Boyle waives no trade for San Jose

Lightning defenseman Dan Boyle has waived his no trade clause and agreed to a move to the Sharks. A conference call with the teams and the league is the last step to getting a deal done.

"Yes," Boyle's agent George Bazos said. "That's the way we're going. We went through the whole process and picked a place he's very happy to be. If the Lightning can go ahead and consummate a trade, then Dan is very happy with that."

The Sharks were desperate for a puck-moving defenseman after losing Brian Campbell to free agency, and yesterday signed Rob Blake to a one-year, $5-million deal. It was unclear if the Sharks and Lightning have a deal in place, but it is speculated any trade could include Matthew Carle, 23, who stumbled last season but had 11 goals and 46 points in 2006-07.

Canada's TSN confirmed Carle is indeed part of the deal that also includes Lightning defenseman Brad Lukowich. Tampa Bay also should get a first- and a fourth-round draft pick.

[Dirk Shadd, Times files]

Comments

[tony]

If the Sharks dont win the cup with the team they have now anytime soon theres definitely something wrong. They have too much talent on that team. THORNTON, CHEECHOO, MARLEAU, ROENICK, PAVELSKI, MICHALEK, EHRHOFF, VLASIC, MCLAREN, NABOKOV & now bringing in BLAKE & BOYLE. Either the Sharks or Detroit should be the favorites in the west this year.

[Dennis Paulik]

Dan Boyle has earned everything he has ever gotten. The Lightning really blew this by making him feel like he was not wanted.

Now he can help San Jose finally win the cup and his name will be on it twice before Tampa sees the finals again.

[Don in St. Pete]

Ajax and Leo, I'm so glad to see my friends weigh in on this deal and what it means to the Lightning. And the funniest thing is, I don't think this group is done dealing yet. I don't expect and more major deals, but a few minor ones that will enable us to pick up a top 2 guy like Carney. GO BOLTS!

[Ted]

Hey this Is Ted's sister again, this Is for Coach Z... what you just said made me fall asleep. I dont care what you have to say.. Dan Boyle Is amazing and he will always be my favorite player. You just watch, Sharks and Lightning will make it to the finals (; well come to think of it, lightning may not even make it to the playoffs hahah. happy 4th of july!

[ajax]

gone for four hours and 100 posts. the fact that so many people like the trade is a good sign, right?? I am so intrigued by Wishart.
It is shocking but I feel much better than when I first read it and Wishart wasn't part of the deal.
I feel some of the blogs that say Carle is the same as Boyle only younger and cheaper. Please, please.
Boyle is an awesome player.
That said time will tell, but I always was a huge, I mean Huge fan of the theory: sell stars and get lots in return.
I find it hard to believe anyone doesn't think this is a much better and stronger team since we traded Brad and Danny. The injury to Helpern is bad bad luck but no one new that.
We have good players in return, and multiple NHL players. WE have extra cash that has been used. We have a 10x better goalie, and we have draft picks, as in numero #1, next year.
I feel much better than 4 hours ago, of course I hope Carle is the player they say he is.
But gang, we have much better NHL quality then last year. It is a no brainer. We have much better size. Much better speed. Much better scoring. And much better goalie.
I miss Danny but the key is improving the team and for me I see alot of that the past few weeks. I am sure the rollercoaster will continue but so far so good.. Go Bolts Go.

[Lancer Law]

Ok, it's official. Boyly and Lukowich for Matt Carle (this guy is a 23 yo version of Boyle and his little brother was the honourable pick the TBL used in the last round) and Wishart (1st round pick 2006, 6-4, 205 lbs.), a 1st round pick, and a 4th round pick.

I love Danny Boyle as much as the next hockey fan, but the Lightning just robbed San Jose seriously with this trade and immediately improved their hockey team while lowering their payroll. Why SJ would trade away a 23 and 20 year old (projected) star defense men for a 32 year old that had a -29 +/- in limited action... is beyond me.

[Max Hunter]

Okay, I'll admit it. I have a man-crush on Danny-boy. He's a great player, a loyal player, and I'd love to see him come back someday and retire next to Andreychuck (sic) . However this is a good move, and Dan himself said he wasn't against the idea of moving and would understand the business end of it- AND there'd be no hard feelings over it.

When I heard about Melrose over Torts, I about lost it, and believed this was going to be the end of hockey as I know it- then I started to buy into what they're doing, with a smile. I hate to see Dan go (and I'd bet anything Boyle comes back eventually) but I think this was the right move.

[LightningRod]

I don't really want to get in the middle of this, but I do want to point out few factual things, along with a little personal speculation.

On day 1 of FA, the first trade rumor was the team was shopping Smith not Boyle. Somehow, that fell through; and the reason may have been that OK didn't have Smith actually signed to the indicated contract extension. When it publicly broke that they were shopping him, I think Smith's extension signing then went sideways. It does take much to understand that then Smith and his agent saw this contract extension in a much different light, after it broke on TSN. Another probable reason is that OK didn't the responses they wanted for Smith. Maybe it's both. I followed every FA move on 7/01, and had more browser tabs open than I have ever had; and they were trying to trade Smith first. At that point on 7/01, OK had to start thinking about trading someone, after all the deals that they had completed earlier.

However, there is no question that OK was forced to go in a different direction, for some reason; and that is when the Smith rumor stopped and the Boyle rumor started. Do I think that this is proof that OK wasn't planning on Trading Boyle, NO. However, it sure looks to me that OK probably didn't want to trade Boyle; and circumstances and what they believe to be the best interests of the team forced their hand.

Again, OK had to start trading players for draft picks and cap room. I think we can all agree on that. The question came down to who or whom. In the end, it was Boyle. I wish they could have kept him; but even Danny would tell you that's pro sports.

[Geografer]

The official announcement is on the Sharks website but there isn't anything on the Tampa site. San Jose's article even has quotes from the GM and Tampa's has notta. At least they haven't had a chance to take him off the header yet.

[sandy]

I am a very disappointed lightning fan and season ticket holder. There are other players that do not give 110% making 6 million a year and with Dan Boyle you knew he was going to give you 110 %. He even played with injuries that most of us could not do our jobs (let alone play hockey and getting hit). Dan is a GREAT guy and a GREAT hockey player. Dan ALL THE BEST TO YOU and your family and hope to see you in the off season. Dan Fan Forever. I am still in shock over this terrible trade.Dan had 1 bad year and everyone remembers that he was very successful prior to the freak accident Remember??
Dan Fan

[Bobby]

Wow, with Rivet now headed to Buffalo maybe Jason Smith is still available!

[bingo]

Follow up on the story it is showing that he is not signed they only have the rights to the player another seasoned 'D' player should fit right in at norfolk if they can get him signed.

[bingo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Wishart

information on WIshart and his trade to tampa.

[Geografer]

And the fall out in San Jose is starting as well. They have traded Rivet (a veteran d-man) and a 7th round pick in 2010 to Buffalo for a 2nd round picks in 2009 and 2010.
Was wondering how they were going to swing $6.67 for Danny and $5 for Blake.

Hay! Leo! Your a allright guy! Good luck to your canadians!

[jlo]

Turtle:

Oh - "junk in the trunk" is slang often attributed to Jenifer Lopez describing her generous derriere. Mine is pretty skinny actually. I'm very relieved to hear you're not interested in it :>

Just one of the downsides to sharing initials with the rich and famous.

[Lisa]

Boltflasher: that was not me posting that. Maybe there is another Lisa that posted, or maybe someone is for some reason using my name on this thread. I am sorry to see Danny go, and wish him all the best. I admit to being disappointed, but I am still doing my half season tickets this season, and if things go well, I think next season I will be looking to buy better seats and move closer.

[Berliner]

Oh, and for Pete's sake, Feaster is up north right now scouting a location to open a practice.
He's gone (thank goodness) - this deal is all OK and the new GM Lawton. And enough with the personal attacks on Feaster please. This is a hockey board, not WebMD.

[tundo]

Am I mistaken, or did we draft his younger brother this year?

[Nan]

Good Luck Danny in SJ! We will miss you here in TB. Sad side of the business having to leave a team that you want to stay with and more importantly have won a Cup with! Unfortunately, that is the business side of hockey and it is what it is.

I am hoping that the defense will be seeing some more moves coming! OK if nothing else has everybody talking!

[jlo]

Turtle:

I doubt they saw a huge spike in ticket sales in the week between the start of UFA season and this trade. But perhaps it was a calculated move - I can't say yea or nay for sure.

I appreciate your reasoned arguments - especailly after the prior post - I'm still working out that metaphor :>

I do see your point on the communication with Dan. But that is 40 MILLION DOLLAR (Yeah I checked my math :>) Dan - and he is part of a high dollar business. He'll heal.

I still don't see how this implies the team is moving.

[tundo]

Wow, what a trade for management to pull off today, I am very estatic. The trade makes no sense for San Jose in my opinion. Carle and Boyle are the same player, only Carle is cheaper and 9 years younger. But I am not going to complain by any means. I am not too concerned with his play last year, victim of the system San Jose runs. Remember when we brought Boyle into this system he was in the same boat. In our system (if it remains the same offensive system it was in the past which is should under Melrose) he will put up the offensive numbers he is capable of. And he is already better than Boyle in the defensive zone. This will be a great acquisition for the Bolts. Nice job!

[Nathan]

Bad, bad move. Carle? AYFKM? This will prove to be a huge blunder; count on it. Best of luck Danny - Cali is WAY better than FL anyway.

[Berliner]

It's 4th of July, Im very surprised the amount of angst going on right now. Have a beer or a glass of wine (although by listening to some of your arguments, you're probably not old enough to drink. or smoke. or drive).

I am usually one for playing Devils Advocate and seeing all the different sides to things, and this is no exception. Danny was a good guy OFF the ice and he worked hard on it. I dont think he was all that great, nor do I think he was worth the money, but that has nothing to do with his character, which I believe is superb. He was great during the 04 run and I think in the right system with a good stay-at-home defenseman behind him, he will be very productive.

Having said that, he is going to make over $35 million in the next few years. I think he can handle making some new friends and he can find a decent place to live. He will be okay.

How many more times are the same posters going to tell me that they are giving up their seats? I get it, you're not happy with the trade. Funny thing, the NHL wouldnt allow us to put a team on the ice with our budget. I just dont know how someone's character gets brought into this shiz all the time. Oren signed off on the deal to keep Danny here. Ok, Ill give you that. He was behind the push to oust Richards also. Ok, Im with you there too. But its not like Oren came out and said THESE are the guys we are definitely keeping on the team. He was asked about Boyle and he said that he had no intentions of moving him. I dont care if that is a lie or not. Im not even expecting a true answer when that question is asked. Answering yes, even if it was true, would have been terrible for the team and for Boyle. Please be realistic about his options for answering this.

As far as the trade goes, I like it. A few people agree, a few people dont. Just remember, the trade deadline wasnt today, it's just a Friday. We probably arent done with our lineup yet, there is still room to improve the Defense by trade. If there is no trade, then damnit, a COACH will actually have to COACH and make the stellar talent that we have in our young guys come through. We have the talent here, no matter what some of these guys did under Torts' style. It just needs to work as part of a system with the offense.

I know we are going to make the playoffs this year and I really believe we are going to be VERY entertaining, which is why I spend my hard earned money on this team.

If you disagree, great. That is what these blogs are for, but dont tell me you're going to root for the Sharks over the Lightning. That's about as lame as buying a Stars jersey with B-rad on it and wearing it to the Forum. And I will certainly not worry one bit about your opinion in that case, as I dont consider you a fan in the first place.

Happy 4th of July!

[Bobby]

Jason Smith is supposedly close to signing with Buffalo, but you're right Raymond, he'd be a nice vet to bring in once all of this becomes official.

[Voice of the Turtle]

to jlo:

Sir:

I apologize for the gender misunderstanding, but please be advised that I have absolutely no interest in your wife's perception of your "trunk junk" (whatever the heck that is).

With regard to the so-called devaluation of Danny Boyle by announcing his availability, I say this:

1) There was no need to privately inform Boyle and his agent that he was going to be a part of this club when in fact he was not. If anything, noncommunication with them was more appropriate. And this is particularly relevant considering that Dan and his new wife were in the process of making plans and living arrangements in Tampa.

2) This ownership group had pretty much announced their intentions regarding selection of coaches, specific players they were targeting from UFA, and other moves (like their posture with regard to trades and signings). Why would this matter be different, and wouldn't the idea of Boyle's availability stir up some juicy competitive offers from around the league if it were known in advance?

So how does this gibe with their dealings with Boyle and how does it reflect some kind of strategical advantage in moving him?

Most likely, they held their plans back because they wanted to spur ticket sales with the new signings, and feared that the announcement about dropping Boyle would damage their marketing efforts.

If you have information (or even a viable theory) that proffers a different explanation for all of this, I'd be delighted to know about it.

[Raymond]

First, please discount anyone who states that Feaster had anything to do with this trade. Feaster's only job is to go down to the local Starbucks and pick up coffees for the new owners.

Second, please discount anyone who state that the owner's lied. They have never indicated that Boyle was in the future plans for this team. They tried to dump him last year. Feaster signed him to an overpriced contract and now that Feaster is no longer making the decisions, OK is correcting this mistake. No owner is ever going to tell you that they are looking to move someone. They are always going to deny it. If you really believe that this ownership should have announced last week that Boyle was on the block you need to return to the real world.

Finally, objectively, this deal was a steal for the Lightning. In return for Boyle and Luk they received a younger version of Boyle a future top 2 defenseman and a first and fourth round picks. It also freed up cap space to go after a Jason Smith who would be a much better mentor for our young, talented defensemen.

Four years from now, you will all have forgotten Boyle when these guys mature.

[Boltflasher]

Bye, Lisa, you're going to miss an exciting season with Stamkos and Vinny and a run at the division title....

[Bobby]

Erik Erlendsson at The Trib is reporting the deal does indeed include Matt Carle and Ty Wishart while the first-round pick is in the 2009 draft and the fourth-round pick is in the 2010 draft.

[léo]

Bingo,
Carle definitely the top.
And don't get me wrong,
This is a FANTASTIC trade for TB.
But it would've been better to do this trade at the trade-deadline in Feb. Same deal. But at the Feb deadline. To give Carle a running start with the team.
Right now,
Who's the General? Who's the Boss D-Man? Who's the "go-to guy"?
Still though,
How much defense does SJ need, jeez?! Blake,Boyle,Vlasic,Rivet,dang!
Awww, who am I kiddin'?
I mean Carle, a prospect, a 1st rounder and a what? a 4th too?
You can't say no to that. Fabulous robbery!
Boyle said he would waive for a deal that made sense for TB.
Even HE couldn't say no to that.
Dang!
How did you floridians pull that off???
...c'n you give Us tips?...
Yo.

[Voice of the Turtle]

There was a fairly obvious formula for the "Saw" movies. It involved some distatsefully banal themes, special effects, and lots of promotional hype, but no pricy acting talent.

These are some connected notions that Vinny, Marty, and their agents should be considering as today's business enfolds.

[Don in St. Pete]

Danny, I wish you and your family well. You will be missed as a great player and man in Tampa Bay. You're trade makes San Jose one of the favorites in the west and I look forward to seeing you in the Stanley Cup finals against the Tampa Bay Lightning. To all the doubters, and supposed fans, I hope some of you has nice closeup tickets because I am looking to upgrade and am optimistic with the direction this team is going. Thanks and good riddance to the supposed fans who won't support their team. We don't need you anyway. there will plenty of other fans willing to pick up your tickets when they see the fast, exciting new Lightning team hit the ice.

[jlo]

Sorry:

a) I'm not JLo and have a wife, not a husband (although she thinks I have a *LOT* of junk in the trunk!);

b) You set up a straw man and argued against yourself, pretty much ignoring my post.

I get it the "credibility" argument if, by that, you mean:

a) Ownership/coach indicated last week they thought Boyle was part of the future; and

b) This week decided a trade was a better situation for the club.

I ask you - should they have devalued him last week by letting the league know he wasn't part of their plans?

Also, how does it follow logically that they will move the team?

These guys are professional athletes - I feel bad he was traded (and will always value the personalized autographed picture with Dan and the Cup– thanks Dan) but - sheesh - he IS getting paid 6.6 million over 6 years thanks to the Lightning. That’s 36 million if you are keeping score at home. He can keep the beach house on the bay.

[Wow]

VOTT...wow you are a blow hard with your holier than thou false sense of intelligence. Laughable at best how you try to come across as "educated" but end up sounding like a condescending no nothing. However I do like your VOTT reference if it's in tribute to the Dark Tower...if it's not then it should be. But back on point, do you really expect ownership to say "yes we plan on trading Boyle" when they are asked the questions? hey did not go to the media saying this, they were asked about it and replied how they did. In that position of course they will deny so that they can remain in a position of power trying to trade him and not clue in the league that he's available and thus lowering potential value we'd receive in return. Teams do it all the time. It does not mean that everything out of their mouth is a lie and nor does it mean it's not. Simply it appears they lied to make the trade a bit more to our advantage as opposed to 29 other teams knowing we wanted to move him and were then able to set a lower price.

[lightningbob]

This is a brilliant move by the Lightning, sure hope it comes true. I was wishing this happened last year at the trade deadline. While Dan is a good guy and fluid puck mover, opposing players skate around him all the time, he gives up the puck far too much for my liking. This year I won’t have to watch Marty or Vinny, have to cover Boyle’s spot on the ice because he is down behind the net. Marty spent a lot of time covering Boyle’s position when they were both on the ice. I’d much rather have Marty down low than Boyle. I have never understood the love affair with Dan Boyle, great guy in the locker and off the ice but many holes in his on ice game. Don't understand why they give him that type of money.

[Lisa]

I certainly do not like where this team is headed. I am happy to not have renewed my season tickets. Thanks Dan for all you have done for Tampa Bay. We will miss you!! Best of Luck!!

[Voice of the Turtle]

jlo (Jennifer Lopez, perhaps)

Hypothetically speaking, suppose your husband, while ackowledging the value of being thrifty, asked for a copy of your credit card for emergency purposes, then spent up the card's absolute limit on new clothes for himself. Later on, when offering to show your visiting business associate around town, you find that he only showed her the Silver Squirrel Motel. Would you then be surprised if he promised, when borrowing your car, not to leave town but drove to Las Vegas?

You see, jlo, it boils (or Boyles) down to a question of credibility where the new owners are concerned.

For me at least,it is not a matter of are they going to move the team, that i dont believe. It is more the misleading statements attributed to the handling of Dan Boyle. Can we believe what they say anymore?.Have they lost credibility? We need to look to the future for the answers.

[Woodster]

WOW... Seem to be cutting all ties with the Cup team. First Richards and now both Boyle & Luke. I wonder how well Marty can sleep these days. Vinnie can't possibly believe everything he's being promised and why hasn't his contract been done? Three down & 2 to go. Defense takes the longest to learn at this level, that means the experience is with Kuba.......

I wonder how long Andy will be around and funny, haven't heard from Feaster since the draft. Maybe he's back in PA looking for a house.

A LA buddy is hired as the coach and ownership says the team is never moving, can we really believe that?

[Bobby]

Amen, jlo!

[jlo]

OK - I'll bite. There are several posts here equating the trade of Dan Boyle to absolute truth this team is moving.

Do you really believe this? Or are you just pi$$ed to lose Danny? Because I don't see any reasoning that gets me from point A - we moved an older, expensive defenseman to build for the future - to point B - we are doomed to lose our team.

Does everyone forget that Lightning ownership also owns the building? Doesn’t mean someone couldn’t lure them away, but really, there are other NHL teams in a much weaker position.

Truthfully, I was a bit depressed that we would be seeing more of the same with this franchise next year. At least now there will be something different happening. We have nowhere to go but up.

[Voice of the Turtle]

Okay David:

You are now opt to describe those who disagree with your exalted agruments by using the latest droll metaphorical phrase, "People are reacting like their puppy just got run over purposely by OK and Melrose in their limo."

Clearly, there is no hope for you. But please allow me to forewarn you that one who handles dissent in such a manner as yours should never get married (at least to a woman of spirit or one who is capable of any level of critical thinking). All the same, I admire your colorful analogies as the product of a creative, yet somewhat troubled, mind.

[TS-SS]

This team is as good as gone... I hear Las Vegas, Kansas City, and Winnipeg licking their chops because one of them is getting an NHL team in the next few years.

[bi ngo]

Bobby, Wishart is not mentioned as part of the deal.

TSN Statement "In return for the 31-year old veteran defenseman, it is believed Tampa will receive a package that will include 23-year old defenseman Matt Carle, a first round draft pick, a prospect and a 4th round pick."

SPORTSNET.CA "A source says the transaction isn't quite done but that the two teams are close to a deal that would send Boyle and another player to the Sharks for a package that would likely include young blue-liner Matt Carle and fist-round and fourth-round draft picks."

HOCKEYBUZZ.COM "Dan Boyle and Brad Lukowich to San Jose for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, a 1st and a 4th" THIS is the only place i see the mention of Wishart.

Go figure I'm sure will get the truth soon.

[Jake]

Our defense was so solid last year without Boyle; I don't blame them for this trade. Boyle is good but our defense will be much better without him and the front office knows that defense wasn't a major problem last year...Next they are going to deal Mike Smith, so we will be set.

*sarcasm off*

[Bobby]

Throw us a bone, DC. Is Wishart in or out? This is what will make the deal or not for me.

[David]

VOTT

It is not a straw man argument to describe the reaction as histrionics.. People are reacting like their puppy just got run over purposely by OK and Melrose in their limo.

I stand by my evaluation. When people are dumping their season tickets and using this trade to say we are going to move, the owners can't be trusted, I'd say that's histrionics.

Thanks for your thanks of my well reasoned criticism.

shane, shut your trap and buy a sharks, kings or ducks jersey.

[bear]

Bingo Bingo..Schneider on steroids ..perfect.

[bear]

The PP and shootouts have carried this team to what limited success they have enjoyed.
Who replace Boyles PP points and Ritchies points?? Just askin.