Crist, Cabinet okay new nuke plant in Levy County

Gov. Charlie Crist and the Cabinet voted today to approve Progress Energy's plan to build a new nuclear plant in Levy County, the first to be built in Florida since 1976.

Crist lauded the nuclear plant as a source of nonpolluting power generation and praised the “diversification of energy” the plant will produce. Attorney General Bill McCollum noted the "passion" of the plant's opponents who are concerned about the plant's impact on wetlands and other environmental issues. But McCollum said the plant will help supply needed power in coming years.

“We are leaving a legacy of waste," complained one opponent, state Rep. Michelle Rehwinkle-Vasilinda. "It is not truly clean. There is waste, and it has to be permanently disposed. We have not figured out how to do that, and I am concerned.”

So far the source of the greatest controversy over the plant has not been the environmental impact but its economics, thanks to a state law that allows the utility to charge its customers in advance to build the $17  billion plant. Meanwhile, Progress Energy has been forced to delay the start of construction by federal permitting issues, and it faces a legal challenge to its permit as well.

Shannon Colavecchio and Craig Pittman, Times Staff Writers

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Comments

[Rhonda]

After all the well-reasoned comments against Cabinet approval, Bill McCollum had the nerve to trump everyone, saying he had studied these issues for a long time, that solar and other renewables could not provide adequately for our energy needs, and that nuclear was not really so bad. Charlie Crist seconded his motion for approval, saying "it is the right thing to do", that he appreciated the impassioned speeches by citizens, commissioners and a Tally Rep, and that he "embraces their right to do so". WHAT???!!!!! Why do we need a DEP, a PSC, or a Cabinet for that matter? Let's just let the big utilities sit in for them, save the Florida tax payers a bundle on their salaries, and get the same dang result!

[lonewolf]

Progress Energy is a parasite. They claim more jobs if 2 nuclear plants are built. What they fail to say is the 500 jobs lost due to coal plant closure. Nuclear waste is very dangerous and it will be stored en mass in Citrus and Levy counties if this boondoggle is built. No NUKES, they are dangerous and expensive. Florida has stopped growing. Wake up. Electricity rates like these obscene one by Progress Energy are going to stop any improvement in the recession in its tracks.

[Tino]

Uh oh, here comes lonewolf, whose vast knowledge of economics and science can fit into a couple of witty exclamations:

dirty!
dangerous!
expensive!
obscene!

He usually follows it up with some fantasyland world where unicorn farts and rainbow dreams provide power for happy, smiling children. He must be slipping...

[Tino]

"it has to be permanently disposed. We have not figured out how to do that, and I am concerned."

No, Ms. Rehwinkle-Vasilinda, we have figured out how to do that. However, your party in Washington recently put an end to the $30 billion facility in Nevada on political, not scientific, grounds.

You should be proud -- you can now use the "we don't have a solution" line once again, while every other developed (and many not-so-developed) country in the world expands their nuclear power capabilities.

For crying out loud, Bangladesh is going to have a new nuclear plant before the US does.

Bangladesh.

[Disgusted]

Tino is the reason I want to leave this state and this country to the wasteland it will become.

[paminator]

Tino's excellent comments are one of the only reasons I still visit this blog site. The misinformation and/or missing information on environmental and energy issues contained in many of the herein-posted articles is a pandemic that needs constant weeding.

The approval of the nuclear reactors is a small step forward. The coming enviro-whacko lawsuits will be the biggest hurdle.

The existing nuclear plants in Florida are a big reason why electricity prices haven't skyrocketed even more than they have. Building reliable, cost-effective nuclear plants with 60 - 100 year operating lives is one of the best legacies we could leave to our children and grandchildren.

The spent fuel rods from reactors are not waste. They still contain more than 90% of their total fissile energy capacity. We know how to extract much of that untapped energy. Other countries have been doing it for decades. Since we will be better able to extract it in the future, spent fuel rods will be looked upon as a godsend of highly concentrated potential energy.

[Tino]

Disgusted, where are you going to go?

The US is on the slow end of the nuclear growth curve. Third world nations and dictator states will be commissioning reactors before we do, and our administration is on record stating that these countries can handle nuclear materials better than the US.

I hope that helps you sleep better at night...

[DR. EDWARD SIEGEL/WHISTLEBLOWER/ORNL/WESTIN"KL"OUSE/PSEG/IAEA/ABB/"FLYING-WATER"]

C O R R E C T E D ! ! ! :

RE.:
"FLORIDA'S O. K. FIRST NUC"EL"AR-REACTOR IN ~ 33 YEARS" . . .
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"CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!"/BEWARE COST(S)(FINANCIAL, ENVIRONMENTAL, TERRORISM) I. E. HUGE RISK(S) AND COST(S) OF NUC"EL"AR-REACTOR/POWER(!!!)/"ENERGY" IN GENERIC ENDEMIC EXTANT PURPOSEFUL MULTI-(6)-DECADES AEC-LABORATORY F R A U D!!!,
I. E.
(SO MIS-CALLED) "SUPER"ALLOYS' M E T A L L U R G I C A L - F R A U D!!!:
(SYNONYMS):
"WIGNER'S-DISEASE"(PHYSICS)/"OSTWALD-RIPENING"(CHEMISTRY)/"SPINODAL-DECOMPOSITION"(PHYSICS)/"OVERAGEING-E M B R I T T L E M E N T"(METALLURGY)/"THERMAL - LEADING-TO -MECHAMNICAL (TLTM) - I N - STABILITY//IN-STABILITIES!!!
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PLEASE EXCUSE ALL-CAPS TYPING DUE TO PARTIAL-(VISUAL & MANUAL-DEXTERITY)-DISABITITIES
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IN N O WAY W H A T S O E V E R IS THE NUC"EL'AR-POWER OPTION "GREEN"/"RENEWABLE"!!!

(ONLINE REFERENCES:
(1) GOOGLE: "IF L E A K S COULD KILL" , FIND ANA MAYO, THE VILLAGE VOICE, (PAGE 38, AUGUST 21,(1978);
(2) THEN GOOGLE: "EDWARD SIEGEL" (then skip one space and try variously) :SUPERALLOYS or WHISTLEBLOWER or SABOTAGE or ESPIONAGE or NUCLEAR or NUCELAR or FRAUD or FLYING-WATER or HINDENBERG-EFFECT or HYDROGEN or TERRAFORMING orLUFT-AGUA or CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-A-TUBE or CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-TUBES or CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-PIPES or CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-PIPELINES ;
(3) THEN GOOGLE "SIDNEY SIEGEL" (skip one space, THE VILLAGE VOICE(NYC), PAGE 38, (AUGUST 21, 1978)
(2) E. SIEGEL, JOURNAL OF MAGNETISM AND MAGNETIC MATERIALS, VOL. 7, P. 312-316(1978)-DELETED ROM WORLD WIDE WEB/INTERNET(JUST TRY TO FIND IT!!! YOU'LL SEE!!!-BUT PHYSICALLY FINDABLE IN ANY DECENT SCIENCE/ENGINEERING LIBRARY!!!
(3) LAWRENCE PRINGLE, "NUC'EL'AR-POWER: ROM PHYSICS TO POLITICS", MACMILLAN(1979)
(4) ROBERT POLLARD, LAST REPORT, UNION O CONCERNED SCIENTISTS(SEPTEMBER,1995)
(5) GO TO WWW.JAPANTIMES.COM AND SEARCH ON: "MONJU"(PREDICTED BY ME IN REFERENCE (2) ABSTRACT!!!~12/12/95; "KEPCO"(~2003); "TEPCO"(~2003); "FUGUN", "TSURUGA" "OBAMA"
(NOT THE PRESIDENT!!!)
(6) GOOGLE ME:
"EDWARD SIEGEL" (skip one space, then try variously) SUPERALLOYS
(7) GO TO WWW.ANIMATEDSOFTWARE.COM, LOCATE ANTI-NUC"EL'AR-SECTOR, AND THEREIN SEARCH ON ME "EDWARD SIEGEL"
(8) E-MAIL c/o CHAVAH36@SAN.RR.COM
(9) GO TO WWW.NRC.GOV AND SEARCH ON "BUT-WELDS" OR SEEK PRESS-RELEASE(~12/26/07)ORDERING MANDATORY INSPECTIONS O A L L PRESSURIZED-WATER NUC"EL"AR-REACTOR "BUTT-WELDS"(EXACTLY AS I/SIEGEL WARNED IN (2) SO VERY LONG AGO!!!
BUT IT IS N O T "STRESS-CORROSION" CRACKING, BUT (SYNONYMS): "WIGNER'S-DISEASE,...ABOVEMENTIONED!!
(10) G. LAI, METALLURGICAL TRANSACTIONS OF THE AIME, VOLUME 9A, PAGE 827(1978)- MAGNIFY SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE FIGURE-2 / y-AXIS!!!
(11) SEARCH ON "DANIEL HORNER"(ONLINE NUC"EL'AR EDITOR) IN: WWW.PLATS.COM AND/OR WWW.LEXISNEXUS.COM (SITES REQUIRE LICENSE OR PAYMENT TO USE!!! WHEN FOUND SEARCH ON: "ALLOY-600", "ALLOY-182", "ALLOY-82", "HASTALLOY-X", "STAINLESS-STEELS", "ALLOY-304", "ALLOY-304L", ETC.!!!
(12) FAMOUS SCIENCE-WRITER BILL BROAD'S NYTIMES ARTICLE: "WHAT SANK THE TITANIC"(~2000)
(13) TWO DENIED BY-ROTE PRO-FORMA FORMAL-ALLEGATIONS TO N.R.C.(~1996; ~1997)-AVAILABLE ON NRC.GOV WEBSITE!!!
(14) CANADA'S CHALK-RIVER NUC"EL"AR-REACTOR IS NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY/ALL NUC"EL"AR-REACTOR/SPENT-FUEL CASKS!!!
VERY WORLD-FAMOUS (LOOK IN ANY SCIENCE/ENGINEERING LIBRARY FOR THE MULTIVOLUME "PEARSON ENCYCLOPEDIA OF METALLURGY", UPDATED BY SWISS E.T.H.(THEIR MIT) EVERY DECADE) CANADIAN (SO MIS-CALLED) "SUPER"ALLOYS' METALLURGIST , COUSIN OF FORMER PRIME MINISTER LESTER PEARSON, AND PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WATERLOO DR. WILLIAM B. PEARSON(RIP!!!) AS A PAID FAMOUS NUC"EL"AR- METALLURGY CONSULTANT TO THE CANADIAN A.E.C./CHALK-RIVER, CONTINUALLY BUT ALAS IN VAIN OVER AT LEAST SIX-DECADES(!!!) WARNED THE CANADIAN NUC"EL"AR-INDUSTRY(AS DID U.S. MIT PROFESSOR NICHOLAS GRANT(RIP) TO DOE/NRC/ALLOY-SUPPLIERS CEOS) ABOUT WHAT IS DETAILED ABOVE

PSYCHOLOGICALLY THESE NUC"EL"AR-TYPES(NEI.ORG; WNA.ORG; EPRI.ORG; DOE.GOV; NRC.GOV; AREVA; EdF, G.E.-HITACHI; A.B.B./COMBUSTION-ENGINEERING(BOTH SUFFERING FROM "TEDMONISM"!!!), ALSTOM, MITSUBISHI-, TOSHIBA-WESTIN"KL"OUSE!!!... AD INFINITUM!!!, AD NAUSEUM!!!) ARE VERY BRAVE FORMER GUNG-HO MILITARY-TYPES ALL TRUE-BELIEVERS SUFFERING FROM GUNG-HO TRUE-BELIEVER(BUT NEVER BUILDERS, ONLY AT MOST MERE MAINTAINERS!!!) , NOT HAVING TO PAY WITH THEIR HUGE CUSTOMER-BASE OF SUCKERS READY/WILLING TO PAY, THEIR HUGE GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIES, AND MINIMAL TO NO REAL "ACCIDENT"(WAITING TO HAPPEN!!!) "INSURANCE" AND "GROUPTHINK"!!!
"QUESTION: WHAT IS "GROUPTHINK"???
THE ANSWER IN SIMPLY ONE WORD: BUSH'S/CHENEY'S "IRAQ!!!"!!!
I.E. IRAQ'S INVISIBLE OR SOME EIGHT-YEARS NOW, AND COUNTING!!!, WEAPONS OF MASS-"DESTRUCTION"/ DECEPTION!!!
ANY QUESTIONS???
SO, AS THE OLD ADAGE GOES, "WHEN IN ROME/BROOKLYN, DO AS THE ROMANS/BROOKLYNESE DO: "CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!" (A.K.A. "WATCH YOUR WALLET(S)!!!"(AND SAFETY!!)
CASES IN POINT: INDIAN-POINT, SALEM 1 & 2, HOPE-CREEK, OYSTER-CREEK,..(GASP!!!)...T.M.I....ANY/ALL!!!

DR. EDWARD SIEGEL/WHISTLEBLOWER/NUC"EL"AR-: METALLURGIST/PHYSICIST
LA JOLLA,

Ph.D.-NUC"EL"AR-METALLURGY-M.S.U.(1970)
M.S.-NUC"EL"AR-PHYSICS-U. OF MICHIGAN(1969)
B.S.-PHYSICS-CCNY/CUNY(1965)
(ATTENDED: COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES, HARVARD, U. OF PENNSYLVANIA, N.Y.U., QUEEN MARY COLLEGE/U. OF LONDON)
WESTIN"KL"OUSE/BETTIS/FOREST HILLS/WALZ MILLS/MONROEVILLE/R&D.-BEULAH RD.(1973-1974)-SENIOR-METALLURGIST & ACOUSTIC-EMISSION NDT/NDE MANAGER
P.S.E.&G.(BIG N.J. UTILITY: SALEM 1 & 2, HOPE CREEK, OYSTER CREEK)-CHIEF METALLURGIST & MANAGER/NDT/NDE(1975-1976)
I.A.E.A.-INDONESIA/PAKISTAN/IRAN/VIENNA, AUSTRIA-NUC"EL"AR-FUELS/CERAMICS AND NUC'EL'AR-METALLURGY
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(T H I S IS T R U E L Y RENEWABLE!!!):

ONLINE REFERENCES:
(1) GoOGLE: "IF LEAKS COULD KILL" , FIND: ANA MAYO, THE VILLAGE VOICE(NYC), PAGE 38, (AUGUST 21, 1978)
(2) E. SIEGEL, JOURNAL OF MAGNETISM AND MAGNETIC MATERIALS, VOL. 7, P. 312-316(1978)-DELETED ROM WORLD WIDE WEB/INTERNET(JUST TRY TO FIND IT!!! YOU'LL SEE!!!-BUT PHYSICALLY FINDABLE IN ANY DECENT SCIENCE/ENGINEERING LIBRARY!!!
(3) THEN GOOGLE "SIDNEY SIEGEL" (skip one space AND READ ANY/ALL GOOGLE WEBPAGES LINKS VERY VERY VERY CAREFULY!!!)
(5) SEE: LAWRENCE PRINGLE, "NUCLEAR-POWER: FROM PHYSICS TO P O L I T I C S", MACMILLAN(1979)!!!

THE (SO-MIS-CALLED) "ENERGY"(DOES N O USEFUL/EXTRACTABLE WORK", MARK ZEMANSKY, "THERMODYNAMICS", ADDISON-WESLEY(1943, 1945, 1960,...) "CRISIS"/"SHORTAGE"
WAS/IS/WILL BE C O M P L E T E - N O N S E N S E!!!

BUT THERE IS A GLOBAL-WARMING/CLIMATE-CHANGE DRIVEN/EXACERBATED
"DIHYDROGEN-MONOXIDE", A.K.A. H2O, A.K.A. W A T E R WORLDWIDE-CRISIS!!!

(P R E-SCIENT REFERENCES:
(1) "TAPPED-OUT: THE COMING GLOBAL WATER CRISIS", BY SENATOR PAUL SIMON(RIP!!!)! AND SHIMON PERES(~1998)
(2) NIGHTLINE, TED KOPPEL INTERVIEW WITH JOHN GANNON, CIA DEPUTY DIRECTOR, AND HIS NEW-DISEASES AND WATER EXPERTS!!!(~1998(?))

GLOBAL-WARMING EXACERBATED/DRIVEN TAPPED-OUT GLOBAL-DROUGHT(S) HAVE/ARE/WILL DOMINATE ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT AN "ENERGY"(DOES N O USEFUL/EXTRACTABLE WORK"!!!

EUPHEMISTICALLY (IN ANALOGY TO EINSTEIN'S FAMOUS (1905) E = mc^2)::

(INTEGRAL=S) ((P=dE/dt) dt = "E" = (WORLD-POPULATION) x (H20)^2

PORTABLE POTABLE ANY/ALL/BOTTLED WATER BANS NECESSITATE ENHANCED WATER RESOURCES BY WATER MANUFACTURING, I.E. MAKING NEW WATER IN NEW (INCREASINGLY GLOBAL-WARMING DRIVEN/EXACERBATED ARRID) PLACES.

VIA "HYDROGEN IS 'FLYING-WATER'/'LUFT-AGUA'", A.K.A. THE HINDENBERG-EFFECT(ARCHIMEDES' BUOYANCY): HYDROGEN-UP; WATER-DOWN: "TERRA-FORMING", A.K.A. "CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-PIPES/TUBES/PIPELINES".
THIS NOT ONLY JUST FULFILLS, BUT IS THE ROOT-CAUSE ULTIMATE-ORIGIN(1956-1960) THE "CICERONE"(NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES PRESIDENT; FAMED ATMOSPHERIC-CHEMIST)-"HOLDREN"(WHITE HOUSE SCIENCE ADVISOR) "GEO-ENGINEERING, HERE A.K.A. "TERRA-FORMING"!!!

SIEGEL (REFERENCES: 1957: WESTIN"KL'OUSE SCIENCE COMPETITION PROJECT, ERASMUS HALL HIGH-SCHOOL, FLATBUSH, KENSINGTON, BROOKLYN(1957) & 1979; "THIRD INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES", BAL HARBOR, FLORIDA(1979); T. NIHAT VEZIROGLU EDITOR, WORLD/SPRINGER(1980)-HARD TO FIND!!!-
VOLUME-5/PAGE-457!!!
(LAST PAPER IN THAT VOLUME!!!;
OR GOOGLE ) AT AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY MARCH MEETING, NEW ORLEANS(2007); ALSO LONG-AGO POSTED ON ANDREW REVKIN'S "DOT.EARTH' COLUMNS IN NEW YORK TIMES SCIENCE-SECTION!!!), "FLYING-WATER", A.K.A. "LUFT-AGUA", A.K.A. "THE HINDENBERG-EFFECT",(HYDROGEN-UP; WATER-DOWN) A.K.A. "CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-TUBES/PIPES/PIPELINES", DEPENDING UPON SIEGEL "GIANT-MAGNETORESISTANCE"(1973-197; 1978!!!VERSUS, "FERT"(THALES GROUP; FRANCE)-"GRUENBERG"(KFZ;/NUC"EL"AR RESEARCH CENTER-JUELICH; GERMANY ) 2007 PHYSICS: NOBEL, WOLF/ISRAEL), AND JAPAN PRIZES!!!),
IN TURN DEPENDING UPON (...-HERRING-ALEFELD-ERTL-YOUDELIS-RADD-SIEGEL-....) "DIFFUSIVE-MAGNETORESISTANCE" OF HYDROGEN IN PIPELINES'/ TUBES'/ PIPES' ("FERRITIC"/BCC) ORDINARY-STEELS( REFERENCE:: JOURNAL OF MAGNETISM AND MAGNETIC MATERIALS("JMMM"), VOLUME 7, PAGES 312-316(1978)-PURPOSELY(ELSEVIER; THALES GROUP; KFZ-JUELICH ) DELETED(ONLY VOLUMES 7 AND 10(ITS INDEX VOLUME), OUT OF SEVERAL HUNDRED SCANNED, BEGINING ~ 1972) FROM WORLD WIDE WEB/INTERNET(JUST TRY TO FIND IT ONLINE AT THAT JOURNAL'S WEBSITE!!! YOU'LL SEE!!!: "UNAVAILABLE"; "NOT 'YET' SCANNED"(SINCE 1978!!!???)-BUT PHYSICALLY FINDABLE IN ANY DECENT SCIENCE/ENGINEERING LIBRARY!!!), CAN AND DOES PROVIDE ANY/ALL FOREST-FIRE CONTROL/MITIGATION!!!
WATER TANKERS HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY, EVEN 707s FULLY LOADED!!!.
"FLYING-WATER"( IS HYDROGEN!!!) ENVISIONS A DOUBLE MILES-SQUARE MYLAR-PLASTIC BALLOONS: BOTTOMMOST F ILLED WITH INERT GAS (CO2 OR ENVIRONMENTALLY BETTER N2, PURE-NITROGEN) VERSUS TOPMOST FILLED WITH FLAMMABLE HYDROGEN, TO PROVIDE CLASSIC ARCHIMEDES' ("EUREKA, I'VE FOUND IT!!!") BUOYANCY TO BINARY-BALLOON. TO PROVIDE THE LIFT/'LUFT"!!!
TOWED HIGH-UP OVER FOREST-FIRE, FLARES ARE FIRED INTO TOPMOST-BALLOON PROVIDING BINARY-BALLOON BUOYANCY. ITS HYDROGEN IGNITES AND BURNS("THE HINDENBERG-EFECT"), RELEASING BOTTOMMOST BALLOON TO CRASH DOWN ONTO FOREST FIRE, EITHER CRACKING OPEN OR MELTING OPEN, SPEWING FIRE EXTINGUISHING (CO2 OR ENVIRONMENTALLY-BETTER N2) TO SMOTHER FOREST FIRE, THEN RAINED ON ("THE HINDENBERG-EFECT"-HYDROGEN-UP; WATER-DOWN: "TERRA-FORMING"!!!) BY WATER FROM BURNING HYDROGEN FROM TOPMOST-BALLOON: "THE HINDENBERG-EFECT": HYDROGEN-UP(CARRYING (CO2 OR ENVIRONMENTALLY BETTER N2)..

SEE: NOW'S/PBS' "ON THIN ICE" AND DEUTSCHE-WELLE'S "TWILIGHT OF THE GLACIERS" WERE SPOT-ON AND ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT!!!
BUT WHILE REVERSING WORLDWIDE GLOBAL-WARMING DRIVEN GLACIER-MELTING IS MOST PROBABLY A VERY-LONG-TERM MANY-CENTURIES EFFORT, VERSUS THIS, SHORT-TERM NEEDS TO REPLENISH GLACIER-MELTING WATERS AT HIGH ALTITUDES/UPHILLS ARE ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY NOW!!!
LUCKILY FOR MANKIND, TWO THIRDS OF THE WATER/H2O MOLECULE, HYDROGEN/H2, BEING THE LIGHTEST ELEMENT [ATOMIC/MOLECULAR-WEIGHTS RATIO: [O]/[H20] = 16/18 = ~ 88%,TOO HEAVY/TOO MUCH WORK/POWER/"ENERGY" TO PUMP OXYGEN TO HIGHER-ALTITUDES/UPHILLS VERSUS [H2]/[H2O] = 2/18 ~ 12%], IS DISPLACEABLE VIA ARCHIMEDES' BUOYANCY TO HIGHER ALTITUDES/UPHILLS, USING "LIVING OF THE 'LAY OF THE LANDS' " GEOMORPHOLOGY, BY VIRTUALLY ANYTHING/EVERYTHING ELSE: AIR, NITROGEN, ETC....!!! UPON COMBUSTION WITH (ALREADY-THERE!!!; THUS NO NEED TO PUMP TO HIGHER-ALTITUDES/UPHILLS/NO NEED TO DO HUGE WORK/USE HUGE POWER/"ENERGY"!!![I.E. WATER IS TO HEAVY TO PUMP TO HIGHER-ALTITUDES/ UPHILLS BECAUSE OXYGEN IS TOO HEAVY TO PUMP TO HIGHER-ALTITUDES/UPHILLS!!!]) OXYGEN AT ALTITUDES/ UPHILLS, GLACIER-MELTING WATER-REPLENISHMENT BECOMES POSSIBLE!!!(EVEN IF THERE IS NO WAY TO REFREEZE THIS WATER INTO ICE TO RECONSTITUTE THE MELTING/MELTED-GLACIERS).
ORIGINAL SIEGEL [~1957-~1979-1980: "INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON ALTERNATIVE-ENERGY", BAL HARBOR, FLORIDA; T. NIHAT VEZIROGLU EDITOR; PUBLISHED BY SPRINGER/WORLD (1980)-VOLUME 5/PAGE 469!!!]
"FLYING-WATER", A.K.A. "HINDENBERG-EFFECT" [HYDROGEN-UP; WATER-DOWN: "TERRAFORMING"], A.K.A. "CHEMICAL-RAIN-IN-TUBES/PIPES/PIPELINES, BRINGING NEW WATER TO NEW PLACES UPHILL AS HYDROGEN: "TERRAFORMING"; RENEWABLES-HYDROGEN-WATER SCALEABLE CUSTOMIZABLE RETROFITABLE INTEGRATED OPERATING-SYSTEM, WHICH DEPENDS ON SIEGEL PROPRIETARY "MAGNETIC-HYDROGEN-VALVE"(FOR SALE)INTELLECTUAL-PROPERTY. IT'S PRETTY DRY ALMOST EVERYWHERE AND
W A T E R, NOT ENERGY, IS T H E PROBLEM, NOT FOR JUST "SUSTAINABILITY", BUT FOR MANKIND'S VERY
S U R V I V A B I L I T Y !!! INFO? CALIFORNIA-TIMES: BEST:(858) 270-5111 [MOST WEEKDAYS AND SATURDAYS: ~ 9:00 AM - ~ 3:00 PM/13:30; SUNDAYS: ~ 1:00 AM - ~ 5:00 PM/17:00];(858) 490-1340-VOICEMAILS;(CANNOT RETURN INTERNATIONAL CALLS EXCEPT TO CANADA);
FLYING-WATER@SAN.RR.COM AND DUPLICATE TO CHAVAH36@SAN.RR.COM. MOST SINCERELY, DR. EDWARD SIEGEL,"FLYING-WATER"/LA JOLLA

PORTABLE POTABLE BOTTLED WATER BANS NECESSITATE ENHANCED WATER RESOURCES BY WATER MANUFACTURING, I.E. MAKING NEW WATER IN NEW (INCREASINGLY GLOBAL-WARMING DRIVEN/EXACERBATED ARRID) PLACES.

DR. EDWARD SIEGEL
PRINCIPAL/CHAIRMAN/INTELLECTUAL-PROPERTY OWNER/FIRST INVENTOR OF "FLYING-WATER", A.K.A. "TERRA-FORMING", THE VERY FIRST PRACTICAL"CICERONE"(NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES PRESIDENT)-"HOLDREN"(WHITE HOUSE SCIENCE-ADVISOR "GEO-ENGINERING"
(OF THE SCIENCE-FICTION IMMORTALS/GREATS, AFTER: H. G. WELS(RIP)-OLAF STAPLETON(RIP)-ISAAC ASIMOV(RIP)-THEODORE STURGEON(RIP)-ROBERT HEINLEIN(RIP)-ARTHUR C. CLARKE-HAL CLEMENT-BEN BOVA-...-DAVID BRIN-GREGORY BENFORD!!!)
MINERALOGIST/PETROLOGIST/SOLID-STATE /CATALYSIS-CHEMIST/METALLURGIST/PHYSICIST/MATHEMATICIAN/...PHYSICAL-MATHETHECIST"/"MATHSICIST"
LA JOLLA

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[Tino]

see, kids, this is why you should stay in school and not do drugs.

[betty]

Great site-thank you! Check it out-Google CEO Schmidt says punching down into the earth to capture natural and clean geothermal energy could help move the United States away from it's dependence on petroleum. Dec.16,2008 Betty http://www.geothermalquestions.net

[Tino]

Betty, that site didn't tell me how warm water from under my house is going to fill up my gas tank and take me places.

Can you fill us in on your logic?

[lonewolf]

I am of the opinion that these 2 boondoggles will never be built.

[Tino]

If they aren't built, we will just get several more natural gas plants, which 1. introduce extremely volatile fuel prices and 2. are banned in 20 years under Waxman-Markey because they spew that "toxic, poisonous" (source: Barbara Boxer) CO2!

But then the next time nat gas prices get volatile, these same professional complainers will come out of the woodwork and gripe about that, too.