Palin, McCain to Florida soon

Rep. Adam Putnam, R-Bartow, tells the Buzz that the GOP presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, and his winsome running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, should be coming to the Sunshine State soon: McCain is expected in the Tampa Bay area "in couple of weeks," while Palin is expected to visit the Jacksonville area next month.

Putnam says he expects Palin to campaign in Florida a good bit and that constituents back home in Polk County have all kinds of questions about her:

"'Have you met her? What's she like? Is she coming to Central Florida? We'd love to meet her,'" Putnam recounts. "I mean, ah, you know, she's a, a ..."

Buzz: "She's a celebrity!"

Putnam laughs. "She's a valuble addition to the ticket."

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Comments

You mean our next Ag Commissioner Putnam? Then we can at least send JD north a few years early!

Their is but one question that will expose this fraud and sink the ticket for good:

So tell me VP Nominee Palin… what would you have done if your teenage daughter made the choice to not have the b-stard child?

If any journalist has the stones to ask that question and not accept a sound-bite “she wouldn’t make that choice” answer… this fantasy is over.

Why else would Alexander spend over $1 million against some loser realtor from Winter Haven who no one knows? I guess he wants to be called Congressman Alexander.

[Brenda]

I am travelling to Jacksonville to see her. She brings such excitement to the ticket.

You are welcome anytime Mrs. Next Vice President.

Because of Palin,
The Demo's are bailin

[Citizen of the World]

4:33 P.M. There is no "their" there.

hey 4:33, to bad your mother made the choice she did. fool!

[EXCLUSIVE: GOV. SARAH PALIN WARNS WAR MAY BE NECESSARY IF RUSSIA INVADES ANOTHER COUNTRY]

EXCLUSIVE: GOV. SARAH PALIN WARNS WAR MAY BE NECESSARY IF RUSSIA INVADES ANOTHER COUNTRY:

A vote for McCain/Palin means a vote for Nuclear War and the end of life as you know it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1

[Susan S]

Mayor Sarah Palin made ra*e victims pay for their own ra*e kits.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/52266.html

VP candidate Sarah Palin is ready to go to war with Russia. Hooray! More War, More War, More War!!!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/215931.php

Democrat partisans and Daily Kos clowns like Susan S. will lie & slander Sarah Palin until the cows come home but Florida will go for McCain and there isn't a da*mn thing a harpie like Susan can do about it.

The desperation, and the sheer ugliness, of the zealots like Susan S. is going to reach a fever pitch as it becomes apparent Obama is going to lose in November.

Can't wait for Sarah to come to Florida. Please make sure Tampa Bay has a stop.

FLORIDA LUVS SARAH!!!!

Sarah only said that she welcomed Georgia and the Ukraine into NATO and as a member of NATO the other countries agree to defend them from foreign attacks. Not exactly warmongering.

The lefties like Susan S are losing it. Palin has them off their game.

Heck I say go to war too, if Russia attacks NATO, which would likely never happen. Obama would answer the exact same way or risk having Russia invade England, France perhaps even the United States in the future.

SO IS THIS YOUR HEADLINE TOO, SARAH?:

OBAMA ALLOWS RUSSIA TO INVADE NATO GEORGIA, UNITED STATES MAY BE NEXT.

[True Blue]

BEWARE: THE OLD MAN AND HIS NEW SIDEKICK COMMETH TO TAKE YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OFF TO DIE IN A WAR!!

Nice overhyping by a left-wing loon that reads FAR left wing blogs, Susan.

She was talking about as part of NATO - we are part of NATO and will do as NATO decides.

You dems are REALLY grasping. I'm sorry for you that the country has woken up to realizing Obama is a fraud.

The Dems should have chosen Hillary and may indeed, have to force Obama off the ticket.

WOW!!, Sarah was great on her first interview on ABC with Charlie Gibson.

She was firm and knowledgable of all foreign matters.

[Ann]

Sarah Palin just hit the ball out of the park with her 1st interview.
The elite media tried to stump her but to no avail.

Booyah!

"'Have you met her? What's she like? Is she coming to Central Florida? We'd love to meet her,'" Putnam recounts. "I mean, ah, you know, she's a, a ..."

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This is a key spokesman for the Republicans in the U.S. House?

[Gator(R)]

Big stretch from saying we should support a potential NATO partner if it is invaded by Russia, to advocating nuclear war with Russia.

Having said that, it appears to be the point of participating in such treaties is to support ones partners and expect support from ones partners in such an event; otherwise it is disingenous to sign on.

I fully agree rap* victims should not pay for their rap* kits. I have no problem with trying to collect from their insurance companies if this is something they typically would pay for. I wonder how many rap* victims ended up being billed, this was not clear in the article. It is also not clear why this issue is being raised 8 years after the fact, nor is it clear when policy started and when it stopped. Poor reporting to me.

Lousy policy regardless, but before Palin can be gigged, this article left out too many pertinent facts that should be clarified. If the facts point out she implemented the policy, didn't stop it when complaints came out, rap* victims were actually billed (unless some sort of deceipt was involved), then she should be gigged on this one. But I am betting, like so many other issues some people are trying to get to stick, this one won't have any traction either.

I may be wrong, but my advice to Democrats would be to moderate criticism of her - she is not running for President. McCain should be a big enough target. This election was in the bag for Senator Obama before issues such as this were thrown out too quickly and with little thought for accuracy. Obviously, energized a pretty apathetic party. I think he'll win anyway, but turned a potential moderate blow-out into a nailbiter.

But since I am a Republican, likely to vote for McCain (I like Keyes myself)- keep it up.

Look at the RCP numbers for states now. McCain Palin's numbers have increased in almost every state:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2008/electoral_count.html

Obama is running out of money and begging for funds from anybody/everybody.

Maybe the dems should put Hillary at the top of the ticket before it's too late.

[Jason Straight]

I heard Paris Hilton will be running with Bob Barr ..She is coming to tampa and knows alot about hotels..I jus cant wait!

Susan S. will be gnashing her teeth and tearing her clothing and smearing ashes on her head on election day.

Gene Smith will go to a Chinese buffet for lunch.

[Bev]

Okay, I watched the Gibson interview with Palin. AS a woman, I was hoping that 10 days of prep for the interview would at least allow her to speak intelligently about the complex world we live in. Gibson asked her questions about the middle east, russian aggression and the Bush doctrine (pre-emptive war}. It wasnt pretty and it was downright painful to watch. In fact it confirmed every fear that sane people had that she was unqualified for national office. She didnt know what the Bush doctrine was, and even when Gibson explained it to her it was clear she had no real understanding of what he was asking. She suggested we might have to go to war with Russia if Russia attacks Georgia. She also gave Israel free reign to attack Iran unilaterally, if it felt the need to do so without any hesitation as to the effect on the region. (oil anyone) All the silly comments that she did great or hit it out of park are depressing if people really believe that. She exhibited no substance or thoughtful relection. She just kept repeating one liners they fed her. Electing someone who has no understanding of the world is scary. I do not fault her. She did the best she could and she is who she is. I fault Mccain for selecting someone for cynical political reasons no matter how irresponsible it was and no matter what the risk to the country.

[Gator(R)]

Good thinking 4:33. That would really bring their whole campaign to a shrieking hault.

If she answered as you suggested, she would be dodging the question.

If she said she would have done everything legally in her power to force her daughter to have the child, you would crucify her.

If she said it was her daughters choice, you would call her a hypocrite.

And it would impact people's opinions not in the slightest - would any answer she gave sway you?

Abortion isn't the only issue out there: the economy, the war, energy policy, health care, job creation, competing in a global economy, illegal immigration. The one the President has the least affect on is abortion.

The Supreme Courts call. While next president may get a couple picks, it will be difficult if not impossible to get a pro-lifer past the a Democratic Congress, both Houses will likely have significant democratic majorities. Then if they decided to overturn Roe v. Wade this simply returns the decision to each state. I don't believe California, Wisconsin, New York, New Jersey, Massachusettes, Michigan or probably even Florida will make it illegal. And I don't think even a right wing court will be stupid enough to allow for 50+ different laws on this issue.

[Susan S. on Daily Kos]

Here's a post by Susan expressing her reaction to seeing Sarah Palin on TV:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/9/10/22439/4620/126#c126

[Donald Lance]

What a shame that Joe Biden, VP nominee, doesn't think he is the best person for the job. "Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election, and Biden -- the candidate he selects -- suggests, himself, that he wasn’t the right man for the job, and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

What does that say about Barry's judgement. As POTUS, you don't get a do-over. More food for fodder for you Barry fans. He can't even make the right pick for VP. What's he going to say to you, Joe 6-pack, when he causes you to go belly up with his social revolution?

Another example of the unbridled, or maybe better said unbrassiered, hatred for Sarah Palin by the left:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/10/palin_feminism/

[Federalist]

Gator, overturninh Roe V Wade will not just turn over abortion to the states. That is a conservative talking point that makes it sound not too scary. It would allow the federal government to legislate it on a national level because there would be no federal right to privacy anymore. Congress, and I agree it would be a Republican congress could pass a national ban on all abortions and they would set a federal criminal sentence. There would be nothing each individual state could do about it.

Bev,

We must not have watched the same interview. I saw a biased interviewer and a very calm and capable interviewee. I felt she had very good anwers to stupid and unanswerable questions. I saw Obama try to answer the same ones and he was pathetic.

[Bev]

7:52...I know people see things through their own bias and preconceptions, and God knows I have mine. I am not a blank slate here. But I really wanted her to appear well versed and knowlegable about the world. I saw no substance at all. Gibson asked important questions and he was serious but respectful. Her responses were not detailed and half the time it was obvious she didnt really grasp the problems being discussed or their impications for our country. She is like a loose cannon and we cant afford that now. Could you really imagine her as our president? I just dont think she has the intellect or the sophistication to be the leader of the free world. Again I dont blame her or dislike her. Its just my belief that the country cannot afford to risk our future on her.

Gibson was very condescending and showed absolutely no RESPECT to this interviewee. RESPECT in the most important aspect between reporter & subject.Gibson needs to go back to college on journalism 101.

Gibson tried to set trap doors for Palin, but she did not take the bait.

[Left of Lakeland]

I believe Senator McCain knew exactly what he was doing when he selected Governor Palin as his VP nominee. He was changing the subject. He knows he can't win the election based on meat-and-potato issues, so he wanted to bring out cultural issues -- teen pregnancy, abortion, guns, and all of the other hubris.

Folks, the question for this election is straight forward: Do you think George Bush did a good job? If so, you vote for John McCain who voted with George Bush over 90% of the time. It really is that simple.

As far as Mr. Putnam's opinion about Governor Palin, who cares? This is a manchild who was raised on the politics of Actor Reagan (quadrupled the debt), who voted with George Bush over 96% of the time (tripled the debt), and first supported Actor Thompson for President (received about 4% of the vote). Not exactly a stellar track record for THE supposed rising star of the Republican Party. The only thing he's gotten right so far is that Republicans are going to take a tremendous beating in the November elections. After he personally is beaten in November by Doug Tudor, perhaps Adam can set up a cutting-edge palm-reading shop in Bartow. His predictions couldn't be any worse astrologically than they have been politically.

P.S. Being Ag Commissioner means you know something about agricultural issues. Being the son and grandson of millionaires who use illegal citrus labor to boost their bottom line doesn't count. Nuff said!

Cable news commentators all are saying Sarah Palin did very well, no stumbles.
They did say Charles Gibson was trying to make her stumble & set traps for her and she did not bite.

Great job Sarah!!

Bev, I CAN'T IMAGINE BARACK OBAMA EVEN BEING GOVERNOR LES THE PRESIDENT.

HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO EXPERIENCE COMPARES WITH PALIN OR MCCAIN.

THE ABCNEWS BLOGS ARE HEAVILY STATING THAT GIBSON SEEMED RUDE, CONDESCENDING & DISRESPECTFUL TO SARAH PALIN.

WOW!! WHAT A BACKLASH TO THE ELITE LIBERAL MEDIA

[George]

I agree Charlie Gibson (the most conservative anchor) was unfair to poor Governer Palin. He had the nerve to ask hard questions about real world issues. He should have joked around with her and asked how the moose hunting was going. Maybe he could have asked for one of those delicious mooseburgers she enjoys. If asking Saint Sarah her views and getting her thoughts on difficult problems is disrespectful, then I give up. She gave superficial answers that showed she has no clue about the world. She has the talking style of a teenager and appears to have a limited vocabulary. Is this what we want? A totally unqualified national leader....This is getting crazy.

[surfdog]

The investigations exposed "a culture of ethical failure" and an agency rife with conflicts of interest, Inspector General Earl E. Devaney said.

Between 2002 and 2006, 19 oil marketers — nearly a third of the Denver office staff — received gifts and gratuities from oil and gas companies, including Chevron Corp., Shell, Hess Corp. and Denver-based Gary-Williams Energy Corp., the investigators found.

"Employees frequently consumed alcohol at industry functions, had used cocaine and marijuana, and had sexual relationships with oil and natural gas company representatives" who referred to some of the government workers as the "MMS Chicks."

FROM THE "FAMILY VALUES" ADMINISTRATION!

BTW.... its o.k.for repub's to say Obama has no experience but when you say Palin has no experience you are bashing her ?

wa wa wa wa

[Free thought]

I don't need the pravda pundits on cable news to tell me what to think. I went beyond the fifth grade and can actually think for myself. Sarah Palin did not give an interview that conveyed intelligence, class or an understanding of the world. This was not a good first impression. I bet this was her last interview outside of Fox news.

[john mccain interview]

McCain: The economy is the major challenge.

Q: You have said that the number one issue facing the US, and that is addressing the challenge of our time is Islamist extremism. What credentials does Gov Palin have in National Security, diplomacy, foreign policy that qualified her to be your partner on that issue…

McCain: Well, obviously the economy is a major challenge…

Q: No, I’m using your words Senator….

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McCain: I said the greatest challenge of our time is national security threats and I’ve also said jobs and economy is the number one issue facing America so, but the point is that Gov. Palin is right on the issues. She understands energy which is one of the fundamental issues of our security….She was right on Iraq, she was right on Russia….

Q: You say you’re sure she has experience, but again I’m just asking for an example. What experience does she have in the field of national experience.

McCain: Energy. She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America..

I'm watching Obama answering simple questions about community service on Fox and he's a mumbling idiot! Ican't believe this guy is a candidate for President of the U.S. I'd take Palin in the job before this imbecile. All he does is talk, talk...and say nothing! Our country is in big trouble if this fool is elected. If he can't handle simple questions about community service, how in the he.. will he handle Russia, Iran, etc. God save our Nation from Obama!!

OBAMA = BABY KILLER!!!

9:36 PM

Could you tell us what is Obama's experience in national defense? Convening NO meetings of a Senate Committee related to that. The man is a fraud!!

[Bev]

8:51...Yes Obama does not have 25 years of government experience. He is a relatively young man. But he is smart and knowledgable. You may disagree with his views and that is a legtimate reason not to vote for him. But I think he, like Mccain, are up to the task to be president. Both have the qualities to be a national and world leader. I cannot, regretably, say the same thing about Palin. John Mccain is 72 years old. The bureau of vital statistics lists the life expectancy of a white male at 76 years old. He has a recurring form of cancer. We all have to be concerned about Sarah Palin because there is a good chance she could be our president if Mccain is elected. I'm having nightmares thinking about this.

Palin would be a better candidate for prez than any of the other three currently on the tickets of both parties. Biden, Obama, McCain--all more of the same, insiders who are part and parcel of what's wrong with D.C.

OBAMA IS AN IDIOT!!!

IF HE'S SO SMART, WHY CAN'T HE MAKE A COMPLETE SENTENCE WITHOUT AND, UH, UMM??

Bev.

I'm having nightmares thinking about our country being turned over to a racist, Muslim with NO experience to be President. He wouldn't even be a good VP. We missed our chance with Hillary.

I have nightmares even imagining Obama & his "first time proud of america" wife roaming the White House while Jeremiah Wright is tucked in the Lincoln bedroom.

[Bev]

9:46...I think Hillary would have made a great president or vice president. I was disappinted when Obama did not pick her. I dont think Obama is a racist and he is not a muslim. Experience is debateable and fair game. I just think Obama is the better choice. I only have two.

[McCain Palin are US]

He just went to a racist church for 20 years, was married there, and had his kids baptized there.

Too many questionable associations in Obama's history for me.

In ADDITION, his lack of executive experience and his multiple answers to tough situations (i.e. Russia/Georgia and Rev. Wright over more than a month), show me that he's not ready to run this country.

I can't wait for Palin to come to Florida to tell us how she led the Alaskan National Guard in battle.

I remember when she led that small but powerful force in capturing the Abdominable Snowman when he was scaring those elves. Thank GOD it ended without bloodshed. And thank GOD that Palin was guided by GOD'S will in this mission.

Exactly 10:17.

Don't forget when she helped quell the great Eskimo Uprising of '07 right before the Iditirod race. Amazing work.

This whole thing shows what a bunch of gullible morons the rightwing is. I still have yet to actually meet anyone who likes her, or thinks she's anywhere close to being qualified.

Very Bad Disney Movie

[Becky]

Sarah Palin is George W. Bush in a dress. Think about it. Texas/Alaska, Cowboy/Cowgirl, Governor/Governor, No foreign travel or experience/ditto, fundamentalist leanings, tendency to be rash and rid themselves of anyone who disagrees... Two bodies, one person. Think about it.

Hey Bev, "A" for Effort - it's not easy to carry on a discussion with McToady the "Liar for Hire" when every answer is cut and pasted from his boss Karl Rove's Playbook. He doesn't know it, but he makes the conservative viewpoint sound even more desperate and deranged than it really is.

ps. All the racist comments posted here about Obama are his too, or I should say Karl's. I hope you have lots of friends and they all plan to get out and vote - I'd hate to see our world turned over to these closet kooks.

[Political Professor]

Oh my ... and to think that if we truly wanted to, we could have a somewhat intelligent discussion of the issues on this forum.

Either McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden will be leading our nation, and thus holding the two most powerful offices in the world. How about we agree to deal with the issues? Could Sarah Palin be POTUS if the national tragedy of a presidential death in office should strike us? Of course. We've seen numerous Presidents who weren't up to the task -- IMHO including George W. Bush -- who fumbled and bumbled their term(s), and the nation endured. The beauty of our Constitution is that there is shared power, so no matter how inept the Executive (or the Legislative or the Judiciary), one of the other branches can ensure we don't flounder totally.

If we look at recent history, John McCain will not be elected in November. Every politically minded person knows this is going to be a landslide Democratic year. He is the elderly party loyalist who is allowed to have a last hurrah in a run for the presidency, in a year when the party poobahs know their party is going to lose. We've seen this, in reverse chronological order, in 1996 with Dole, in 1984 with Mondale, in 1972 with McGovern, in 1964 with Goldwater, etc.

Here's what to look for in the next month from Senator McCain in a last-ditch effort to save his candidacy. He will resign from the Senate to give his full attention to the race. He will declare that he will only serve one term. He will name certain well-respected dignitaries as members of his presumptive cabinet, which will include some conservative Democrats. He will, finally, embark on a final 96-hour non-stop campaign blitz to show his youthful vigor. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that each of these things occurs.

Senator Obama, on the other hand, will enlist some highly respected political and celebrity notables in the final days of the campaign to chastise America, letting us know that the only reason we would pass on this once-in-a-lifetime chance to elect a "truly great President" is because of our deeply ingrained and highly institutionalized racism.

This is Presidential politics, my friends. When it happens, don't say you didn't know ahead of time.

[BUSH Justice Department allowed monopolies to act “with impunity” and “would make it nearly i]

BUSH Justice Department allowed monopolies to act “with impunity” and “would make it nearly impossible to prosecute a case.”

The Justice Department laid out a broad policy on antitrust enforcement on Monday that drew an unusually sharp rebuke from three federal trade commissioners, who said it would protect monopolies from prosecution.

In nearly eight years under the Bush administration, the Justice Department has brought one case against a business on anticompetitive grounds.

Mr. Barnett would not comment directly on the critical comments of the three F.T.C. commissioners — Pamela J. Harbour, an independent; Jon Leibowitz, a Democrat; and J. Thomas Rosch, a Republican.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/business/09antitrust.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin

[New GOP Scandal In Florida]

The Palm Beach Post is reporting that a prominent multimillionaire GOP Presidential Host and Fundraiser John Boswell is being accused of and elaborate Fraud Scheme. These accusations come as Boswell is preparing to have an elaborate GOP Fundraiser with George W. Bush as the Guest:

Next week, Sept. 18th, Palm Beach Gardens moneybags John Boswell, 61, is hosting President George W. Bush at his $10 million Frenchmen’s Creek mansion for an afternoon cocktail party.

Boswell allegedly took out $11 million in low-interest loans, with no tangible reimbursement plan; took $4 million in dividends from the company without telling other shareholders; and paid himself an excessive salary and bonuses that could amount to $15 million over five years.

The court appointed a special investigator, retired judge Walter Colbath, to help. His final report paints Boswell thus: "There is substantial evidence that John has set up an elaborate scheme diverting millions of dollars from ISCO to himself."

The investigative report spelled out how Boswell created a religious organization, the Boswell House Ministries, and a charity, Boswell Foundation, to funnel the money to himself.

The Christian ministries, for which Boswell tried to get tax-exempt status, sponsors religious gatherings at, yep, the same home where Bush is to appear.

This is the party of morals and Family Values?!?!

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/jose/entries/2008/09/11/gardens_presidential_host_bein.html

Look at this McToady - this AP article about the deplorable swiftboating practiced by McSlime mentions your boss Karl by name!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MCCAIN_STRETCHING_THE_TRUTH?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I like the part about the 2000 election, where Bush and Rove started a rumor campaign about McCain's illegitmate child - and now look - McPatsy's got Rove on his payroll and he's sucking up to Bush like a little lap dog.

I think we've seen this same kind of behavior in WWII when conquered nations adopted the fascist, racist views of their Nazi invaders and turned on their own people.

I told you this was going to make him look bad. The lipstick lie had it's 24 hrs of bounce, but now the medias wakin' up with a severe case of "morning-after regret."

[Gator(R)]

Bev.

I only heard the clip where Charles Gibson asked her about Russia invading Georgia, and related questions involving other potential OPEC members. The questions were loaded and pretty stupid. I have to admit, I didn't think she did a good job answering him, she was too tentative and appeared insecure, probably lack of knowledge is big factor. She should have told him he was an idiot and that of course we would be obligated to defend our OPEC partners in whatever form that took.

For that segment her answer was Ok, but her presentation and in depth knowledge needs work.

Having said that, I don't watch a lot of Obama, but you have to admit his responses to similar type questioning is not good either. The ehs and uhs are embarrassing. His response regarding providing care to babies that survive abortions was particularly unimpressive. I will admit, I didn't even know this happened, I'll give him credit for at least having knowledge that it happened.

All I can say is I am glad I am not running for office.

Federalist - I'll have to check the Rove talking points before I get back to you.

NOBODY believes the media anymore. Everyone knows it's bias for Obama. The Media will say anything to protect their candidate.

[Gator(R)]

11:18. The media is waking up with regret - Republicans everywhere are shaking in their boots. Imagine what will happen when they start attacking Palin.

Probably call me McToady, but I am actually a KeyesToady.

He obviously doesn't have a prayer (not even mathematically possible), but he is intelligent, can give a speech, respond to difficult questions lucidly, and is actually a conservative - unlike the last and maybe future Republican presidents.

He may be a nut, but they all have to be nuts to want that job.

[Real American]

I'll tell all of ya'll this. I don't care if he's half black half white or half muslim half hawaiin if he's president i will get my gun befoer i'll pay the afroamericans for slavery.

Gator; thanks for the spin, Genteel Scum. We do have experience with the more subtle forms of propaganda too. At least you're disarmingly honest about your source, the Rove Memo - the same lies are certainly found therein, but without the veneer of bonhomie you slathered all over your psychological pig.

[Gator(R)]

11:14

Well there you have it a voice of reason from the heartlands. Able to condense the whole election into one concise sentence.

Actually, I don't believe that comment was real. Either that or he just scared the bejeebers out of me.

11:29 Yeah boy howdy they're for him when they're not agin him! Whichever way you want to spin it today, Toad. Bleat bleat bleat the media is in love with Palin - no wait that doesn't sound right. Give me a minute to decide how I want them to be today and then I'll blather it long and loud and MAKE IT SO!

[Gator(R)]

11:33 my bonhomie tends to turn to malhomie when I am referred to as Genteel Scum. Actual most offended by the Genteel part.

Actually I should respond from my Karl Rove Swiftboating Playbook.

Yeah, well I was a prisoner of war for 6 years!. Wait a minute, that won't work I was 14 when the war ended.

Yeah, well your a sexist for calling me a pig with lipstick. Dang, that won't work either, I don't wear lipstick.

Yeah, well your a commie, pinko, who hates your country, the flag, women, freedom, guns, women with guns, babies, america (worth repeating), babies with guns. Yeah -that will do the trick.

That was page 42, item 6.b. for those keeping track.

As noted above, you can call me just Scum.

[Gator(R)]

11:39 You got me there. Very well put.

You very subtly implied I am a southern bitter religion-loving hick, who takes it out on anyone that looks or sounds different from me. A McCain lackey who can't think for myself but relies only on Karl Rove for my thoughts, who believes the media has a liberal bias (well you actually did get me there) who posts too much on blogs.

Last one nails me too, my daughter broke her self phone, so I gave her mine. This is my alternative drug of choice.

I don't get called a genteel scum on my phone, so this is actually more fun. Also, most calls usually result in me having to do some work.

excellent application of the word 'winsome' in your post.

winsome - adj.
Charming, often in a childlike or naive way.

Boy, if that isn't the understatement of the year I'm not sure what is!

[Gator(R)]

federalist

excerpt from wikipedia (never said I was a legal researcher)

State abortion bans

Several states have enacted so-called "trigger laws" which "would take effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned."[60] Those states include Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota and South Dakota.[61] Other states have passed laws to maintain the legality of abortion if Roe v. Wade is overturned, and those states include California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Nevada and Washington.[61]

Appears to confirm at least the above states believe they will retain ultimate decision over legality of abortion if Roe vs. Wade is overturned.

Reading the rest of the article (its late and I am tool lazy to look anywhere else). The general impression I get is that state's will retain the right to make the call. Can the courts go beyond that in overturning it, possibly. But as I said above I don't see the Supreme Court overturning it under any circumstances. While I am not a real pro-choice person, I believe it would be a disaster if it was overturned, and I believe the Justice's realize that.

I'll be honest - I was pro-choice when I was of an age I could get a girl pregnant before marriage, pro-life when I had my three kids and saw the ultrasound, pro-choice when my daughters were of age to get pregnant before marriage, and now I am confused at best. Fortunately, I don't have to make the call, despite some people's views of the candidates - in this case it doesn't matter. But hell, I could be wrong.

I'll look at my Rove Talking Points tomorrow.

Not sure if 11:33 took me seriously or was responding in kind, if the former kind of scary.

[Gator(R)]

12:09 Ya win some, ya lose some.

Sorry, that was pathetic, but I was compelled by my bonhomie.

No gaffes Sarah Palin did very well in her 1st major interview. Gibson tried to pin into traps & she did not take the bait.

Bravo Sarah!

[Becky]

Palin is Bush's (equally) evil twin. Attractive, personable, shallow, cocky, self-certain, undaunted by logic and unwilling to see the America that is different from themselves. They both are indifferent to the environment, are rigid in their interpretation of religion, and have an inability to lead our nation to better things.

oh my lord! who saw that gibson interview...we need to keep Sarah Palin AWAY...I repeat....AWAY from reports.

Those answers looked more like lies.

Come on now guys -- we are finally looking good here...

KEEP HER OFF CAMERA!

[Becky]

Palin is Bush's (equally) evil twin. Attractive, personable, shallow, cocky, self-certain, undaunted by logic and unwilling to see the America that is different from themselves. They both are indifferent to the environment, are rigid in their interpretation of religion, and have an inability to lead our nation to better things.

I am so undecided here. I wish she was at least classy. McCain/Obama/Biden all LOOK like presidents (maybe I'm sexist? I hope not).

She has a 17 yr old pregnant daughter and that gun totting bikini shot keeps getting emailed to me. I know we have a lot of 'regular' folks and I'm one too; I just want the person who is leading us to act and look the part. I'm in sales and you don't take anyone serious unless you think they bring something to the table.

Funny the left wing loons want to try and cite religion...get ready to hear and see a lot about religion, loons. Rev Wright is coming out with his latest books and the commercials haven't even gotten started yet.

Do you really want to "go there" when the top of the democratic ticket is associated with Rev Wright (racist), Bad Bombing Bill Ayers (terrorist), and Tee-totaling Tony Rezko (felon)?

Obama should be back in Chicago trying to clean up the mess he created.

Politico.com thinks Gov. Palin did fairly well:

Today was a pretty low-key day, politically, so neither candidate gained or lost too much ground. But Sarah Palin confronted a major obstacle in her interview with Charlie Gibson - her first one-on-one as a vice presidential candidate - and appears to have held her own.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=309BC735-18FE-70B2-A8878933C6123ACB

i watched this and cried

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/7609592.stm

1:42 -- yeah i want to go there. there are 5 addictions: sex, narcotics, gambling, alcohol, and religion.

Pentecostals are addicted to religion. no addiction is healthy as it interferes with your ability to make a rational decision.

[McCain Palin are US]

Obama doesn't know how many abandoned, broken down apartment buildings he and Rezko scammed his constituents with.

It's eleven dilapidated apartment buildings in Obama's State Senate district. Obama gave Rezko 14 million taxpayer dollars to fix the buildings in order to supply low income housing. Rezko never did and now Rezko is in jail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBFVixqQ5s

ACTUALLY TERM THE "BUSH DOCTRINE"
IS NOT OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED BY THE U.S.

The official term recognized by the White House for the concept of "the Bush Doctrine" is The National Security Strategy of the United States of America
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2006/

We love Sarah!!!

When is she coming to Tampa Bay Area?

[Dr. Doom]

Palin is dumber than Bush and more dangerous than McCain. In her much ballyhooed interview with Charlie Gibson she threatened war with Russia.

Hey Palinheads - suppose there is a nuclear Armageddon and there is NO Rapture - everyone just dies horrible deaths including y'all.

Unbelievable that our political system has devolved to this level where a mutant like Sarah Palin is considered to be legitimate and a lot of seriously deranged people actually are out there waving pom poms for her.

Sick, Sick, Sick!

[NObama08]

The love the fact the dems are in panic mode. This conservative was only for against the Messiah, NOW I am voting FOR McCain/Palin. I cannot wait.

*****SIGH*****

I can't wait till Nov, then we will have our SPTIMES blog back and it will not be over run with Obama paid bloggers -

******SIGH******

[Thanks, John McCain, Thanks a Lot.]

I wanted to withold judgement of Sarah Palin until she had a few interviews behind her.

I just saw the Gibson interview. Wow. She's a complete loon. She sounds, quite honestly, like someone delivering a shrill and desperate plea to be elected Wasalia High School class president, not VP of the most powerful nation on the planet.

I'm still reeling a bit. Every time I try to imagine her one heartbeat away from the Presidency, my mind balks at the thought.

They also showed the "God's War" footage. Well, I guess that must really please all you Left Behind fanatics, eh? I imagine we WILL have Armageddon if she gets her hand on the nuclear triggers.

Cynical advice: keep up the misdirection tactics and continue to keep her off the TV. She's scary and obviously, frighteningly unqualified.

Her interview with Gibson was horrible. She was clueless on the Foreign policy stuff. For those of you that think her interview was good, you obviously weren't paying attention to the questions or you're just as clueless as she was.

[Bush/McCain no Ethics]

The Bush Administration refuses to prosecute Bush/McCain officials.

The U.S. Department of Justice has declined to prosecute the employees for their ethics-law violations and shady deals. The highest-ranking official named in the Inspector General’s reports, Lucy Denett, is accused of illegally arranging a million-dollar contract for two of her good friends and former employees. The Justice Department refuses to explain why they have dropped that case. Could it be related to the fact that she is the wife of an official at the White House Office of Management and Budget?

[Charles Gibson is Liberal]

Two big time gaffs on Charles Gibson's part:
1 - He misquoted Palin regarding Iraq troops and God. In response, she said she wasn't sure those were her words. Then he assured her that the quote was exact. WRONG. In fact the entire sentence of her quote should have been:
''Pray that our national leaders are sending our troops on a task that is from God.''
Gibson left out the two words ''Pray that'' that entirely changes the meaning of the quote. This is HUGE and demands an apology, ASAP.
2 - He asked her about Bush Doctrine which is a multifaceted Doctrine. She rightly asked what aspect of the Doctrine. He lectured her that the SOLE MEANING of the Bush Doctrine was the U.S. right to preemptively attack a nation, even if their attack is not imminent. Again, this is only one aspect of the Doctrine. Gibson goofed, big time, and acted like Palin didn't know the answer. In fact, he didn't know the answer.

[Obama wants to turn the US into Cuba]

Obama sounded like a bumbling idiot on the Candidate forum last night.

McCain said that government can't do everything (and shouldn't), while Obama said that government should do EVERYTHING.

More government = less freedom.

This is not Cuba, but Obama thinks it should be.

[Mussolini too was a cult like figure--and look what he did.]

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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, September 12, 2008; Page A15

The Democrats are in a panic. In a presidential race that is impossible to lose, they are behind. Obama devotees are frantically giving advice. Tom Friedman tells him to "start slamming down some phones." Camille Paglia suggests, "be boring!"

Meanwhile, a posse of Democratic lawyers, mainstream reporters, lefty bloggers and various other Obamaphiles are scouring the vast tundra of Alaska for something, anything, to bring down Sarah Palin: her daughter's pregnancy, her ex-brother-in-law problem, her $60 per diem, and now her religion. (CNN reports -- news flash! -- that she apparently has never spoken in tongues.) Not since Henry II asked if no one would rid him of his turbulent priest have so many so urgently volunteered for duty.

But Palin is not just a problem for Obama. She is also a symptom of what ails him. Before Palin, Obama was the ultimate celebrity candidate. For no presidential nominee in living memory had the gap between adulation and achievement been so great. Which is why McCain's Paris Hilton ads struck such a nerve. Obama's meteoric rise was based not on issues -- there was not a dime's worth of difference between him and Hillary on issues -- but on narrative, on eloquence, on charisma.

The unease at the Denver convention, the feeling of buyer's remorse, was the Democrats' realization that the arc of Obama's celebrity had peaked -- and had now entered a period of its steepest decline. That Palin could so instantly steal the celebrity spotlight is a reflection of that decline.

It was inevitable. Obama had managed to stay aloft for four full years. But no one can levitate forever.

Five speeches map Obama's trajectory.

Obama burst into celebrityhood with his brilliant and moving 2004 Democratic convention speech (#1). It turned an obscure state senator into a national figure and legitimate presidential candidate.

His next and highest moment (#2) was the night of his Iowa caucus victory when he gave an equally stirring speech of the highest tones that dazzled a national audience just tuning in.

The problem is that Obama began believing in his own magical powers -- the chants, the swoons, the "we are the ones" self-infatuation. Like Ronald Reagan, he was leading a movement, but one entirely driven by personality. Reagan's revolution was rooted in concrete political ideas (supply-side economics, welfare-state deregulation, national strength) that transcended one man. For Obama's movement, the man is the transcendence.

Which gave the Obama campaign a cult-like tinge. With every primary and every repetition of the high-flown, self-referential rhetoric, the campaign's insubstantiality became clear. By the time it was repeated yet again on the night of the last primary (#3), the tropes were tired and flat. To top himself, Obama had to reach. Hence his triumphal declaration that history would note that night, his victory, his ascension, as "the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

Clang. But Obama heard only the cheers of the invited crowd. Not yet seeing how the pseudo-messianism was wearing thin, he did Berlin (#4) and finally jumped the shark. That grandiloquent proclamation of universalist puffery popped the bubble. The grandiosity had become bizarre.

From there it was but a short step to Paris Hilton. Finally, the Obama people understood. Which is why the next data point (#5) is so different. Obama's Denver acceptance speech was deliberately pedestrian, State-of-the-Union-ish, programmatic and only briefly (that lovely coda recalling the March on Washington) lyrical.

The problem, however, was that Obama had announced the Invesco Field setting for the speech during the pre-Berlin flush of hubris. They were stuck with the Greek columns, the circus atmosphere, the rock star fireworks farewell -- as opposed to the warmer, traditional, balloon-filled convention-hall hug-a-thon. The incongruity between text and context was apparent. Obama was trying to make himself ordinary -- and serious -- but could hardly remember how.

One star fades, another is born. The very next morning McCain picks Sarah Palin and a new celebrity is launched. And in the celebrity game, novelty is trump. With her narrative, her persona, her charisma carrying the McCain campaign to places it has never been and by all logic has no right to be, she's pulling an Obama.

But her job is easier. She only has to remain airborne for seven more weeks. Obama maintained altitude for an astonishing four years. In politics, as in all games, however, it's the finish that counts.

[Mussolini and Hilter support at will abortion rights--just like Obama]

Have you met the "Welfare-Only Pro-Lifers"? They are spearheading Barack Obama's effort to tell pro-life voters that Obama will reduce abortion. What WOPLs are not telling people is that John McCain would fund abortion-reduction, too, while Obama's other policies will vastly increase abortion.

WOPLs believe that being a pro-life candidate means nothing more than giving government funding to low income women during and after pregnancy. WOPLs take their lead from Obama himself. Alongside his clumsy abortion comments, Obama often suggests that government funding would help women choose not to abort.

WOPLs include people like law professor Doug Kmiec, whose book Can a Catholic Support Him [Obama]?" will be released September 15. Kmiec and Obama both point to the Democratic Party platform's new call for government-funded health care related to pregnancy (even though the platform no longer wants abortion to be "rare"). Not coincidentally, the WOPL group "Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good" released a study during the Democratic convention claiming that government funding can reduce abortions.

In a recent New York Times interview Kmiec issued his audacious claim: if Obama will "reduce the incidence of abortion," "how could a Catholic not support Barack Obama?" (Emphasis added.)

Kmiec's problem, and that of other WOPLs, is that they don't know how to balance an equation. They ignore two essential facts: that most of Obama's actions will increase abortion, and that their speculation about abortion-reduction would also occur under McCain.

Obama will strike down every limit on abortion in all 50 states, including parental involvement in abortion. This revolution will come through the Freedom of Choice Act, which Obama solemnly told the abortion industry he would sign immediately upon becoming President.

Obama will then change federal law to fund abortions directly. A 2007 study by Dr. Michael New shows that these laws collectively prevent tens of thousands of abortions every year.

Obama will also legalize partial-birth abortion, appoint only pro-abortion judges, and continue to rationalize his pro-infanticide voting record.

McCain would do none of these things, and has chosen a staunchly pro-life running-mate. Most importantly, McCain does not oppose government funding around pregnancy. A closer look shows that Obama, not McCain, opposes several types of government aid for women and their babies.

The Pregnant Women Support Act is a bipartisan federal bill that the "Catholics in Alliance" study praises. Yet Obama voted against a provision, which is in one version of the PWSA, to fund health insurance for unborn children.

Moreover, Obama almost certainly opposes funding for the thousands of pro-life pregnancy centers that are the real leaders in directly assisting women every day. Obama has pledged his unswerving loyalty to the nation's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

PP considers pro-life centers to be public enemy number one, and actively works to outlaw them. Obama's abortion handlers would mutiny if he ever hinted at funding pro-life pregnancy centers.

Meanwhile, the McCain/Palin platform declares that "government must find new ways to empower and strengthen" pro-life pregnancy centers, which "provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need." They also point out McCain's extensive voting record in favor of adoption assistance.

And McCain has given a prominent role in his campaign to pro-life Senator Sam Brownback, a longtime supporter of funding abortion alternatives.

Funding for women that don't abort would not fall prey to McCain's well-known budget hawkishness, which instead seeks to eliminate wasteful earmarks. Perhaps McCain might veto a bill that, in addition to funding alternatives to abortion, also funds abortion and Planned Parenthood (which seems to be Obama's "abortion reduction" approach). Such a veto, however, is not an argument why pro-lifers should vote for Obama instead of McCain. Quite the contrary. If Obama wants that kind of bill, he is not serious about "rising above" the abortion wars to reduce abortion.

In sum, there is no tangible reason to fear that McCain would veto abortion-alternative funding. McCain could make it even more clear by publicly stating his support for specific types of funding, in addition to those he mentions in his platform.

The WOPL argument is therefore irrelevant to this presidential campaign. Yet WOPLs will persist. They will continue to gush about Obama's emotional attractiveness. They will also revert to the old liberal Catholic attack against "single issue voting," by which the only issue they don't consider important is abortion.

But history is against them. In the past two presidential elections, more rather than fewer devout Christians decided to vote pro-life. That's why liberals adopted their new "WOPL" persona in the first place, and that's why it will fail in 2008.

[Face the Truth - McCain's Pandering Puts the Entire World at Risk of Armaggedon]

I wanted to withold judgement of Sarah Palin until she had a few interviews behind her.

I just saw the Gibson interview. Wow. She's a complete loon. She sounds, quite honestly, like someone delivering a shrill and desperate plea to be elected Wasalia High School class president, not VP of the most powerful nation on the planet.

I'm still reeling a bit. Every time I try to imagine her one heartbeat away from the Presidency, my mind balks at the thought.

They also showed the "God's War" footage. Well, I guess that must really please all you Left Behind fanatics, eh? I imagine we WILL have Armageddon if she gets her hand on the nuclear triggers.

Cynical advice: keep up the misdirection tactics and continue to keep her off the TV. She's scary and obviously, frighteningly unqualified.

[Charlie Gibson is an idiot (and a liberal, although these terms are synonymous)]

9:16 -

You are correct, there are actually 4 aspects to the Bush Doctrine:

1. US will treat countries that harbor terrorists as terrorists themselves.

2. US should depose foreign regimes that represented a threat, even if not an immediate threat.

3. US should support democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a way of combating the spread of terrorism.

4. US should be willing to pursue military interests unilaterally.

what a liar you are 9:16, go re-watch the youtube video

[Religious Fanatics Like Sarah Palin Persecuted Jews in Spain and Burned Them at the Stake]

Desperate little McToady.

[NObama08]

9:36 - poor little idiot. Please do not reproduce.

What does McToady mean?

9:32 That was misleading of Gibson.

He should have called it "The Bush Imperialist Doctine Asserting US Rights To Annex Middle East Oil Fields For Exxon-Mobil In The Name Of The War On Terror."

Then she would have understood perfectly.

[Coming to a GOP platform near you!]

9:42 NObama08 How long before your fascist leaders start calling for enforced sterilization for anyone who points out your lies?

great post from local blogger

http://litbrit.blogspot.com/2008/09/want-sarah-palins-religion-to-control.html

Hey anyone watch 102 Minutes That Changed America last night on the History Channel?

Based on the posts from the left wing loons here; I know they missed it.

It detailed what happened before the Bush Doctrine was in place.

hey 9:32

We dont need to war with the Middle East for oil.

They are happy just selling it to us. Exxon Mobile is not complaining.

9:42 McToady refers to a particular Karl Rove minion who's sole source of income is the $1 he collects every time he cuts and pastes a talking point from the Rove Memo on the Buzz.

Although he uses a dozen or more IDs, you can always recognize him by his market-tested lies and spin and his inability to come up with an original thought when he gets stranded without the latest Rove handout.

So funny that the Obama campaign is reeling. He's comparing himself to the VP of the other ticket and he's losing the arguement.

Palin's much more qualified than he is and can answer a question.

Obama can't answer without ah, uh, bu,bu, but...it's why Obama wouldn't hold 10 townhalls with McCain.

The election won't be close in electoral votes...McCain Palin win bigtime.

Call me ignorant, but are there really people that get paid to tow the party line on these and other blogs?

I think it will be tough for a candidate to win with a platform of higher taxes.

I know Obama is trying to soften his tone; how it will only hit the "rich".

But seriously, in past elections, Democrats would not openly say they would impose higher taxes. The Republicans always accused them of planning to raise taxes.

The last time I recall a higher tax platform running for president was when Nixon won big time.

Obamataxcut.com

results from when i answered the simple questions:

Your Obama Tax Cut is: $1,422.73
John McCain would tax you $791.59 MORE than Barack Obama.

This is a private org that explains how they did the calculations. Take it with a grain of salt though....I am...

How can I contact Rove to get on the payroll?

I was laid off almost a year ago (my job went to an illegal alien) and I could use the money.

Besides, earning $1 to cut and paste seems like easy money.

[formally known as 10:11]

10:04 -- that post was for you

Is that site run by Obama?

Yes but did you enter annual income over $250k?

Your Obama Tax Cut is: $1,422.73
John McCain would tax you $791.59 MORE than Barack Obama.

This kind of double-speak drives me crazy. Are you saying that bot will cut taxes; just that Obama's plan will cut them more?

"The last time I recall a higher tax platform running for president was when Nixon won big time."

Mondale 1984...and it was a ridiculous landslide for Reagan's 2nd term.

Thats right, I was thinking McGovern.

I think both Nixon and Reagan won 49 of 50 states.

[formally known as 10:11]

there's no real debate here -- both candidates have published their tax plans. under obama's plan the middle class get a tax break and the wealthy have their taxes increased. McCain just continues the Bush tax policy.

so yes, if congress approves Obama's tax plan (if he's elected) my taxes will go down...and that site...which isn't owned by obama but a private group of bloggers...(like I said, grain of salt)...then it shows what you would save under his plan.

[formally known as 10:11]

10:15 -- what double speak? did i mistype or mislead somewhere?....looking....

The problem with Obama's tax "cut", is that it is not a cut in rates, it is a "rebate" similar to the "economic stimulus" rebates.

But since the "rebate" will go to people who pay no federal income taxes (as did the stimulus), it is actually a SPENDING program, not a tax cut.

While the stimulus provided some short-term relief, a cut in rates is much better in the long run.

[formally known as 10:11]

10:26 -- no those are in addition and separate, you are talking about the corporate windfall tax to offset energy costs. my personal opinion is that will never get passed. (i think its a pretty dumb idea too)

SONDRA POLLEN is rapidly supplanting THE DRUNK as 'meriaks FAVORITE pathological liar, ISNT SHE?

[Dave]

It a static analysis; sure that may be the case. However, the economy is dynamic.

Say for example, Obama raises taxes on the "rich" which he defines as $250k plus. Well some say, I dont make that kind of money.

However, most small business owners get caught in his trap. They are "S" corps. That is the type of business I work for. When they get a massive increase in the name of "patriotism" and I or my co-workers get laid off; where is my benefit?

Let that reverberate around the economy for a few years and then total the tax savings you and I get.

10:26-

But instant gratification is what people who vote Democrat want.

AND BOTH NIXON and RAYGUN were pathetic presidents!!

NIXON a lying sociopath...

RAYGUN a drooling, doddering old fool who couldnt even stay awake and tell his cabinet members from the "colored" help!

what a waste of 14 years in toto!

no THIRD TERM for the DRUNK!!

[Our National Debt is Maxed Out from Bush War and Corporate Bailouts - where will the money come from]

I can't remember any platform that promised to spend more, tax less, and put the bill on my children to pay off after I'm dead. But that's what John McCain plans to do.

It's all about celebrity now. Whoever makes the biggest flash without showing their *ss will win. We're all good little lemmings and we will pick one of the candidates that have been spoon fed to us by the power brokers. Candidates that probably have little real interest in the issues. It's all about celebrity.

On that note, how touching that one of the candidate's military sons was "shipped out" on 9/11, the second day to live in infamy. What a coincidence, eh?

10:29 -- but the s-corp would be taxed on PROFIT. if it has employees those are expenses and it will lower the profit, etc. at the end of the day it's effecting the owner(s) of the s-corp and each person would have to take and get paid $250k +$1 to be effected.

10:34 - I hope they don't put the poor fellow on point to make a point.

"10:26 -- no those are in addition and separate, you are talking about the corporate windfall tax to offset energy costs. my personal opinion is that will never get passed. (i think its a pretty dumb idea too)"

The energy rebate is another part of his plan, but when Obama says that "95% of working people will get a tax cut", approximately 40% of those people have no federal income tax liability. Therefore, those people will get a check courtesy of those that DO pay federal income taxes.

It is nothing more than wealth redistribution.

Nixon ended Kennedy's & LBJ war that killed over 58,000 Americans and millions of others; cost us more than just billions of dollars; some say we split our country forever.

Reagan ended the cold war and his economic policy spurred the largest economic expansion in the history of the earth.

Other than that, they really didnt do much.

[Which Palin is Coming]

Dueling Quotes
"Show me where I've ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change."

-- Gov. Sarah Palin, in an interview last night on ABC News.

"A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."

-- Palin, in an interview with Newsmax on August 29, 2008.

10:11 Karl Rove is always looking for "Liars For Hire" if you can stomach being a traitor to democracy and willfully lying to your fellow Americans.

I don't expect that McToady will tell you how to land a spot, though. On the back-stabbing GOP food-chain you are known as "lunch" If your job was outsourced then you're "lunch - already digested" and of no use to them whatsoever.

Obama's claiming to be able to reduce taxes while his programs will cost us a TRILLION $.

40% of people don't pay taxes currently. Obama's plan includes sending roughly $1,000 to millions of people that don't pay taxes!

It's not a tax cut at all - it's REDISTRIBUTING wealth to people that didn't earn it, it's a net net tax increase if you look at the entire plan, AND adds a TRILLION $ to the EXPENSE side of America's balance sheet.

Obama's Economic Plan is Smoke and Mirrors - just like he is.

S Corps pay their managing members (owners)as distributions. To many, their personal income is over $250k and that is where they get snared in the Obama "wealth re-distribution" trap.

Once that reverberates around the economy for a few years, unemployment will double.

But don't worry; if you make less than $50k, next time you get pregnant; dont abort the kid; spit it out; sign up to be a ward of the state and you will actually take home more than when you were working.

Does anyone have a link to the website to help me calculate my take home once I lose my job?

NIXONhad a SECRET PLAN to end the war in '68.

the sociopath was out of office when the war ended in 1975.

GREAT JOB, dick!!

the soviet union fell apart because it was simply going broke faster than we were.

RAYGUN had nothing to do with it...history wold have prevailed if even a doddering, drooling, semi-senile idiot had been president...

oh, wait.....

10:47 he man for $1 a quote, I can stomach being a traitor to democracy and willfully lying to your fellow Americans.

[formally known as 10:11]

10:39 -- i'm going to research that because someone else told me that too. if you have a link, i'd be happy to read it and entertain 'changing my mind' :)

that would be an awful thing to do....i hope it isn't the case...

McCain's proposals will cost us a lot more than Obama's, and his tax cuts will favor mainly the wealthy.

That IS the truth, 10:47, and unlike your selective spin, it is the WHOLE TRUTH.

10:49 -- so you'll see a shift in people expensing items they normally don't.

remember, to whom much is given, much is expected.

[You are a lying GOP traitor to democracy]

10:54 Really? I can tell the truth and I don't expect to get paid for that. Are you ready:

[Michelle Missing In Action]

I noticed Michelle Obama MISSING from any of the ceremonies yesterday. Cindy was there, but the Tranny was missing. Just shows she really does hate America. Shame on her!!!!

P.S.: understand she was at a Black Power Convention in Cincinnati. Shows where her loyalty is!

tranny?

do you know what that means? and do you know you are a tranny too?

/we saw your pics
//don't deny it

10:52

Nixon's plan to end the war in '68 was a concept foriegn to most liberals; its called VICTORY. Too bad the left in this country (and in Oxford) didn't let us achieve it.

Everyone with half a brain attributes the ending of Kennedy/LBJ war to Nixon and the ending of the cold war to Reagan.

I suggest you see your doctor about the shrinking brain syndrome that is afflicting you.

it's being done, already, 10.11....guess you are simply too dumb to notice it, eh?

like the wealth is being re-distributed UPWARDS, dipwad!!

who cares about vietnam and nixon and all that other junk; that world doesn't exist anymore.

they didn't have cell phones,