE!!

believe what you want about either or both of the TWO CREATION MYTHS in genesis....they are NOT SCIENCE but FAITH STATEMENTS!!

NO ONE was there to witness the "events"

NO ONE recorded them!

NO ONE!!

NO BODY!!

they are FAITH STATEMENTS not SCIENCE!!

how can you be so STOOPID??!!

please leave you incorrect and ignorant reading and understanding of the TWO CREATION MYTHS in genesis to your "churches" and out of the public schools!

get a good bible!!

get a good bible comentary and ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING instead of parroting what rev. billie-bob-ray sez every sunday -- when hes not changing tires at the fillin' station the rest of the week!!!!

[Observer]

This effort to approve teaching intellegent design and creationism in our schools is not only an embarrassment to the Republican Party but also the entire state of Florida. Kansas's efforts was a national joke. I guess we want to be next.

the state is broke and these asshats now want to commit the state to spending BIG$$$$ to LOSE any and all litigation about this!!

god bless the repiglican party of florida!

three generations of inbreeding has produced the finest morons on the planet!!!!

Hey!, there's my mom; the frog!

[Clarity]

Timmy: Mr. Wizard!

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy!

Timmy: My teachers say’s we evolved from fish, is that true?

Mr. Wizard: Why, yes it is Timmy.

Timmy: But we ate fish for dinner last night, does that wake me a cannibal?

Mr. Wizard: Why, yes it does Timmy. And if the nutjobs get their way, if you step on an ant, you’ll be charged with murder.

Timmy: Wow, things are getting pretty scary, huh Mr. Wizard?

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy, they are indeed. Now, go comb your fins.

[Lucidity]

Timmy: Mr. Wizard!

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy!

Timmy: My teachers say’s we evolved from monkeys, is that true?

Mr. Wizard: Why, yes it is Timmy.

Timmy: But we saw monkeys at the zoo yesterday, why didn’t they evolve like the rest of us?

Mr. Wizard: Well Timmy, first we let politicians run our School System, instead of people who care about our future. Then, along came the FCAT, graded by illegal immigrants to enhance profit… and then…

Timmy: … Wow, things are getting pretty scary, huh Mr. Wizard?

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy, they are indeed. Now, go play outside and be careful not to trip on your tail.

mr. wizard: timmy, do you know that human beings, chimps and bonobos share over 98% of the same dna?

why do you think that is?

mr. wizard: timmy, you are even dumber than a box of hammers!!

mr. wizard: timmy, do you know you have absoutely NO GRASP of science?

timmy: comparing yourself to monkeys insults the monkeys!

mr. wizard: timmy, do you know why your parents dont let you have real scissors?

[Zhombre]

Evolution is self evident. Reading the comments above indicates that humans are indeed descended from apes, and not descended that far.

Rhonda Storms: the Senate's new version of Kathryn Harris

There goes a few more house seats. Way to keep the eye on the ball, GOP.

[Perspicuity]

Timmy: Mr. Wizard!

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy!

Timmy: My teachers say’s we evolved in a science lab, is that true?

Mr. Wizard: Why, yes it is Timmy.
Timmy: But didn’t many horrible deceases and weapons of mass destruction evolve in a sciences lab?

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy, they did… but that brings death war and profit to the rich white people.

Timmy: … Wow, things are getting pretty scary, huh Mr. Wizard?

Mr. Wizard: Yes Timmy, they are indeed. Now, hand me that test tube over there, and I’ll make you a little brother.

[Truth Seeker]

2:45

You are correct that belief in creationism requires faith.

You are incorrect in your statement that evolution does not require science.

Darwin himself wrote that the proof for evolution would be fossils of species in transition. Those did not exist when he wrote but he was convinced that those fossils would be found.

It has been over a century and a half and over 250,000 fossils have been found but there are none of transitional species.

Fish fossils exist, and frog fossils exist but there are none of the leaf between the two that the tree of evolution claims should exists.

As any good scientist knows, science is proven and belief in something without proof is faith.

Your faith is placed in evolution.

Frankly, neither evolution nor creationism belong in a science classroom.

Why don't evolutionist buy a good science book and their own copy of Darwin's book and read them before they posted silly statements that make hick Christians look smart?

Truth Seeker - no need to depend on the fossil record to prove evolution. You can watch it happen in a petri dish. Just toss in some bacteria and an insufficient amount of antibiotics and wait a while.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."

Seneca the Younger

[TimeDilation]

Our students need the best science education available. However, critical scientific information on evolution is being witheld from our students.

Therefore, solid, scientific criticisms of the material on evolution, now being taught in our schools, can only be pointed out by teachers! Otherwise, students will be unable to think critically about life science/biology.

Even Darwin admitted that the fossil evidence for his "theory" of evolution was poor!

"Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking most closely all the species of the same group together, must assuredly have existed..." (Origin of Species, Chapter Six; see
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-char... )

However, it is not the case that these intermediates exist in the fossil record.

"...why is not every geological formation charged with such links? Why does not every collection of fossil remains afford plain evidence of the gradation and mutation of the forms of life? We meet with no such evidence, and this is the most obvious and forcible of the many objections which may be urged against my theory. Why, again, do whole groups of allied species appear, though certainly they often falsely appear, to have come in suddenly on the several geological stages?" (Ibid., Chapter 14; see
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-char... )

The several difficulties here discussed, namely our not finding in the successive formations infinitely numerous transitional links between the many species which now exist or have existed; the sudden manner in which whole groups of species appear in our European formations... Those who think the natural geological record in any degree perfect, and who do not attach much weight to the facts and arguments of other kinds even in this volume, will undoubtedly at once reject my theory.(See Chapter Nine:
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-char...

Unfortunately, time has not been kind to Darwin. Alleged transitional forms remain rare, even after 100+ years of research.

The book, "The Panda's Thumb," is by the late, renowned Harvard paleontologist, Dr. Stephen Jay Gould.
One of the chapters in Gould's book is called "The Erratic Pace of Evolution," which offers an honest appraisal of the lack of evidence for evolutionary change in the fossil record.

Gould says,"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their braches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils." (The Panda's Thumb, pg. 181)...

"Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study." (Ibid., pg. 182)

The Florida Standards read,in every grade level, e.g., "SC.4.N.1.7 Recognize and explain that scientists base their explanations on evidence." If, as Gould insists, and Darwin agrees, the fossil evidence for ancient evolution is so bad, why is evolution touted as a proven scientific theory in our standards and our textbooks?

Are opponents of this bill afraid that students will find out the truth, think critically and have a more realistic and skeptical view of the naturalistic theory of evolution?

The Glencoe textbook on "Life Science," used by most Florida schools for seventh graders says, "Most of the evidence for evolution comes from fossils." (pg. 164) If the evidence for the evolution of ancient life comes from fossils, and the fossil evidence is "rare" and "bad," as Darwin and Gould insist, then the evidence is in need of criticism!