Tebow may be part of inquiry into NCAA violations

GAINESVILLE - The ongoing inquiry by Florida's compliance office into possible secondary NCAA violations in the recruitment of wide receiver Carl Moore may include quarterback Tim Tebow, according to a report out of California.

According to a story in the Sacramento Bee, Florida coach Urban Meyer called Moore from the Heisman Trophy ceremony on Dec. 7 aand later gave his phone to Tebow to talk to Moore.

NCAA rules prohibit student athletes from contacting or talking with recruits at the suggestion of coaches. An athlete currently enrolled at the school can only make contact with a recruit on his own.

Jamie McCloskey, Florida's senior associate athletic director for compliance, has acknowledged that his office is looking into whether Meyer committed a secondary NCAA violation by telephoning Maranda Smith, Moore’s girlfriend, during his recruitment asking her to help convince Moore to transfer from Sierra Community College. Moore and Smith have both transferred from community college and enrolled at UF.

Smith was quoted in a newspaper article as saying Meyer called her every day in November to talk about Moore. Smith has since said Meyer only contacted her because Moore gave her number to Meyer for times when he couldn't be reached on his cell phone.

McCloskey said his office is reviewing Meyer's phone records, but he does not have a timetable for concluding the ongoing investigation.

Comments

The more they dig, the worse it will get. Meyer has been more than shady going back to Bowling Green. The way that he lies to recruits has been overlooked, because its not against the rules. But since he makes such a habit of it, there's a chorus of complaints. Other coaches, especially from the SEC will stand in line to tell the NCAA about possible recruiting violations.

The NCAA doesn't have time for this. They are too busy investigating USC and Reggie Bush (tic).

Who cares, the only thing that matters in the end is winning. Not how you do it. Look at the NFL, the coach of year gets caught cheating and now he's in the Super Bowl.

[Mike]

That's funny 8:14. I never hear of ANY players calling Meyer a liar. As a matter of fact they seem to talk about him as a second father figure. Parents love him and every recruit I have heard recruits talk about the reasons that they chose Florida was the family atmosphere there. The only negative thing was from Patrick Johnson when he got called out for allegedly cheating on his ACT. So I will patiently wait for examples of your allegations. Get Facts!

[Lewis]

Another UF scandal? me shocked!

Nothing to see here, move along . . .

[tebow]

Unless Florida can quickly sweep this under the rug they normal do, this will turn out to be a mess.

[Bob]

No matter what happens with this, it can NEVER top Meyer's recruiting of Jevan Snead. From the book Meat Market by Bruce Feldman

"Snead had watched outside the lines special on Tebow in which it showed Meyer and OC Dan Mullen in the stands. Problem was, Meyer had told Snead, committed at the time, that he was the only quarterback they were going after. When Snead asked Meyer about it, Meyer responded, "We are recruiting him for linebacker."

This tells you all you need to know about Urban Meyer.

[Mike]

Yeah, he should go with the guy who couldn't even beat out Colt McCoy for a job. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Whatever, take away a sholarship or two next year and we will still have a top ranked class.

[Steve]

What a revelation; an NCAA coach illegally recruits a player for another sport, illegally recruits a player for his own program, and people have the audacity to claim there is no wrong doing in either case.... and people wonder what has gone wrong with society

[HOMER]

Another UF incident that will go unnoticed nationally, and be swept under the rug b/c the Florida state attorney is a UF Grad. Wow, no wonder FSU gets all the attention in the State.

[Jay]

"No wonder FSU gets all the attention in the State"... Homer, you are right. I guess half of a football team cheating is not a big deal. That's right. Everyone does it! Let's keep everything in perspecive and count phone calls! I do not advocate any NCAA infraction and think, if guilty UF should be appropriately penalized. But if anyone is going to chastise someone, back it up with facts. Anything less makes the poster seem like, well, a chump.

[Tom]

So, Mike you're saying that it was okay for Meyer to lie to the Snead kid because he wasn't as good a QB as Tebow?

And this was proven to be, because Snead didn't even win the starting QB job where he ended up going to school.

So, its okay for Urban Meyer to lie to 18/19 year olds about their college (and perhaps NFL) future, but all's well that ends well as long as Meyer is able to get a better player (in this case Tebow) to commit (and enroll). Got it. No problem.

[Paul]

Actually Homer, only crimes are swept under the rug. (See Joiner, Cunningham, Brandon James, etc.)

[Mike]

What I am saying Tom is that Meyer has a job to do. When an opportunity arises, you go after it. Snead along with every other recruit talks to hundreds of coaches throughout the recruiting process. The deciding factor for both the athlete and the coach is what is going to fill their needs the best. It is the same thing as an athlete giving an oral commitment and backing out at the last minute. He has made a promise and broke it when something better arrives. It leaves the coach hastily trying to find someone to fill that position. But hey, Just because it is a coach who has worked to get to this position all his life shouldn't matter, right? He can find another job somewhere. Oh and it is ok for the student to change his decision but not the coach?

[Mike]

Sounds to me like there is some Gator haters here. That's ok though, When Florida takes care of UM AND FSU next year we will see how many more haters we can get!

[MikeHeartsTebone]

Mike....there is a huge difference in an "oral commitment" by an 18 yr old kid (nothing signed and the coach is fully aware of this) and a coach who is a "father figure" as you called Urban Meyer Weiner in a previous post. We're talking about a man making millions and who is supposed to be setting examples for these kids, getting a reputation as a liar and a cheat....DO you lie to your kids Mike? When you get a chance, go see "We Are Marshall" and you'll see a portrayal Bobby in an amazing light....that's the kind of examples you want to set for these young men. Not the "do what it takes even if it's bending the rules" attitude.

[Mike]

PLEASE DON'T USE BOBBY BOWDEN AS AN EXAMPLE OF A ROLE MODEL! Are you kidding me? You are using something you saw in a freaking movie as true facts? The scandals that have taken place at FSU and THAT is who you want to use as an example? You Criminoles are something else. You want a real example of a role model and father figure? Look at Tony Joiner. He was going down the wrong path early in his enrollment at UF when URBAN MEYER brought him into his home to live and direct him down the right path. That is being a role model. Bowden doesn't even know his players names! He stands in a booth during practice and watches his assistants teach these kids. Its a good thing you have a new coaching staff that actually cares about the well being of those kidsotherwise they would most likely end up like the thugs from the U.

[Mike]

When a student makes a commitment to a coach it is supposed to be that which the coach and his staff can rely on. It is just as much about teaching responsibility as it is about the sport. Things change and everyone realizes that but if your word is that shallow then maybe you are not ready for the responsibility of being a teammate.

[GoodPointMike]

Mike,
Excellent example of a kid who really "turned it around"!!! Tony Joiner!!!Ha, that's laughable. What he should have done is called his Dad (Meyer) and asked if he had a key to the tow lot to get his girlfriend's car out for him instead of breaking and entering....luckily the owner was a Gator fan. I look forward to your next excellent example.

By the way Mike, I am a graduate (twice) of UF but grew up an FSU fan and stayed true. Seeing everything that goes on at UF first hand, and seeing it constantly swept under the carpet makes it easy to remain a Nole. Yes, we have had our problems, but we investigate them thoroughly and impose punishments before the NCAA has to even get involved. UF is the other way around. Remember this????

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE4D9133EF930A35752C1A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

[Bill]

Mike,

Let's see if you're still working at age 78.....and let's see if you even know you're name.

[Mike]

Tony Joiner now has a degree because of the efforts and dedication of Urban Meyer. I consider that "turning it around". Although I don't condone his actions, Joiner did refrain from any violence or disruption unlike Geno Hayes and Surratt. But hey, sitting Hayes down for the first drive of the next game is considered suffice in Bowden's program. I'm sure that taught him a lesson. Not to mention the scandal that has plagued your entire athletics program. Don't think that the NCAA is not currently investigating it.

[Mike]

Bill, what???

[Cunningham]

You're a joke Mike

[Mike]

Keep the faith cunningham.You and your noles will be cool enough again to have haters post on your blog!

[Cunningham]

Thanks Mike, but I'm a Hurricane fan. 5 NC's and Gaytors haven't beaten us since the early 80's (mostly because they've had to pick up the Western Carolina's of the world and didn't have room for the Canes...but I digress). Meyer is going to be just like Coker...NC in his second year, with someone elses player and slowly fade away. Only difference is that Coker played for the NC again in his 3rd year; whereas Cryer went 9-4. Get a clue Mike. 100 years of football and 2 good ones to show for it. 2% ain't bad!!!

[Mike]

Wow Cunningham, after a 5-7 season I didn't know there were any Canes fans left? You sure don't show up to your own games! I would have more respect for you as a Nole. Urban now has a top three recruiting class every year he has been a Gator. It is going to take scUM quite a while to get back any respect as a football program. USF has now passed you in rankings of Florida schools! It will be fun to watch them chew up and spit out Miami this year. We play in the SEC and went 9-4. The ACC is one of the worst D-1 conferences last year. Keep hold of those 80's memories cause it will be a long, long, long time before Canes fans ever see glory days like that again! But you will see us in the BCS Championship Game next year!!

[Bill]

Mike:

Your comment: "Bowden doesn't even know his players names!"

Sick and tired of the same old Gator retort for attempting to belittle D-1's all time winningest coach! (No, Urbans not even close)....

FLORIDA STATE FOOTBALL

*60 years of excellence *451 all time wins *31 straight winning seasons (NCAA active record) *90’s ESPN College Team of the Decade *2 National Championships *5 National Championship game appearances in 8 years (93,96,98,99,00) *4 out of 5 years appeared for National Championship (96,98,99,00) *14 consecutive Bowl games without a loss(82-95)(NCAA record) *11 consecutive bowl victories (NCAA record) *12 ACC Championships *14 consecutive years ranked in the AP top 5 (NCAA record) *14 consecutive 10 win seasons (NCAA record) *10 years without a loss at home (91-01) *Major College football's all time wins leader, Bobby Bowden. (373 wins).

[Tex]

Wasnt Tebow home-schooled? I believe he was. To show for it he got an 890 on his SAT. I guess his mom is an idiot.

[Mike]

Come on Bill, You know he isn't the all time winningest coach.You can't count wins at Samford. He's a fossil. The game has passed him by. Deal with it. Urban has coached for 7 years and is 70-16. Bowden is 58-32 in the same time period. As for your list of fun facts, No doubt F$U has been very successful in the past. Too bad it hasn't been versus the Florida Gators. The current record is 31-19-2 and the last 4 in a row. You need to worry about the direction your program is heading instead of envying the Gators. You might end up like scUM and have a losing record next year.

[Reno]

Mike you're an idiot. I am a Florida grad and love the Gators but I sincerely have to question Meyer's recruiting tactics (which, by the way, is the topic of the article). I feel like Meyer is in it for himself and he could care less about being a father figure to his athletes. Tony Joiner is a perfect example. As a father wouldn't you want your kids to have to learn from their mistakes instead of having someone bail them out all the time. Its all part of the growing up process. Also, lets stop referring to the Seminoles as "criminoles", we've had just as many, if not more, players arrested. The only difference is we do a better job of covering it up. As far as the academic scandal that happened at FSU; it happens everywhere. I had numerous football and basketball players trying to cheat off me during my tenure as a student at UF. Think about the kind of athletes top tier programs recruit. They're not the smartest kids on the block. All they need is someone telling them that they have the answers to a test, and of course they'll jump on the opportunity to get an A. Everyone would. As a proud graduate of the University of Florida, I am very disappointed in your thinking. Grow up and admit that we dont run a clean program. I know it, you know it , and everyone knows it

[reno]

By the way Mike, Bobby Bowden is the all-time winningest coach in major College Football History. The #'s dont lie. Maybe if we would have had Bobby Bowden that whole time, we wouldn't have been punished by the NCAA and almost given the death penalty. Iam sometimes embarrassed to call myself a Gator fan b/c of idiots like you

[Mike]

Wow I would be embarrassed to be you too reno. The numbers say that legendary Coach Eddie Robinson (408) is the all time winningest football coach in the NCAA. Coach Joe Paterno (373)is the all time winningest D-1 coach in Ncaa followed by Coach Bobby Bowden (373 total, 342 D-1). #'s don't lie reno! And what is it your exactly saying about student-athletes intelligence? Sounds very stereotypical of you to suggest that they are not as smart as who, you? Where are your facts about Meyer's recruiting tactics? He called a prospect when he should not have and called his girlfriend too. Yes, that is wrong but how does that make him this terrible, lying heathen you all are makinghim out to be? Find me one recruit(doesn't have to be a person we signed)that has said anything bad about him. as far as cheating goes, It is not UF faculty that is guilty of giving answers to student-athletes. Maybe you should go and take a hard look at your diploma and think about what you are saying about our program. It is despicable that you would Call yourself a Gator fan and spew such filth about our program.

[Mike]

Antonya as a faithful Gator, you should ban these so-called "Gator fans" from this blog forever! They have no facts and no merit to prove their mudslinging.

[reno]

Jim Wright, NCAA director of statistics, says a coach needs at least a five-year career to make an NCAA "active" victories list and 10 years to make an all-time list.

"Once he hits that, all previous games he coached are counted, provided they came against four-year schools," Wright says.

As Wright points out, the criteria are not specific to the Bowden-Paterno issue, nor to just football.

"It's a long-term policy," Wright says. "I've been (with the NCAA) for 30 years, and it was in place before I started. ... What we're trying to represent here is a coach's career.

Either way, with or w/o Samford Bobby Bowden will never be surpassed by my boy Spurrier or by Meyer.

They're not as smart as me. Look at their test scores. Not many of them would even be going to college w/ football.

There have been may recruits that are turned off by him. The example given above about Jevan Snead is a good example. There have been others that dont care for his negative recruiting (bad mouthing other schools particularly). Julio Jones, the nations #1 recruit, is the most notable.

Actaully, it was one Academic Advisor, who has since lost the job, that is guilty of giving their players answers.

I know 10x more about the UF football program than you do. My dad played football and my mom was a cheerleader for UF. I grew up on those sidelines. My father has more respect for Bobby Bowden as man and a coach, than you would ever deserve. My father, of course was happy for the us winning our 2nd national championship, as any true Gator would, but he is not big on Urban Meyer. He's sick of all his negative recruiting. At least you're consistent w/ your posts that you dont condone any actions taken by Meyer, Joiner, and others. So, why do you support it?

[Cunningham]

Damn Reno! Put it to him! The SAT must have been Superman's kryptonite!!! Bowden woulda had probably 3 more NC's if he didn't have to play my Canes every year! HerBeen Cryin might win next year since we're rebuilding, but if he keeps us on the schedule too much longer....look out for a good stiff Brock Berlining of the Gaytors

[Mike]

You still are not coming with ANY factual evidence! Julio Jones was just on campus two weeks ago and said nothing of the sorts. Show me where Jones said anything negative. I think you are talking about Patrick Johnson crying beacuse he got called out for cheating on his ACT and blamed UF for it. He couldn't qualify at UF so he went to LSU ( where he still can't qualify). Believe me I stay updated on all Florida recruiting and I have never heard anything negative about Urban Meyer. Maybe pop doesn't like him cause he's not throwing his visor every game. He is not Spurrier and as much as I admire SS, I think Meyer's coaching is more welcome by some of the more suttle athletes on our team (i.e. Harvin, Tebow). Were not recruiting loud mouth thugs that are all about "me". You are entitled to your opinion but I will say that You are the ONLY Gator fan that I have ever heard say they DON'T like Meyer. And I am not going to get into it aboput who knows more. That's childish. I follow UF football with a passion and you might say you know more and you might be right. All I am saying is that you can't come to me with bulls**t and not expect a response. See I am a die hard Gator fan and we will be loyal to our program through thick ( 2 national titles, 7 SEC titles, 3 Heisman winners) and thin (Zook era). I would expect a little more pride out of you for YOUR program rather than praising our rival.

[Mike]

Cunningham you need to worry about beating USF first. baby steps. baby steps.

[reno]

Mike, as much as we hate Miami, we really cant talk. They have 5 national championships, to our 2, and for some reason we're too scared to play them. For good reason of course, the beat us down the last couple of times they played us.

[Barry]

Mike, get a clue. Tebow is a loud mouth. He may not be a thug like Joiner, Cunningham, Reggie Nelson, Marcus Thomas, etc. but he talks more %$#@ on the football field than anyone. Also, Harvin was trouble maker in high school. He had to be removed from several sporting events b/c of his actions.

[Treet Waters]

I always get a kick out of the naive gator fans that tell UM fans to hold on to their memories of the 80's????? I guess if you consider 2001 the 80's, then you get a guy with the intelligence of Tebow. Oh, and UM played for the title again in 2002, had 16 NFL first rounders off that 01 team, and for those who think UM played a weak schedule, their 01 schedule was one of the toughest in the nation that year and included wins against SEC teams and 6 teams on their schedule that year were ranked in the final AP top 25. Here is a quote for you that sums up the Gators: "Gators have the arrogance of Notre Dame, and the tradition of Wake Forest"!!! All schools have their issues with violations and all that, but mark my word, Urban Liar will end up hosing the gators, and moving on....all he cares about is that big head of his. He has been called out repeatedly, and is always mentioned among coaches who use less than honorable recruiting tactics

[Miko]

Seminoles deserve respect because they are willing to play anyone, anywhere....unlike one of the other big 3 in Florida...man, it must suck to dodge a team year in and year out, only to get pitted against that team in a bowl and get waxed.....I guess if I were UF I would be very cautious about scheduling UM.
By the way, please don't mention Bobby Bowden in the same sentence with broke back Urban Liar....thats a disgrace to one of the few class acts left in the coaching circle.

Go Noles!!!

Gay Goters.....I mean....

[Ricky Bobby]

Well put Treet and Miko

[Mike]

Wow, both Canes fans on this board? Glad to see the two of you still show your faith in that sorry program you call a football team! This football we are talking about, right? Of course he is loud on the field, he's a leader! But he backs up what he says (See Geno Hayes). Harvin did get into trouble in high school and then he came to UF and learned discipline and respect for his peers. Now he is a candidate for a Heisman next year. Wow, I wonder how he turned it around? Couldn't be Urban Meyer the coaching staff, and his teammates could it? I guess he could have gone to scUM and learned to brawl on the field. Hate on these guys all you want but any of you would beg to have the these playmakers on your squad! And yes you did beat us in the Zook era. Its too bad the roles are reversed and now you are sitting with the weak coach. Maybe if you could hold on to any of your recruits in your own backyard, you would be able to compete again. But it looks like you will be scrapping with the USF's of the league for a while. Get a clue loser Urban isn't going anywhere! You couldn't get that lucky!

[Mike]

They are willing to play anyone anywhere and LOSE! Unless of course scUM comes to your house and dominates you like last year!

[Mike]

You f$u and scUM fans are a joke! Nobody respects either program anymore. f$u finally put together a recruiting class but you have done that before and you just can't coach them up to be winners (i.e. X Lee, D Weatherford, A Smith, need I go on?) And scUm can't even hold on to the recruits they get! I can't wait until we get to wipe your a!%&s this year and head to the Championship game!

[Vewrnon Maxwell- I love the powder]

You have mentioned in previous posts about the history between FSU and UF. Here is a little history for you. Mike, you've had a football program for 100 yrs and won 2 national titles. Is that a successful football program. I think not.

A friendly reminder:

FLORIDA STATE FOOTBALL

*60 years of excellence *451 all time wins *31 straight winning seasons (NCAA active record) *90’s ESPN College Team of the Decade *2 National Championships *5 National Championship game appearances in 8 years (93,96,98,99,00) *4 out of 5 years appeared for National Championship (96,98,99,00) *14 consecutive Bowl games without a loss(82-95)(NCAA record) *11 consecutive bowl victories (NCAA record) *12 ACC Championships *14 consecutive years ranked in the AP top 5 (NCAA record) *14 consecutive 10 win seasons (NCAA record) *10 years without a loss at home (91-01) *Major College football's all time wins leader, Bobby Bowden. (373 wins).

FSU has accomplished way more than you have in half the time. And Miami has accomplished even more. Florida State and Miami have sent more players to the NFL than any other programs in the country. So, When your sorry excuse for a progam is even mentioned in the same sentence as the word "DYNASTY" then you can talk.

[Mike]

The main stat is WE OWN YOU! 31-19-2! You are 11 years away from a tie. Did I mention the Sugar Bowl? 52-20. BELIEVE IT!

[War Eagle]

I believe USF was ranked higher than UF was at some point this year. Am I wrong? I am an Auburn fan and we got spanked at home against USF and I believe we beat you in the swamp. Am I wrong? Mike, you are awful and I feel bad that Gator Nation has to have a memeber such as yourself. You are the most idiotic Gator fan I've heard yet, and there has been a lot of them. Hey remember that time when your school put a crocodile on the cover of its football program? I do, that was hilarious.

[Tommy Frazier]

Remember that time I ran over 8 gaytors on my way to one of many td's in the National Champioship game. Go Huskers!

[Big AL]

Mike you embarrass me as a Gator fan.

[Mike]

Remember that time...? Whatever, where did we finish? Oh 12th with USF finishing 21st, Auburn 23rd, and F$U and scUM unranked. Its a shame that so many so-called Gator fans on this blog have little to no knowledge of their great institution and allow morons from weaker schools in weaker conferences to come on their board and bash them. Have some dignity Big Al, you are the embarrassment to the Gator Nation.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Weaker schools? You have had a program for 100 yrs and have two rings to show for it.

[Mike]

We might not have the history that some schools have but we have as many rings as F$U and 3 Heismans to go along with it. Not to mention we play in the toughest conference in the nation. And please don't come back with any rhetoric about the ACC. Miami is certainly the most dominating program in the past 25 years but they are on a freefall and it doesn't look like it will change anytime soon.

[Vernon Maxwell]

You do have as many rings as FSU but you've been around for twice as long. Yes the SEC is toughest conference in the country. However, FSU has always played a tough non conference schedule. With that said, when you take a look at the strength of schedule, FSU and UF's are comparable. Also, FSU hasnt always been in the ACC, when they were an independant, they had some of the toughest schedules in the country (playing at Nebraska, at Michigan) etc. Yes Florida plays in the SEC, but when you play the Western Carolinas or the Louisiana Monroe's of the world, that hurts your strength of schedule.
Also,
USF beat Auburn
Clemson beat S. Carolina
Wake beat Vandy
Michigan (who lost to App State) beat UF
WVU spanked MIss State
Cal Spanked Tenn.
The SEC, of course had big victories over other conferences as well, The GAP between the SEC is not as Big as all you make it out to be.

[Mike]

Really? Well lets look at Jeff Sagarin's rankings in the USAToday:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

Florida (3rd)
Florida State (22nd)
Miami (50th)

Strength of schedule is not determined by who you play in or out of conference. It is determined by the opponent plain and simple.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Point taken, however, I was not only referring to this year. Also, looks as if some of the PAc 10 teams had the most difficult schedule (i believe 3 in the top 10). Nice job on your first piece of factual evidence. Maybe you can find some evidence showing that the SEC had the most NCAA sanctions handed to them than any conference.

[Charlie Pell]

Charley Pell took over for Dickey, bringing the Gators back to respectability on the field with troubles off of it. Though he began his career with an 0-10-1 season in 1979, the Gators turned it around with an eight-win season the following year, in which the team set an NCAA record for win differential (this has since been surpassed). Pell went 33-15 after the winless opening season, but he was fired during his (and, at the time, the Gators’) best season in 1984 in light of major NCAA violations.

Prior to the 1990's, the 1984 team was considered clearly the finest Gator squad ever. The offense was especially potent, with an offensive line dubbed "The Great Wall of Florida" (Crawford Ker, Jeff Zimmerman, Phil Bromley, Billy Hinson, and Lomas Brown) that paved the way for John L. Williams and Neal Anderson to run the ball and for quarterback Kerwin Bell to step in as a freshman and lead the team to a 9-1-1 record.

from 1979-1991 Galen Hall coached the team from the middle of 1984 to 1989 with much success, including an SEC title in 1984 and 1985, though these were to be stripped due to NCAA violations committed by Pell. Hall went 40-18 at Florida. He had his own violation scandal, however, and was fired during the 1989 season. Gary Darnell finished the season for him

[Jimbo]

Now thats History!

[Mike]

Now we are going into which conference is better? I can't verify that info Vernon. What I do know is that the SEC has more national championships than the ACC with 24.

[Vernon]

These are the final Directors Cup Standings for Schools w/ the best Athletic Programs. Uf is higher than FSU or Miami. Yes the SEC is a better football conference. If you want to look at the overall picture, The ACC is a much better conference

1 California 370.00
2 Southern California 343.00
3 Stanford 315.00
4 Oregon 304.00
5 Penn State 303.00
6 Wake Forest 278.00
7 West Virginia 273.50
8 Connecticut 254.00
9 Texas 244.50
10 Florida 243.50
11 Michigan 237.00
12 Florida State 234.00
13 UCLA 231.00
14 Virginia 218.00
15 Michigan State 214.00
16 Brigham Young (Utah) 212.75
17 Wisconsin 212.00
18 Ohio State 208.00
19 Louisiana State U. 200.00
20 Duke (N.C.) 199.00
21 Notre Dame 188.00
22 North Carolina 184.00
23 Oklahoma State 180.00
24 Illinois 178.00
25 Colorado 172.00
26 Massachusetts 168.00
27 Washington 166.00
28 Arizona State 165.00
28 Georgia 165.00
30 Louisville 163.00
31 Indiana 157.00
32 Boston College 155.00
33 Clemson 152.00
33 Virginia Tech 152.00
35 Missouri 150.00
36 Maryland 149.00
36 Northern Arizona 149.00
38 Portland 146.00
39 Minnesota 145.00
39 Purdue 145.00
41 Alabama 142.00
42 Delaware 140.00
43 Tulsa 136.00
44 James Madison (Va.) 135.00
45 Hawaii 132.00
46 Tennessee 128.50
47
California Poly San Louis
Obispo 121.00
48 Oklahoma 120.50
49 Santa Clara (Calif.) 114.00
50 Boston University 110.00

[JT]

Mike - if you've never heard anything negative about Urban Meyer you've been living in a cave. Did you not read the Javan Snead story in the blog? The kid had committed, Meyer didn't want to lose him so he told the kid they were recruiting Tebow as a LB. This is in a book that was published about college football recruiting. Do some research -Coach Meyer never denied the story.

Your dedication is only admirable to a point. We have our warts too and one of them is that Coach Meyer "bends the rules" sometimes (that was his quote regarding text messaging). That NCAA rule on texting has now been changed in large part because of Coach Meyer. Maybe its not against the rules to mislead a recruit, but it is unseemly.

Let's all agree that Coach Meyer is a very good college football coach - but please, give up the notion that he is holier-than-thou. All Gators hope that the infractions being discussed with Moore are minor, but some are a little nervous that there might be more beneath the surface if the NCAA starts digging around.

[George]

Charley Pell was a great coach and person. He laid the foundation for UF's success by upgrading facilities and rallying the boosters to get behind the program with huge donations. I remember suffering through that 0-10-1 year in '79 (with the tie against Ga Tech), Cris Collinsworth was one of the few bright spots on that team.

[Leroy]

Mike, if I didn't know any better (and couldn't read/write the English language), I'd think you might be a little light in the loafers! (See Mike's comment above Gators will "wipe your a!%&s"). I personally would have said whip, but if you wanna wipe, I'm sure there's someone out there for ya!

[Mike]

JT, I never inclined to the fact that Urban is "holier-than-thou". He certainly broke the rules by calling Moore and his girlfriend but Jesus Christ you people make it out like he is a piece of crap! He might have reneged on Snead but we have a Heisman winner on our team for it. Players do the same thing and nobody wants to talk about that because then you couldn't bash the Gators. I welcome the jealousy and hate.

[Treet Waters]

Happy to see so many other institutions of higher learning have come on here to see the rediculousness that are allot of Gator fans (won't say all, because that would be generalizing). You mention that UM can't hang on to it's own recruits....funny that one of the guys the Gators stole is visiting Miami the weekend before signing day????? Yes, we lost a couple guys, but that is to be expected with any teams recruiting. However, why don't you chime back in next Wednesday, I'm sure we will more than make up for the couple guys that defected; one of which has already been flagged by the NCAA for cheating on the ACT; glad to see him go! By the way, why don't you take a lucky guess at which U has the most alumni representing them in this years super bowl????? Thats right....the only U. Um has 6, followed by a tie for second between USC/LSU....UF? Nowhere in sight!!!! I hope you all enjoyed your brief vacation at the top, because Randy and Jimbo will set things straight (no pun intended there Mike) and UM/FSU will again be battling for the ACC and shots at NC games!!!

[Mike]

I have never met a Cane fan that shows support for a Nole. Is the envy so bad that you are teaming up with an arch rival now? That is pretty sad.

[Mike]

Oh and your class won't come close to ours. Ramon Buchanon will be in Orange & Blue next year.

[Pete]

Mike,

You are correct. Everyone here is SO envious of your 9-4 Gaytors....Get a clue

Go Trojans!!!

[Mike]

Trojans, really? How about that Stanford game? Go Cardinal! The biggest upset in the history of NCAA! HA! HA! HA!

[Bobby]

Actually the biggest upset would be App. State over Michigan. Hey, didnt Michigan beat the Gaytors?

[Mike]

That would be incorrect Bobby. See there was no line on the Michigan / App St game. Also, App St are the national champions of their division. On the other hand, USCw were favored by 41.5 points and straigh up lost. That would make that the biggest upset ever. To put it into perspective how bad Stanford is, consider that they lost to Notre Dame!

[Mike]

I won't talk bad about Michigan seeing how they have beat us thoroughly in two bowl games.

[Bobby]

Exactly! A different Division and a lower division at that. App State also lost to Wofford.

[Deion]

Mike, is there a reason why everyone thinks you're an idiot? You're Gaytor

[g8orb8]

Let's not argue about recruiting....no point; it appears each of the big 3 are well on their way to signing top 10 classes. When you talk about the difference between the top class and the next handful, there is no telling which one will actually pan out.

I'm all about the orange and blue, but I heard a rumor Ramon Buchanon is staying in Miami till Wednesday, if that rumor is true, it seems he will be switching back to UM...time will tell!

I'm also not going to argue with any U fans till after the first weekend of September 08; those clowns always find a way to beat us!! I still haven't got over that comeback win orchestrated by Brock Berlin.....let's hope that red-shirt freshmen Marve isn't as good as most say he is!!!!!

[Prime Time]

Well put G8orb8. You're by far the smartest Gator who's posted. Hopefully you dont know Mike personally b/c I'd feel bad for you.

[Mike]

Well g8orb8 the deal is these clowns know very little about what they are spewing. It is pretty funny though to see them floundering for reasons that the Gators are dominating in every facet of the game whether it be recruiting or on the gridiron. I am gonna hook you guys up like a tutor at FSU! http://blogs.tampabay.com/seminoles/

[Galen Hall]

Still an idiot Mike. Geaux Tigers!

[Mike]

I tried to hook up you canes fans but apparently the staff at St Pete Times doesn't think it will get any more looks than the stuck in the 80's blog. I guess they are right though since you can't put more than 20,000 people in the seats to support the mighty Hurricanes!

[Terry Bollela]

Mike,
Are you employed? I just wanted to read a darn article and couldn't ignore the ridiculous amount of posts on this one! ...more than half by a character named Mike. Wow.

[Mike]

after a little research it seems that the author of the book "Meat Market" which told the Jevon Snead story has his facts mixed up. Snead knew exactly what position he was in when being recruited by Florida. He was at UF's camp with Tim Tebow. Apparently he saw what he was up against and decided to bail just like Josh Portis did.

[Vernon Maxwell]

And your proof?

[Mike]

See Mark Wheeler, Admin on GatorBait.com. See, Mark actually talked to the recruit, his father, and his coach on a regular basis throughout the entire recruiting process. Before anyone wants to say its bias, Mark's article does say that recruiting is very shady and he was not implying that Urban Meyer is squeaky clean but the authors account of the facts are incorrect. I can't access the article while at work but I will post the link to it this afternoon.

[Vernon Maxwell]

Shady? Thats interesting

[Mike]

My words, not his. i am not denying that things are said but these coaches are dealing with 17-18 year old kids who have never had to make a more important decision in their life. Take for instance Ricky Barnum. he just took an official to Michigan after giving Florida a verbal commitment. Meyer and Co. cut off talking to any other offensive line recruits (like Zebrie Saunders) and we could very well lose out. Anyways, the story about snead is about half way down the article. Here is the link:
http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=719248

[Bob]

Your credibility continues to grow Mike.

Let's see, a second book on College Football by an author who's credibility allowed him to have almost unprecedented access to a program (Ole Miss) or a second-hand verbal account from a Gator message board moderator? (And one who ADMITS that recruiting is "shady" and that Urban Meyer is not "squeaky clean").

Yeah - no reason to believe the rest of Bruce Feldman's book, since a mod on a message board straightened things out.

[Thomas]

Mike, someone just posted something on Gator(master)Bait.com saying that you do not in fact have a job/life and that you are making a fool of yourself by succumbing to repeated jabs at "your" team by numerous others. Congrats! Must be gospel!

[nm]

How do you figure it is second hand if he is talking to him DIRECTLY on a regular basis? I personally lean towards the guy who is more experienced in recruiting. Obviously you didn't read the article. i would guess that most of you do not follow any sort of recruiting and have just found this article as a reason to take jabs at Florida. Its expected from envious fans of inferior in-state programs such as fsu and miami. I'm not going to post on this topic any longer. I will wait until we play each other and we will discuss the outcome. Until then, I will watch UF pull in another top three recruiting class this year! GO GATORS!

[Vernon Maxwell]

Gaytors!

[Jimbo]

Congrats Meyer Weiner you've been acquitted