How to push Clinton out

If Obama wants to eliminate one of Clinton's last rationales for staying in the race, and if he wants to curb the considerable skepticism about his interest and ability to compete in America's biggest battleground state, he should start mending Sunshine State fences and speak out about counting Florida's votes.

"That could potentially open the floodgates for superdelegates to come on board if he was that gracious and that comfortable in his inevitability to win the nomination,'' said Bob Buckhorn, a Democratic consultant in Tampa who backs Clinton. "It would go a long way to ease the anger that remains over Florida's votes not counting."

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I have been a staunch Democrat my entire long life. I will not vote for Barrack Obama in Nov if he is our nominee. My no vote, will be against Obama for not wanting to count the 1.8 Million Americans from Florida that went to the polls on Jan. 29th, and I will not give one more dime to the Democratic National Committee, of which I have supported for 30 years.

Congratulations Sen. McCain, I guess you can start measuring the windows in the Oval Office for curtains.

[Typical White Person]

Barack Obama is dead weight that will guaranteed the democrats lose to John McCain in November. He has very low support from white blue-collar workers + his racist remarks "typical white person" + his bad judgment on the Jeremiah Wright situation + "bittergate" + his relationship with an admitted terrorist in Chicago + dealing with Rezko + Michelle Obama's comments about first time being proud of America and how America is mean WILL DOOM THE DEMOCRATS AGAIN.

I know I will never vote for Obama no matter what. If he gets the nomination & loses the general election to McCain, Hillary could run again in 2012.

There is no way I can ever forgive the party for the way they ruined this election for me. Presidential elections are every four years. I was looking forward to having a democrat in office. I was excited. Ready to campaing. They have ruined this election and now we will probabl loose it. Thanks to the petty little states and "Dean the Dope". I can't bring myself to vote Republican but I can just not and will not vote for Oboma. They better figure out what will happen in four years because Florida is more important and will not be caving into less important, less populated and just because we want our name mentioned states

Wow. The GOP staffers are up and posting mighty early.

That is the only explination for someone thinking that any DEM would choose 4 more years of GWB or worse by voting for McSame. Nice try.

The GOP is in free-fall. Look at the special election in the bayou. Nation wide there will be a groundswell of DEMs winning from the top of the ticket to the bottom!

I mean, why else would the chair of the RNC be telling their congressional candidates that "they are on their own." And that the RNC "doesn't have the funds to support their down-ticket races."

It is going to be a rough season for the R's!

Floridians & Michiganers, send a strong message to the DNC & Howard Dean.
Vote for McCain! Tell them we will not stand for Obama.

Hillary in 2012 to run again?

The DNC should have had a rotating primary so every state have chance to have early primaries.

THIS IS THE DNC & HOWARD DEAN'S FAULT.

[rjm]

Obama is the 2008 GWB - no real experience, extremely partisan political record yet states that he is bipartisan/post-partisan; he's all hat no cowboy.

[rjmISonCrack]

obama is partisan?? that is nonsensical rjm, he draws in indies like moths to a flame

[Genuine Blue Voter]

I have yet to meet an angry person. Lots of pols and media types blathering, though. I will vote anti-Bush regardless.

Ha Ha Ha, these Republican staffers are absolutely wetting their pants over Obama. That decides me. Obama/Clinton 2008 Dream Team!

[Strange But True Florida Facts]

The GOP ship is already sunk, and yet they can't stop mocking the DEMs because they've got TWO potential Presidents to choose from!

7:52

I TOTALLY see what you are doing there, truly hilarious. You call him McSame because it rhymes with McCain, in hopes people will associate McCain (who you call McSame, same entity)with Bush. This is really one of the better play on words I have ever seen. Its kind of like Obama sounding very similar to Osama (as in Bin Laden).

Keep it up!

Obama is already starting to pick up Florida superdelegates. Dan Gelber just endorsed Obama on Wednesday.

7:52 I TOTALLY see what you're doing there too, and I have to say that I appreciate the strong but concise message it conveys:

McCain = BUSH III = McSame

No need for long-winded arguments over the finer points of domestic or foreign policy that no one will read. GOPers just lie, spin and swiftboat anyhow. Stops any GOP argument dead in its tracks. It's just that simple - If you want four more years of the BUSH disaster, then vote for McSame.

9:01 - Thank you for confirming that your party can't debate Republicans on ideas, so you must resort to name calling and other childish tactics.

9:04 - Thank you for confirming that your party can't debate reality or ideas, so you must resort to fear, arogance, and other terrorist tactics.

9:04 No need to debate, that's the point. We've had 8 years of proof that your policy just doesn't work.

You want debate on new issues, find a presidential candidate who doesn't support the Bush administration's disastrous policies.

Obama will be our candidate and like all candidates, he comes with both good and bad. Nobody's perfect.

But he has far greater potential than McCain. We already know how those policies don't work.

[Flagophile]

80% of Americans feel the country is going in the wrong direction. Healthcare, the economy and the war in Iraq are their biggest concerns.

Q: Mr. McCain, how will your economic policy differ from Bush's?

A: My friends, I don't understand the economy that well and I need to study it a bit more. That said, I would like to continue Bush's tax cuts and increase corporate tax cuts.

Q: Mr. McCain, we know that the "100 years" comment has been taken somewhat out of context. However, how much longer would you stay in Iraq assuming the US continues to sustain casualties?

A: I am a military genius because I fought in Vietnam. That said, as long as the generals tell me.

Q: What if they tell you 100 years?

A: Umm... I don't know. Until the job is done.

Q: Isn't that Bush's policy?

A: I fought in Vietnam! I fought in Veitnam! I was captured! I fought!

*Vietnam

[Buzzard]

Oh, for the love of...would you get OVER it already. Just fix the mess you made, accept Obama as your candidate and move on. Your constant whining has become annoying.

10:10 Right, and we'll fix the much bigger mess you've made, as well.

Idiot at 7:52... 7:23 here. I have never been nor will I ever be a Republican. Grow up and realize that we the Democrats of Florida are Mad as Hell! I will only go to the courthouse (for early voting here in Tallahassee) to cast my vote against the Gay Marriage Ban and to vote for all Democrats running in Local and State races. But I will boycott this Presidential election if Obama is the nominee. He does not want my Primary vote to count so he will not get my General election vote. But, neither will McCain.

Fagophile--Which branch of the military did you serve in?

[Flagophile]

Hahahaha...

I get it. I get it. "Fagophile," is a play on words. If only that were the first time that I had read that kudos would certainly be in order.

I have not served in the military but I don't see how that is at all relevant to this discussion.

7:23 and 10:22 here... Hello, anyone care to look up my affiliation who works for the FDP, here is my voter reg. # 105049279. I was a voting member of the Leon Co. Democratic Executive Committee and the North Florida Democratic Club for years. Idiots at 7:52 and 11:00 Believe what you want, but you will soon see the backlash, of Obama blatantly not wanting our votes to count.

It is enormously hard for me to sit back and allow a Republican to win FL. But again, as I stated earlier. Sen. Obama does not respect my Primary vote and will not get my General election vote. And any DNC staffer that may be monitoring these forums. You too have my permission to verify my idenity.
You will not get anoter dime. However, I will continue to give to the DCCC and the DSCC... but never again to the DNC!

11:13 I looked up your info and it says you're Rush Limbaugh!

11:20, You are a fool.

A real Democrat believes in Democracy.

Meaning count every vote!

11:13 & 11:23 haven't the first damn clue what "Democrat" or "Democracy" mean.

You are both either complete self-serving idiots... or Hillary staffers.

That's right pinheads, vote for McSame... that'll show us, huh!

... freaking morons

Yeah! Count every vote! Count Michigan also!

They both agreed to forfeit the game, she showed up, he didn't, she won fair and square. If we don't pretend that it was a fair election and count those votes, democracy has failed.

Democracy failed when your gal Hillary SIGNED THE PLEDGE! Lack of trust showed up when your gal Hillary TRIES TO PRETEND SHE DID NOT!

btw, dipstick... where were you when the boneheads in Tally Town pulled this off.

Shut your pie-hole and vote in November like the rest of us.

Count Florida's votes! Hillary won fair and square!

They agreed not to practice before the big game because it wouldn't count, she had been playing longer so she was a bit better, he needed some practice and could have improved some, she won fair and square. It should count just as if he had spent weeks practicing.

Anything else would be undemocratic.

Hillary may be down, but she is by no means out. She still as of today is leading in Super Delegates. This Tuesday May 13 West Va. goes to the polls and Hillary is leading by 28 pts. there. Then on Tuesday May 20th Kentucky goes to the polls and Hillary is leading by 36 pts. there. She is also ahead by nearly 30 pts. in Puerto Rico. Oregon, South Dakota and Montanna are tossups with Hillary more than likely taking 2 of those 3.

To sum it up Hillary will win 5 of the remaning states. And win by huge margins in 3 of the remaining states.

Florida and Michigan will count... as per the DNC rules state "No State can be stripped of more than 50% of it's Delegation"

Neither candidate can reach the magic number (2,025) of total delegates. So, the party nominee will be chosen by the Super Delegates. The Super Delegates #1 concern will be Elect-ability, and all polls are showing Hillary as the best candidate to challenge McCain in Nov.

Shouldn’t you Hillary hacks be out raising money for your candidate, so she can save some of her personal millions… that “average” gal o’ mine!

[Flagophile]

11:23,

Do you believe, and can you prove, that Hillary would have won MI and FL by the same margins if Obama's name would have been on the ballot and if he had campaigned in FL?

Obama/Clinton Clinton/Obama

Either one beats McSame.

11:40 you are the "freaking moron".

Democracy means: Of the People, BY THE PEOPLE and For the People.

The middle part of that phrase refers to the people electing our representives.

All the people, in all 50 states, not 48 states.

11:51... Obama is the only candidate that did campaign in FL. He ran a campaign ad for, the full week prior to Jan 29th. And his name WAS on the ballot in FL.

Another thing Sen. Obama choose to remove his name from the ballot in MI. There were no rules stating that he must do that. Which shows me that Hillary makes much better decissions. If he knew the rules, if challenged would only legally be able to strip a state of 1/2 it's delegates.

[Flagophile]

12:04,

Great story, Hansel. Answer my question.

Unless you can prove that, it would be "undemocratic" to count the votes according to those results.

Beyond that, even if we count FL, Hillary would still trail in pledged delegates and popular vote.

We still have 6 state yet to vote. And the total of the votes cast in FL and MI will add to that. The main issue that you can't seem to grasp is that this primary election will be determined by the Super Delegates of which there are over 250 uncommitted as of today. And, all have stated that they will wait until all the primary's have been held (after June 3rd) and a determination of how to seat the FL and MI delegations, which will be decided by the rules and credentials committee when they meet on May 31st.

[Flagophile]

Fine.

First of all, every single political pundit has determined that she cannot get ahead of Obama in pledged delegates or popular vote unless she wins the remaining primaries by roughly 65% each. That is impossible.

Second, if you are suggesting that the superdelegates can override the will of the voters and cast ballots for Hillary because THEY feel that she is more electable, despite the fact will be traililng in popular vote AND pledged delegates, then lets simply eliminate the primary process and allow superdelegates to decide who our nominee will be based on who they think is best qualified.

Flag, your arguments are good, but I think you're just helping the desperate GOP staffers to create controversy. It's their only hope, and I'm sure they've got their "pose as disenfranchized DEMs" talking points already handed to them.

11:59, (aka: self-serving idiot... or Hillary staffer)

Answer me this, dipstick...

WHY DID YOUR BOSS SIGN THE PLEDGE...?

WHY IS SHE PRETENDING TO GIVE A SH*T ABOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN NOW...?

WHERE WAS SHE WHEN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN PULLED THIS STUNT...?

WHAY ARE YOU BLOGGING INSTEAD OF RAISING MONEY FOR HER SO SHE AND BILL CAN KEEP THE "average people" MILLIONS...?

... you moronic simp!

She could very well take 65% of the popular vote in the remaining states.

Google West Virgina Democratic Primary, Kentucky Democratic Primary and Puerto Rico Democratic Primary to see the polling data.

And yes, with the way the DNC rules are written, when there is no presumptive nominee (by means of accumulating the total of 2025, pledged and super, delegates needed.) The rules state that the Super Delegates would then hold the power to cast their votes for the best canidate, that would likely win the general election.

I don't make the rules, the DNC does.

Like I’ve told you nicklesticks for months;

The Hillary Klan will steal this from Obama, which will result in putting Lil’ Johnny Napoleon in the White House and turn millions of Democrats into Independents in one fell swoop.

oh, and 1:03... there really is no such thing as Santa Claus!

1:03 The 4 state pledge,that all the primary candidates signed. Was a pledge to not campaign in any state that held their primary before Feb.5th (super tuesday.) However, Sen. Obama did break the pledge in FL when he ran his campaign ad on CNN from Jan 21st thru Jan. 28th (a full week.) They were not required to take their names off of the ballot.

The DNC rules state that after all the states have held their primary's, the rules and credentials committee would vote to seat all or a portion or none of those rogue states delegates. Except that they never incorportated into the rules that a state could lose all of it's delegates.

So, the option to seat all of or a portion of the FL and MI delegations has always been on the table.

Sen. Obama advisors did not serve him well when they suggested that he remove his name for the MI ballot.

1:12,

WHY DID YOUR BOSS SIGN THE PLEDGE...?

WHY IS SHE PRETENDING TO GIVE A SH*T ABOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN NOW...?

WHERE WAS SHE (and you) WHEN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN PULLED THIS STUNT...?

...anyone... anyone... Bueller... Bueller... Bueller...

She didn't break the pledge numb nuts, Obama did! She didn't campaign here, she followed the rules hoping the in the end that the delegations would be seated as has always been an option.

The FL Democratic Party ran ads in FL advising all Democrats to go to the Polls in Jan. 29th and vote. That our State party would appeal to the credentials committee after the primary season.

I can't help it if Obama's campaign strategists are not as good at stategy as Clinton's.

[Flagophile]

1:31,

I don't care who writes the rules. The fact is that whoever has the most votes wins.

You and your ilk should be ashamed of yourselves for suggesting that you can override the will of the voters simply because you believe that the losing candidate is more electable.

You and the rest of Hillary's surrogates who make this argument are pathetic.

The Hildabeast and her hacks will destroy the Democratic Party.. so let it be written; so let it be done!

She signed the pledge numb nuts, Obama did too! She didn't campaign here, she followed the rules hoping that in the end, her hacks would strong arm the S-Delegates into her corner.

The FL Democratic Party ran ads in FL advising all Democrats to go to the Polls in Jan. 29th and vote. That our State party would appeal to the credentials committee after the primary season. Then again, our State Party is run by a Republican consultant.

I can't help it if Obama's campaign strategists folowed the rules, nor can I help it if Hillary lies.

Open the airplane door and say to her "Obama is flying a plane with a banner saying he is exiting the race." As she gets close to the door, all it will take is a little nudget to push her out.

She will have the popular vote when FL is counted and MI is split. Not to mention the remaining 6 states that have yet to hold their primary contests.

It is unbelievable how the Obama babies (1st time voters) think that Democracy only works if you can disenfranchise 3.5 Million American Citizens in 2 of the Nations largest states.

PS The FL & MI Democratic parties did not change the date of our primaries. The legislatures in both states did.
In FL it was an amendment that was added into the Bill requiring all voting machines produce a paper trail. Maybe we should have killed that bill and let Diebold and Sequoria et al choose our next president... who knows they probably would somehow re-elect Dumbya.

One thing is for certain. The Obama people beat the Clinton people in low life gutter talk! Nice----really nice low life!

One thing is for certain. The Clinton people beat the Obaba people in low life corporate puppet and politican BS! Nice----really nice low life Hillary Hacks!

Obama/Clinton Clinton/Obama

Either one beats McSame.

She will not have the popular vote when FL is counted and MI is split. Not to mention the remaining 6 states that have yet to hold their primary contests.

It is unbelievable how the Hillary Hacks (last time voters) think that Democracy only works if you can lie to the people and pretend to care after you signed the pledge.

PS The FL & MI Democratic parties did not change the date of our primaries. The legislatures in both states did.
In FL it was an amendment that was added into the Bill requiring all voting machines produce a paper trail.

Maybe we should have killed that bill and let Diebold and Sequoria et al choose our next nominee... who knows they probably would somehow choose the liar.

McCain/Rice...McCain/Powell...McCain/Anybody.

They all beat Osama Obama.

[Flagophile]

2:09,

Please show me one calculation that shows her winning once FL is counted.

That is a flat lie.

2:53 Powell???

He's bailed on Bush for using him for the Iraq war setup. Is he actually considering McSame?

Flag... that's what the Hillary Cabal does well… LIE!

McSame/Anybody... will lose to anybody, including my goldfish.

"McCain/Rice...McCain/Powell...McCain/Anybody. They all beat Osama Obama."

Hahahaha… Give me a break. McSame’s three-piece suit consists of slacks, a jacket, and a pair of Depends. Dude needs a teleprompter to give his Stepford wife’s name.

[Noneya Biz]

Flag: Thanks for making me do some homework.
But, Here you go, THE REAL MATH!

Popular Vote (with FL and MI)
Obama Clinton

16,502,485 16,415,202
= Obama leads by 87,283

West Virginia has 665,234 registered Democrats. Clinton is polling ahead of Obama by 28 pts. in WV. Depending on turn out, this state alone can easily put her over the top.

Kentucky has 1,629,845 registered Democrats. Clinton is polling ahead of Obama by 36 pts. in KY.

Not to mention that Hillary is polling 30 pts ahead of Obama in Puerto Rico and is also ahead in Montana and South Dakota. Obama is polling ahead in Oregon by 6 pts.

Now Remember that the DNC sanctions only penalize our delegate count. The sanctions do not in anyway reduce the total popular vote count, in any state including FL & MI!

But, let me say this.

The MSM is so in love with Obama that they CAN effect the turn out in the late states. And that would be a great diservice to our Nation.

We need to relax and let the entire primary process play out. So, that for the first time since 1968, all the states in will have a say in who the Democratic Nominee will be. I for one think that is awsome.

Yeah... and the tooth fairy gave me a nickle for my tooth last night!

1:12,

WHY DID YOUR BOSS SIGN THE PLEDGE...?

WHY IS SHE PRETENDING TO GIVE A SH*T ABOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN NOW...?

WHERE WAS SHE (and you) WHEN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN PULLED THIS STUNT...?

...anyone... anyone... Bueller... Bueller... Bueller...

I thought you were a younster... thanks for clearing that up for me, snaggletooth.

What age group you favor sexually, is none of my damn business... whiteteeth!

...ewwwwwwwwwww

3:44

Your comments should be purged by the admistrator of this forum. Grow up!

[Noneya Biz]

It is very telling... the lack of maturity that the supporters of Obama have. As well, as a lack of knowledge of the actual events and rules pertaining to the Democratic Primary thus far.

[Flagophile]

Noneya Biz,

Explain your math. First, you are counting registered Democrats not likely voters.

It is very telling... the lack of intellect that the supporters of Clinton have. As well, as a lack of integrity it takes to sign a pledge, then avoid lying about it. Whoa; DUCK! … sorry, sniper fire I guess.

3:49

Your ignorance should be purged by the Democratic Party. Wake up!

I think Hillary is hot!

[zenator]

There have been many divisive Rep and Dem primaries over the years. Sometimes, the nominee succeeds in bringing the party together in the general election. Sometimes not.

From today's vantage point, who knows. My own sense, for what it is worth, is that Hillary will have a hard time healing her rift with African American voters, if Obama gets screwed at the convention. But, I could be wrong.

Flag: good question. Answer me this... when is the last time that KY and WV had a chance to determine the outcome of a Presidential Election? The answer is 1968, prior to that WV was the swing state that put JFK into the WH.

Now, to answer your question. As political and Democratic as WV is, I believe that turnout will be above 50%, especially if the weather is nice and I believe they have early voting there as well (Same goes for KY.) In case you did not hear, Obama is skipping these two states and is only running media ads.

Also, the campaigns get a list of super voters from the Supervisors of Elections for each district and targets those voters through the GOTV effort.

We shall know soon enough how things go in the Mountain State by early this Tuesday night.

Zenator, How do you think the working class whites and women (the two demographics that turn out the vote) will react if Hillary is not the nominee. These are the same Reagan Democrats that put GW Bush in the WH in 2000.

4:03

The FL Dems ran ads, promising to fight for our delegates to be seated at the convention.

THE PLEDGE WAS TO IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, SOUTH CAROLINA AND NEVADA. NOT TO THE DNC.

The pledge was to not campaign before FEB 5th! Obama broke the pledge!

Nothing in the pledge said anything about our delegates or our votes being counted.

Regardless of who the Dem nominee is, our country would be freaking insane to put McSame in office. He's Bush, Part III.

Lighten up folks, all will be just fine once McSame faces either Hillary or Obama in an actual (no teleprompter) debate. Once this happens, it's game over for Lil' Johnny Napoleon.

When asked his thoughts on econimics, he's more likely to recite the blue-plate special and Morrisons and talk about the pretty ducks in his back yard.

WHY DID HILLARY SIGN THE PLEDGE...?

WHY IS SHE PRETENDING TO GIVE A SH*T ABOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN NOW...?

WHERE WAS SHE (and all of you) WHEN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN PULLED THIS STUNT...?

...anyone... anyone... Bueller... Bueller... Bueller...

Obama declared today that he will in fact not fight the seating of the FL and MI delegates... It's about time.

Count Florida’s votes as votes, split Florida’s Delegates 50/50, discount Michigan’s inequitable Primary completely, split Michigan’s Delegates 50/50, fire Howeird Dunce, kick the Republican consultant (Thurmadrunk) to the curb while you’re at it, and vote every incumbent out of office at your first available opportunity.

Problem Solved!

Obama declared today that he will in fact not fight the fact that Hillary lies... It's about time.

[Flagophile]

Noneya Biz,

Are you kidding!!!

You said that Obama is winning the popular vote by 87K. That is ridiculous!!!

Please visit realclearpolitics.com. Obama is currently ahead in the popular vote by over 700K votes. If you count FL, he is still ahead by over 400K votes.

Please stop posting lies. It appears that Hillary's Bosnia-bug is contagious.

It's over.

I said the Popular vote counting FL and MI...

From Real Clear Politics :

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 16,502,485 47.9% 16,415,202 47.6% Obama +87,283 +0.25%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Flagophile... from my earlier post

"Flag: Thanks for making me do some homework.
But, Here you go, THE REAL MATH!

Popular Vote (with FL and MI)
Obama Clinton

16,502,485 16,415,202
= Obama leads by 87,283"

Please learn how to read english, before calling someone liar.

After the coming landslide in Puerto Rico, Hillary will be leading the popular vote

[zenator]

4:31 PM

Good question. Wish I knew the answer. My own sense is that there is merit to the Clinton argument that Obama may encounter rough sailing in the general. Obama has done well in caucus states, but not so well in popular elections in states lacking a high percentage of African American voters.

It is not politically correct to say it. But, the truth is that Obama's current base is African American and, to a lesser extent, under 25 year old voters.

For example, in North Carolina, 30% of the Dem primary voters were AA and Obama carried 90% of that group. This means that about 27% of the popular vote that went to Obama came from AA voters.Since Obama carried 56% of the popular vote in NC, it means that about 48% of those Dems voting in his favor were AA.

I am sorry that I don't recall the percentages of the under 25 voting segment, but I suspect that it was his next highest demographic. It is hard to recall because that group overlaps with college educated voters, which is typically the group described by the media as his second largest block of voters.

[Flagophile]

Noneya Biz,

Did you read all the way down and consider that MI gives Clinton over 320K votes and Obama ZERO votes because his name was not on the ballot.

Are you serious? Did you also consider that when you count IA, NV, ME, WA, Obama is up by close to 200K votes?

Nice math.

It's over. Obama beat her fair and square. He took down a political giant and he will be the Democratic nominee.

She will stay in until June 3 to save face and Obama will let her make a gracious exit.

Zenator - So you think a significant number of those that voted for Hilary over Obama will jump to McCain? Is that your argument? Obama hasn't run against a GOP. I'm - LOL, LOL.

Flag, FL will be counted in Full Delegation and popular vote count. MI will be counted for 1/2. No where was it ever written by the DNC or the Pledge to the 4 states that Obama or any other candidate should remove their name from the Ballot in MI. That was a big mistake for Obama. But, it appears he will get a good amount of the delegates there. He was polling behind Clinton and Edwars in MI however.

Here is a link to the the polling in the upcoming 5 states and Puerto Rico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008

As you can see he is getting creamed in 5 of the 6 upcoming contests, by no less than 20% and as much as 40% in KY and PR.

Oregon has 6 polls listed and each is leading in 3.

This Election is FAR from over!

Sorry,

I meant "as much as 40% in KY and WV" Puerto Rico he is up by more than 20%.

And, he is down in 4 of the 6... Oregon in a split.

He is however leading in South Dakota.

Hmmmmm, I didn't know they had any Democrats in SD.