Fasano vs. Crist on stimulus

State Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, suggests in this snippet from Political Connections on Bay News 9 that Charlie Crist was wrong to support the stimulus package. Tampa Bay Bright House customers can see the whole interview on Ch. 342, Bay News 9 on Demand.

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[history will guide you,, or maybe not since liberal unions control big educ and dumbed it down]

Herbert Hoover raised taxes, tightened credit, stood aside while the Federal Reserve Bank destroyed the American banking system, and willingly signed the Hawley-Smoot tariff act, which effectively curtailed international trade. On taking office, FDR refused to correct these errors. Instead he unleashed such figures as Adolf Berle and Rexford G. Tugwell (diehard admirers of Mussolini), and Harry Hopkins (diehard admirer of Stalin), and looked on benignly as they turned the economy into as close a simulacrum of a totalitarian state as they dared before the Supreme Court stepped in. He then raised both taxes and interest rates, and watched stupefied as yet another crash occurred, equal in magnitude to the first, to leave more Americans unemployed and destitute than when he had entered office. He was at last reduced to begging his cabinet, "Won't someone tell me what to do?"

Apparently, there are some repiggie governors with brains,
as opposed to the congressional morons currently crafting the repiggie "brand."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/us/politics/17repubs.html?_r=1&hp

I know that repiggies get all misty-eyed over the 1950's and white male privilege, but that era is past, and it will not ever come back.

The John Birch Society seems to have a local "bund" in Pinellas County.

Why is it that political hacks like Fasano and Crist, who don’t own homes or pay property taxes and insurance… claim to “feel our pain”?

Fasano is a partisan lightweight. His career has been that of a political opportunist rather than someone who walks in the difficult waters of substance. He caused a law that says history teachers must teach history based on facts as evidence of his shallowness. Facts cannot speak without theory to organize and animate them into argument, but Fasano doesn't understand that.

To him it is about posture and vote getting when unfortunately somebody has to govern--thankfully not him.

Facts? Repiggies manufacture "facts" everyday. Their philosophy is simple - it is true because I say that it is true.
They are laughed at all over the world for their position on the teaching of Creationism in place of science.

[The "Forgotten" People]

Let’s review Fasano’s accomplishments with Chuck at the helm, shall we!

Property tax reform = Failed
Property Insurance reform = Failed
#2 ranking in foreclosure = Success
#2 ranking in job loss = Success
Low ranking in Education = Success
High ranking in Corruption = Success
Making sure Legislators can run for higher office on our dime = Success

Well, one way you can look at it is… there are more successes than failures… although the successes are in failure.

[Man created Man]

i'm am all knowing atheist liberal (be cowed by my comrades such as hitler, mussolini, obama, stalin, castro, chavez etc.---the skys were not created nor was man----it just came about via science.

Calling this a stimulus is wrong to begin with.

Printing greenbacks to spray around to every liberal cause and giving the IOU to generation of children not born yet is insane.

This should be called "The Obama Bust-Out America Act of 2009"

You wanted CHANGE, you got it!

Facts? Democrackadicts despise "facts" everyday. Their philosophy is simple - it is true because someone told me it was.
They are laughed at all over the world for their position on the teaching of Homersexuality in place of natural order.

[roosevelt also had concentration camps]

in the good old USA----what is it with socialist and concentration camps---especially the national socialist party of Germany in the 30s

Facts? Liberal do not believe in facts.

Example: Global Warming. The science is settled. We are in a Global Cooling trend. But dont tell Al Gore that since the Global Warming lie has earned him over $200 Million.

The only thing this bill will stimulate is the brain-dead socialists amongst us.

[Man created public restroom stalls]

i'm am all knowing perverted republican (like my comrades such as hitler, mussolini, osama, stalin, castro, chavez etc.---the skies were not polluted by man----it just came about via my oil buddies.

10:58
"He caused a law", How can he 'cause' a law? What does that mean?

So you are saying historical 'facts' don't exist without some psychobabble interpretation?

The only thing this bill will stimulate is the old, rich, white, corrupt, republican corporatist amongst us.

The good olde USA is gone. The special interests have sold us out.

No longer can you be proud of our once great nation. The whores in DC gave away our manufacturing, wrecked our public education and turned us into the biggest banana republic in the world.

Our punishment for allowing this to happen: Chairman Obama and his band of merry Socialist theives will be happy to drive in the final nails.

For all those on the dole, move over, your numbers are growing. For those middle-class, say goodbye to your little piece of paradise. For those with some wealth, be preparred to Render Unto Chairman Obama, he has plans for your money.

One question: How do I secure a job with the biggest employer in the nation; the Central Government. These will be the only ones eating. The rest of the masses will have soilent green to look forward to.

It looks like we have a multiple posting evangelical repiggie who just doesn't like science or history, and seeks to embrace their polar opposites. Why does your religion teach you to be so nasty? How would you ever hope to attract people to your ideology with that sort of behaviior?

I can hardly wait for the stimulus bill to be signed into law today. I want to see more repiggie heads explode. Of course, watch them elbow everyone else out of the way to be at the front of the line when the money starts coming.

When he promised tax breaks to the middle class, I didn't know he was talking about $13 a week. At that rate it will take me 2,000 weeks (37 years)to make up for the $25k I lost on Wall Street.

Also, who knew that he was going to borrow that $13 from my grandchildren?

Jeeze, what a freaking fraud.

Am I the only one that feels like he was duped by this guy?

The reason Republicans are against the "Great American Bust-Out 2009" is not because it is the worst possible policy; which of course it is.

It is because people that work and pay taxes will have to pay for it.

Since the Democraps are made up of; government lemmins, welfare slobs, illegals, the young and dumb and of course tax cheats like Geitner and Dashele; they will not contribute a dime.

I wonder how much my "stimulus" tax credit is going to cost me over the next 30 years in interest and overhead?

Has anyone worked this out?

Sinclair Lewis once remarked:

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

Has Adam gained a little weight or is it just the camera angle??

[Pay for Play, Baby! It's the Democrat Way!]

The reason the Democrats wanted to pass the stimulus is so that could pay back all of their buddies, like ACORN and Unions, who helped get them elected.

[former republican]

10:30
I am guessing there is at least enough evidence to theorize that several cabinet members were indeed somehow admirers of mousilini and stalin,,,
or rather as you stated, "diehard"
admirers,and why would you describe them exactly as you did?
I know many intelligent and analytical students "STUDY" OR "INVESTIGATE AND RESEARCH" people in history that did great things good and bad,they are called historians! I think you are spinning in typical extremist far right fashion any way possible to paint FDR in a negative light.
If Americans re-think what great things FDR did and turned that back 180% maybe it would be possible to have people believe that Pres Obama is way off course and perhaps Bush wasn't the 4th worse president ever but a brilliant strategist and correctly,so now things are going just as planned.
Couple items to chew on,Bush and his crowd doubled the size of government,
Bush and his crowd tripled our debt.
I say tripled our debt because under bush we quit counting the money stolen from social security as national debt,(budget lite).
Bush challenged financial institutions and told the fed to make available funds to facilitate his dream,the American dream,an ownership society.He also bragged,again on national tv that the housing market and home ownership under him increased drastically as a result of his policies.
You are fighting an uphill battle here,partially because so many DO NOT get their "news" from far right sources.Far too much parroting and obvious one sided reporting tends to turn people away.Take the swamp mouse lie,these people are so bent on anti-anything democratic they run with crazy lies such as this.There is no such thing in the stimulus.I heard jamie duprey tell boortz that all those little things boortz had been claiming were part of the stimulus,well were made up.Most Americans would expect boortz to man up,,,Nope just went on.No retraction.
This has been the story with the far right news for 6 years now,i mean it existed before then,but thats when it took off.Now those same pundits and the RUMORS they love have stomped the credibility out of the party.
I dont want to hear a republican say a word about the stimulus debt unless they are willing to talk about bushs debt!!!

The repiggies have been helping their Wall Street buddies for years, and now it has come to this. They have walked away totally from the Wall Street debacle, and now, all of a sudden, it's Bill Clinton's fault. What else could you expect from those paragons of courage, those flag-waving poppinjays, those moral blue-noses, those golf-cart warriors?

[Conservatives ruined our future and made bailouts necessary.]

Tourism, Florida's one sustainable source of income, has now taken a plunge. I don't suppose it has anything to do with all those empty subdivisions where the woods used to be, or all those new condos on the beachfront, does it? Red tide and pollution from unregulated runoff? No, of course not.

Gulpgulpgulp - ahhh!

Please remember to support your conservative lawmakers in their efforts to streamline further growth. It's great for the economy!

[To the dope at 11:59...Fascism is here]

11:59 -

Sinclair Lewis was a dope and so are you.

Fascism is here...economic fascism, that is. It's not socialism (yet), which is government ownership of business.

It is where the means of production are privately owned, but controlled by the government.

12:11 must be one angry holy roller repiggie. Everything they told him/her that would happen with repiggie rule has turned out to be wrong. Try reading Sinclair Lewis sometime.
You can read about him on Wikipedia, or is that just too liberal a site for you?

Here is more evidence of repiggie managerial expertise at work. The holy rollers in the Bush/Cheney co-presidency
seemed to have no problem with all the disappearing dough:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Missing_Iraq_billions_could_be_greatest_0216.html

[joe the mad voter]

The reason the republicans wanted drastically reduced taxes for the richest Americans was so those super rich would continue to fund there campaigns.
Almost all the "bush" tax cuts benefited
either the super rich or "big" business.
If you are a middle class working person you know there wasn't anything for "us" and not only didnt money trickle down,it flowed upwards.Under bush the middle class lost wage,wealth,and savings.The rich gained in all those areas.
For anyone to think either parties policies does or doesn't benefit a particular economic class you need to read and study up.The middle class does very well under democratic control,the middle class under republican control loses...
History tells us,wall street and our national debt fare far better under democratic control.

12:08;

Golf cart warriors? Man, you really are out of touch.

Caddies are the way to go. Their carbon footprint is smaller and they can read greens too.

"It is where the means of production are privately owned, but controlled by the government."

You mean like Halliburton and Blackwater!

Dubya, Dickey, and the Wall Street boys ushered in fascism years ago.

[get-smart]

FDR entrenched the unions and exempted them from anti-trust laws. FDR believed if the worker had high wages, enforced by the unions, that the worker's purchasing power would create more product demand which in turn would create more production and more jobs (Keynesian). It sounds logical but it didn't work.

It created a class of union workers and a class of the perpetual unemployed. WWII broke the cycle.

Cheers -

The problem isn’t taxes; it’s the corrupt, incumbent, fat-rat politicians who spend/steal out taxes.

We could replace every single politician today, from the local hacks to DC slacks… and tomorrow… your water will turn on, your toilets will flush, your trash will be picked up, schools will be open, government offices will be open, streets will be open, traffic lights will operate, the law will come if you call them… and make no mistake about it; your taxes will be due and collected.

The difference: The folks we replace them with might just do all of that better, more effective, more efficient, and at less a burden to we taxpayers.

“Experience” and “Institutional Knowledge” are incumbent-manufactured fears to help keep them from getting fired for failure in their fiduciary responsibilities, malfeasance, and out-right treasonous actions against our nation.

But what do I know; “Mongo only pawn in game of life.”

FoxNews and the far-right fringe blogs have been trashing FDR lately, so it is now making its way to this blog via the repiggie partisans. All of them have benefitted from the FDR administration, but they are just too stupid and myopic to see it.

Even in Pinellas County, they are already looking forward to some of the stimulus money for road improvements on U.S. 19.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2009/02/pinellas-leader.html

Some of you folks travel this road every day. Will you stop using this road because you disapprove of this "socialism?"

Mongo's right!

And who's the freak fixated on Hoover?

* Enforce secret ballot and voluntary participation in Unions.
* Force banks which took TARP money to write off all residential loans made in 2005-2008.

Sit back and watch things normalize.

When striving for something to say and words collide -

My mellow Americans, I like my predecessors, FDR and JFK, say; "Fear not what you can do for your country -- Fear what your country can do to you."

When striving for something to say and words collide -

My fellow Republicon Corporatist, I like my predecessors Ronny and Popa Bush ask; "Ask not what your politicians and taxes can do for you – Ask what your tax dollars can do for your politicians and their corporate owners."

... this is fun!

despite this nimrod and all his fellow nimrods in the state and the u.s.a.:

YOU MORONS LOST THE ELECTIONS IN 2006 and 2008...BIG TIME!!!!

@SS-KICKING, SENT TO YOUR ROOM WITHOUT DINNER, BIG TIME!!

also, despite your incestuous, inbred delusions, poll after poll of folks outside of d.c. show that

1) folks are significantly IN FAVOR of the "bail-out plan";
2) folks WANT the SOBER, INTELLIGENT, ARTICULATE president to succeed:
3) folks clearly understand the SIGNIFICANT PART the REPIGLICAN PARTY played in the collossal clusterf*&k we are experiencing and want NO MORE to do with said crimials, cretins and deeply-closeted "girlie-men"!

GOD WILLING, you turds are on your way to permanent minority party status, perhaps even oblivion...if not PRISON -- where you will find nice, new "friends"!!

[terminator]

get smart:
you're not so smart if you really believe that.
corporate greed fueled largely by anti-union and anti-labor GOP politicians is the primary cause of our recession.

sorry but corporate welfare and tax cuts for multi-millionaires is a thing of the past. get used to it!

Walmart workers of the world unite!

12:15,

Your posts are ironic on a number of levels. Perhaps your seemingly contradictory statements belie your genius.

First of all, Sinclair Lewis was a novelist. He wrote fiction. So you can quote him as an expert all you want but the fact remains that he wrote stories. Creative? Sure. Successful? Sure. Died from complications related to alcoholism like many other artists? Absolutely.

But your use of Wikipedia as a reference is interesting. As you know, Wikipedia would not serve as an acceptable reference source at any level of academia above sixth grade because of its user generated nature. According to its eponymous decription:

"Wikipedia is written collaboratively by volunteers from all around the world; anyone can edit it. ...Every day, hundreds of thousands of visitors from around the world collectively make tens of thousands of edits ...Visitors do not need specialized qualifications to contribute...This means that people of all ages ...can write Wikipedia articles. Most of the articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Internet, simply by clicking the edit this page link."

So Wikipedia, where users do the editing, facts are checked by peers and other contributers (a 4-year old in Inner Mongolia, a college professor in Cambridge, a pedophile in county lockup) sounds an awful like an unregulated free market. Perhaps your reliance on Wikipedia as a primary reference source makes you a closet believer on free enterprise where an absence of government intervention may actually add some value.

12:26-

No, those corporations chose to enter into cooperative agreements with the government. That is entirely different.

What i am talking about is the government taking control over how private enterprise spends their money, i.e. - caps on bonuses, telling them whether or not they will buy a corporate plane, forcing businesses to unionize, etc.

More delicious repiggie delusions:

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/

Even George Will just makes stuff up, if the facts don't square with his ideology.

Rollback taxes and spending to 2002 levels, cap taxation and spending at the annual CPI going forward, cut all waste, eliminate all pork, eradicate the lobbyists, expand SOH to all property both residential and commercial as a means of control, and vote every incumbent out of office at your first available opportunity.

Problem Solved!

Terminator - I thought we were friends. You must be confusing me with some blow hard blogger.

I was giving God given facts about FDR.

FDR also created Social Security. The original SS was to help out old widow women who were destitute. What happened? It has now become, for some, a retirement scheme.

The corp. welfare and tax cuts that you bring up, wouldn't put a dent in the debt and problems that we face.

The problem is beyond corp greed. The problem is multifaceted.

It started with the outsourcing of manufacturing in the '80s. At first it was contained within the U.S. The auto industry outsourcing a part to a non-union shop to lower cost.

Then in the '90s the banks said "Hey, why don't you take your entire assembly line over to China! No union, no EPA, all profit and we will put up the capital to fund it."

fast fwd -->

So now there is no industrial base left in this country thanks to the criminals on Wall Street in collusion with the criminal politico/lawyer dirtbags.

They new what was happening. They got stinkin' rich and they didn't care.

In parallel was the mortgage debacle of lending money to people they knew could never pay it back. That is the baby of the low life by the name Clinton, Dodd, pervert Frank and a number of dirt face associates.

It then became common practice for banks to write and dump all their bad mortgages into Fannie Mae and Barney Franks. The banks made a killin' and they paid off the garbage on the Hill.

That's where I stand. All I have are the God givin' facts. So don't kill me Mr. Terminator!

Things are so tough these days that even the Stormin' Mormon himself is downsizing a bit:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/17/romney-unloading-two-of-his-mansions/