Keystone fights back and other news

Keystone Consulting Services (Shaun Keck) is fighting Soneet Kapila's suit claiming it received $635,470 in  fraudulently transfers from Lou Pearlman and his companies during the two year's before the bankruptcy filing. Here is Keystone's motion to dismiss the suit.

*Another group of creditors, those represented by lawyer Donald Gaffney, has filed a claim, asking for fees and expenses, in this case $125,449. The banks previously asked for their legal fees and expenses to be paid.

*Tyler Gray, who has a book on the Lou Pearlman scam coming out in November, has a new gig. He moved from Radar magazine to Blender magazine, which focuses on music and celebrities. Here's a blog item with Tyler's photo.

*And here's some Village Voice commentary on Lou. 

Comments

June 09, 2008 at 08:32 PM

To put a law and tax on the books and make it retroactive as well? If you didn't it wouldn't help your group anyway, unless your talking about a fund to enforce the laws and pay for victims who are covered after the law goes into effect.
Maybe your fine with paying it but most people would not be and it's not up to taxpayers to pay for this or have it forced on them as a way to pay this crimes victims off. So far only one person is in jail, lets see if the State gets the rest of the case right. Why not try and have a benefit concert or something as a fund raiser?

to Posted by: | June 10, 2008 at 06:35 PM

Did Lou play your flute more than once? I've read he was into that kind of thing. Since you have something that both you and Big Poppa enjoy together already, you'll have something to look forward to when you get reunited (real soon I hope) so pucker up and get ready.

[Stuttering John]

How do you invest in ISG??

7:46 "blow the whisle" how about you blow yourself.

7:46 you are a gov't employee or just a 1st. class a-hole. You completely twisted the point around. I COMPLAINED TO THE PEOPLE INCHARGE AND THEY DID NOTHING!!!!!!

We can't have that can we.

You know what this is all about precedence.

1:05 you should be ashamed of youself to compare this to Enron. People weren't complaining about Enron 5 and 6 years prior, like I did and others to the state.

I should be ashamed? what about you, knowing 5 years in advance about Lou and not digging into your pocket to get a lawyer to blow the whistle? I wasn't in position to stop it, you just said you were.
If people knew about this for 5-6 years why didn't the brokers find out these problems when they did their really good due diligence?

One more thing, when you talk about taxpayers that is us.

Posted by: | June 09, 2008 at 02:49 PM

Well at least you can talk to your accountant about deducting your loss than.
I'm not trying to be mean but rather realistic, are you going to make your Pearlman's victim tax retroactive? I don't think you've thought about how many other groups would also want to be made right when something unfortunate happens to them...where would it stop? with just this group?

| June 09, 2008 at 08:32 PM

its not up to the people of the State pay for your bad luck, Start a fund yourself if you think everyone will chip in, it couldn't hurt. I just don't think it should be one more thing added to my property taxes or sales tax, other than about 1800 people, I'd bet most folks don't want another tax either, we are already paying for Pearlmans 25 yrs. and we haven't even got to his cronies yet. It isn't up to the taxpayers. If you have a beef with AG sue him personally if you can.

2:12 you make an excellent point just add that the meterologist was flying around the country and hanging out in sky boxes with the very person that was holding back the storm report. This is a gross conflict of interest.

1:05 you're a jerk and your position holds no logic. Taxpayers would have to pay .1 tops. The state would bust more people and less of these scams will occur. I'm a taxpayer and I would gladly fork out 25 cents if it would help my fellow man not fall into the same trap I did. We have a fund set up at the state level to help victums but no one is addressing it.

1:05 you should be ashamed of youself to compare this to Enron. People weren't complaining about Enron 5 and 6 years prior, like I did and others to the state. If we could find an atty. who would take this on a contingency basis or if we could get 1/2 the investors approx. 1000 ppl. to put up $100.00 per person that's $100,000.00. I think we could find an atty. for that.

Invest your money with Internet Solutions Corporation. They sue anyone who says they might be a scam so you know they have to be a reputable firm.

And I hear you won't have to pay taxes on any earnings. Bonus.

One more thing, when you talk about taxpayers that is us.

I have heard a society is judged by how we treat our weakest, children and the elderly. How are we doing?

If 1500 people lost everything they owned, you would have the Red Cross and the National Guard to at least bring water. What if the Government had warning like a meterologist but did not go on the air with it? How do you feel because I feel betrayed. Please do not be condenscending to us by, your not the only people who lost money. We get it all loud and clear.

Will you stop with the state taking no responsibilty.

Here is an idea if there are not enough investigators to go around. Scan all complaints by Companies, put them online. We can make up our own minds, make this information available. Some may be false complaints but disclaimer all. There was to much information that we did not know that did not get to us.

It's just not up to the State to make you right after this, life isn't always fair but why should the taxpayers pick up the tab? If they do it for this group than the next group says why not us too. The people who invested in Enron weren't bailed out, or really any scams that ripped off Florida investors for that matter. At least one of the main people involved got 25 years (the state will pay for) so you can take some comfort in that, as for the rest of those involved we'll see what happens.

Sounds great, how do you start with no money?

You are absolutely wrong , if enough people would ban together and all start questioning the state we would get somewhere . This constant infighting and criticism of other peoples opinions are exactly why this blog will be shut down in the near future. There are 100's of unanswered questions that a good atty. could show negligence on behalf of the state. Here are some: why weren't complaints about LP in 1999 followed up on and made public? Why was Crist friends with such a questionable character? How come no one checked for aviation reg. on planes of an airline that was non-existent? what about tangible and intangible taxes filed annually with the state? Unemployment records? ( wheres the pilots?) Corporate state tax returns(sales tax) How about occupational licenses, fire inspections, EPA and state regulators monitoring the impact that TCA had on the local area. If you say they leased planes then you still have to maintain them with parts, mechanics, hangers, and fuel etc. Where's the lease contracts and the taxes paid and filed on them? Where's the state fuel tax forms that are filed quarterly? I could go on forever.... Let's face it the state in not protected by sovereign immunity when it is in bed with a crook, doesn't do IT'S job and doesn't respond to its peoples complaints. Now stop being so neg. and put your "thinking caps on."

Opps.. Goverment.

Nor the Federal Government.

The State cares but it's not their job to reimburse victims of crimes, that's what civil court is for. I hope you catch a break and things workout for you but you've got to be realistic about where any money is going to come from and it won't be the people of Florida.

I can't afford that, I don't understand he is treated better than we are.

Wow, thats much better than anything we have.

[Florentine]

Lou is at the County Jail awaiting the Federal Bureau of Prisons to assign him and ship him off. He probably requested Coleman but I dont think he is there yet.

Yes, he does get free medical and dental or shall I say you are paying for it.

Does the state care?

The State is not going to make a special fund for victims of Lou, lots of people get taken on bad deals. If you bought from a broker I'd look to sue their E&O insurance

Does he get medical and dental?

How much does it cost tax payers to house LP per year at Coleman?

Anyone?

[Kim]

I don't have a blog! What are you talking about?

Follow the trail.

Ok

tell us

what did kim not say?

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Re; June4 9:08 Not one person is smart enough to pick up on what Kim did not say.

Re; June4 9:08 Not one person is smart enough to pick up on what Kim did not say.

Some notorious lawsuits out there are smoke screens. Don't get sucked in.

Speak for yourself jeffy

[jeff]

10:18

are you kidding asking for the state to bail you out. you got into this by yourself and the state is not going to bail you out. you have lost your money just as we all have, so go to the wailing wall and cry as much as you want. We are not getting anything back.

I just came home to read this petty and annoying crap going back and forth about who got paid what. I know someone wrote this before but until LP's bank records are matched to people all of you are just wasting energy. Please let's focus our thoughts to problem solving ; example who in the state can we talk to about this so-called victums recovery fund. A 1cent sales tax can bail us out in just a few months. NO ONE WILL MISS A PENNY. The state failed to protect us now they need to restore our losses.

I read it and can't find this information. Could you tell us what percent each company was paid?

Avoiding the question, tanker what % did each company make? You claim to be an expert, what is the answer. I would love to know.

What are the companies and what % did each make tanker? I knew you would know.

June 05, 2008 at 02:36 PM

it's in quotation marks below the attached link. just read it.

Where's your hard EVIDENCE THAT EVERYONE WAS PAID A 10% COMM. SHOW US THE PROOF! I know someone LP paid a 2%,what LP called a finders fee.

Posted by: | June 03, 2008 at 09:07 PM

If you read the previous post and go to ripoffrepot.com you can read yourself.
I'm sure there were people who refferd
people who did get paid less, maybe the rep. for Lou only paid him 2% and they take the rest, I bet they could lure more people in making the rates and commissions lower to other people as it would sound more believable saying commission is 2% and rate is 5%, and certainly they wouldn't mind taking the difference for themselves, kill 2 birds w/one stone.

Which company made 10%?

Well where is your proof tanker. I just don't see the 10% maybe you could tell us where it is on the page. Better yet print it for all to see.

to, Posted by: | June 03, 2008 at 09:07 PM

from
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/241/RipOff0241708.htm

"Promoted by a select group of salespeople who portrayed themselves as financial advisers, the EISA program guaranteed rates which bested bank offerings by providing from 6 to 10% depending on how much you deposited and how long you locked it in for. These agents of Pearlman, many of whom have histories of selling questionable high-yield securities, were paid up-front commissions of about ten percent."

Truth is all I seek.

My guess is that this ridiculous poster is not even an agent, but perpetuated these self-debates and arguments about the agents as another one of his distractions.M.O. is the same as another constant,but "helpful" and annoying poster.One and the same.All nonsense.

[High Pitch Mike]

I agree with Eric the Actor

Over the last year several of the people who have been alleged co conspirators have blogged on here under their own name so id say its one of three people.

[Kim]

Yes Helen, please delete those annoying posts. It's just another way for you know who to try and control this blog and try to run people off with all the babble. Don't let the garbage discourage you, the majority of us know you have done your job remarkably with due diligence. Keep up the good work. By the way, it was nice seeing you in Orlando. You are probably the only reporter who didn't twist the truth.

Innocent not worried, but you should be if this can happen to me it can happen to anyone, just wait for the truth.

[jeff]

Helen. Please delete his posts, that way there will only be about 1/4 of the posts left

[Eric the Actor]

I told everyone it was bulls*it.

The guilty are afraid. This blog is driving them crazy and they are trying to ruin it. All we have to do is wait a month and they will not have access to a computer.

Tick Tock.

If I only had about a month of freedom I don't know if I would spend the time writing "I was sued I was almost sued" then hoping for grammer errors.

Spend some time with your family because you will soon miss them.

Tic Tock

sorry, I was sued once.

I understand the Trustee gets 10% of what he recovers plus costs, is this true?

It is not a he it is a she, you don't know anything do you? Those who can't compete always delete. You can not have a conversation so this is how you handle it, no surprise here.

[Helen Huntley]

OK. Enough is enough. The same person is posting over and over again, first claiming he's been sued and had judgments against him ruining his credit, then posting repeatedly that he has never been sued, contradicting himself. I don't know if he wants sympathy or he just gets his jollies from calling me a bottom feeder. He has never contacted me directly to say what it is he thinks was wrong with any story I ever wrote in the St. Petersburg Times. If he persists in monopolizing the blog conversation this way, I will once again be forced to delete his posts.

My question is why are you not intrested in the truth? I do not want a response from bottom feeder.

I have never been sued.

3:25 I bet you never heard of innocent investors being called criminals, liar, and not an investor either. It happens here I would be glad to take a lie detector test on that.

I am asking the person who wrote:
--We have been sued with no money to defend, we have judgements, credit ruined.--
Why were you sued? What was the claim made in the suit against you?

4:48 I have never been sued.

Truth do you know what that means, bottom feeder?

Why don't you answer the question: Why were you sued? What was the claim made against you in the lawsuit?

I am only here to make sure the truth comes out. I will do it any way that I have to.

I see you now with your web of deceit. Twist it all you want but that does not change the facts that you do not tell the truth................Why don't you offer to take a lie detector test, you bottom feeder.

Comprehension is beyoond your level. I will not explain it again. I am not an Agent or Lou's Associate. Reread.

Let's see--you ignored a request for an interview and then you went on the blog to gripe because she didn't tell the story they way you thought she should have. And then somebody sued you even though you were just an innocent bystander who had nothing to do with selling Lou's scam to people. The outrage of it all.

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Because of her non existant version of the truth. We have been sued with no money to defend, we have judgements, credit ruined. I have child who will carry this name the rest of life and it has been slandered, she is treated differently and so is everyone in our family thanks to the creature they call a reporter. A reporter, reports facts nothing more nothing less. If you do ignore a request for interview you will be publically castrated

Why were you sued?

--We have been sued with no money to defend, we have judgements, credit ruined.--
The only people I've heard of being sued are the agents. I certainly have never heard of any innocent investors being sued.

I am just sick of the big guys trying to run all over the little guys with no supervision or accountablity.

Posted by: | June 04, 2008 at 01:10 PM

==
Welcome to Corporate America, the world's moste beloved country.

I call bullsh*t

I am just sick of the big guys trying to run all over the little guys with no supervision or accountablity.

I AM NOT AN AGENT OR ASSOCIATE OF LOU'S. Will be glad to take lie detector test, no problem.

12:17 Don't you see the damage has already been done. Because of her non existant version of the truth. We have been sued with no money to defend, we have judgements, credit ruined. I have child who will carry this name the rest of life and it has been slandered, she is treated differently and so is everyone in our family thanks to the creature they call a reporter. A reporter, reports facts nothing more nothing less. If you do ignore a request for interview you will be publically castrated. Don't think for a moment she won't to it to you. I believe she is the lowest life form.

Removing post from 2007 may not be a big deal to you but it is to me. If she told you that was an imposter did she tell you the imposter was on the computer at the exact same time she was. If you want to believe her BS go for it. I have proof and would not believe 1 word out of her mouth.

-- lies about you cost you everything that Lou did not take.--

The only way that could be true is if you were an agent or an associate of Lou's.

The only way that could be true is if you were an agent or an associate of Lou's.

Yes I tried to reveal my identity as deleted, because thats what happens when the innocent try to defend. Guess what happen I was deleted, try to find a post signed deleted.

I would be glad to mail you the posts and backup from Kim and Dilly. She wrote articles about people that were NOT true before finding out facts. She could not wait to blame. I will not post these because I will not stoop to her level. That is not me, it is her though.

I am sorry but I have been on this blog long enough to know what she is, stick around see for yourself.

Bitter is an understatment when you have had all your money taken by Lou and your name and lies about you cost you everything that Lou did not take.

I appreciate your advice and concern, thank you.

To 11:19: Do you think anyone cares or remembers some post from 2007, whether or not it was deleted? Since you have never revealed your identity, nothing posted here about you can harm you in any way. It's your own bitterness that's hurting you.

Perhaps you have some right to be bitter, but I don't think Helen would call anyone in these comments a criminal. She is a pro and doing a fine job in all aspects. Someone impersonating her then seems a reasonable explanation to me. Ever tried to mail or call her to clear the air?

I honestly can't believe that you could have this job at your competency level.

Let me refresh your memory, Helen posted October 9, 2007 at 2:33pm, 3:12pm, 5:00pm ect. Then she deleted her own post or had someone else do it. I hope the Feds are here because someone was also impersonating her that day as well, that is what she claimed, after she called me a criminal among other things. I have never even had a so much as parking ticket.

Maybe her mother did not teach her manners or anything else for that matter. When you do something wrong you say you are sorry. I apoligize I have to teach you this in the winter of your life, you could have used this information before.

[GiGi]

Hi! Helen,

Just want to thank you for keeping this blog going all this time.It kept us investors informed. I find Lou's sentencing bitter sweet.He got and deserved the 25 year sentence which I'm glad about but since there is no money to return to the investors, I'm still angry with him.

Do you know if a movie is still going to be produced about Lou? When will it come out?

[jeff]

sounds like tanker is in the tank

October 9th 2007 sound familiar I bet not, you deleted. You owe me and my family an apology for your irresponsible actions throughout.

The LAST place I want to be is on a sinking ship with tanker. Thank you.

9:25pm could not agree with more.

That 2% is what I understand as well.

This new revised interest of " agent attack" was brought on by Tanker . To date he was the primary person focusing his energies in this direction. It's because Tanker went to several atty's only to be told he really doesn't have a case. One atty. would take a look at things but he wanted $7500.00 up front. Tanker is trying to manipulate ppl. into jumping on his sinking ship in order get some help. WE aren't stupid and we won't be fooled again.

PS Tanker go back and read some past blogs about LP's close associates and Mr. Crist that's where you'll have your best chance of recovering something.

Where's your hard EVIDENCE THAT EVERYONE WAS PAID A 10% COMM. SHOW US THE PROOF! I know someone LP paid a 2%,what LP called a finders fee.

Interesting article from the NY Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/05/29/2008-05-29_legal_eagle_flew_away_with_400g.html

to the man's man, Posted by: | June 03, 2008 at 12:47 PM

I guess the difference with golden security is they offered clients a lower rate than Lou's ponzi paid to other investors, pocketing the difference? So add that to the 10% commission and you get around 15%, while the victim gets 3%, Could you do that to someone? seems pretty cold.

Here's part of article,
July 29, 2007 st.pete times.
What do you think? The deal Charlotte Oliver offered, just a 3.08% return in the cases I've seen, did not raise as obvious a red flag as the 6-7-8-9-10% yields Trans Continental offered in some instances. But should the lawyers Oliver dealt with have asked more questions about just what kind of investment this was? Maybe they wouldn't have figured out it was an unregistered security as the state now claims, but clearly it wasn't an insurance product, which is all the Olivers were licensed to sell. An airline offering a savings plan?

I often frequent thrift stores looking for classic movies on VHS for cheap.

I am always astounded at just how many recycled Backstreet Boys videos and CD's there are out there. I could even pick up two Longshots tomorrow if I wanted.

Someone made a boatload of money when they were originally produced and I doubt that investor's money was used to flood the market with the girl candy.

"What is known is that he left the country owing over 1800 investors more than $317-million and banks $130 million."
"Promoted by a select group of salespeople who portrayed themselves as financial advisers, the EISA program guaranteed rates which bested bank offerings by providing from 6 to 10% depending on how much you deposited and how long you locked it in for. These agents of Pearlman, many of whom have histories of selling questionable high-yield securities, were paid up-front commissions of about ten percent." (ripoffreport.com)

$317 mil. x 10% = 31.7 mil. , That would be nice to be returned to the investors.
Does anyone here think the "advisor's" should walk with that portion of the victims money in hand? no restitution? Seems pretty simple, return what they took from the victims, maybe a fine but certainly nothing less financially, they shouldn't make easy money at the victims expense. Give them probation till they pay back their restitution to the victims. I don't think jail time would help the victims.

Don't think the blog is clogged, say whatever you want.

Jeff, What's going on with the case?

Hey jeff,

Perhaps you and your drones, plus the agents and theirs, should simply stop clogging up the blog with your tripe then?

I doubt that the inane comments are coming from some poor retarded lad or a room full of monkeys sitting at keyboards.

Almost always the purpose of smothering a blog with bologna is to hide the steak from view.

Jeff, one of us know's what we speak, the other has no idea they are being spoken to.

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 at 08:15 PM

exactly, right on the money

For once I agree with "jeff". Get with the program, people.

There are not hundreds of millions of dollars hidden away in secret bank accounts. Pearlman like to spend, and he certainly did it in a big way. Yeah, you can fire of lawsuits against Pearlman's associates, but even if you win, you will never get your money back.

[jeff]

wow 125 comments and no one knows what they are talking about. Get a life everyone

He can always say:

I don't care who you are, where you're from.
What you did as long as you love me.

I wonder if Pearlman will be joining a gang to seek protection? What would be his reaction if other inmates intimidate him by trying to take his food at mess time? Will he stand up to them and show them he is tough?

If you choose not to apologize and God knows we deserve one. I will have something special on the blog just for you.

It's hard to believe Lou can admit when he is wrong but our own moral midget can't.

tanker, It was my money that was taken, so I know how it feels. You keep saying the same thing over and over are you even an investor?

I would have no way of knowing this, but please drive on over and see him for yourself. I'm sure people would like to know.

There would be no way that I could answer that but drive or fly on down and let us all know.

How is Pearlman adjusting to jail? What is his demeanor?

Well I think someone needs to stand up and tell the truth here. Lou did it and so can you.

If you have issues with Golden Securities take it up with them. Stop crying like a baby and be a man.

tanker, you are way out of your league.

Now you didn't look up due diligence did you? I have never had anything to do with financial products but would love to know about it.

[tanker]

If you can't name someone who pays a similar commission on FDIC don't even start about your due diligence that you preformed on an unregistered security that you obviously did not take 5 minutes to call FDIC to check it out.

June 03, 2008 at 11:57 AM

who pays big commissions on FDIC products? please tell, you haven't even started

[tanker]

June 01, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I think it might matter to you if it was your money, some made way more than 50k maybe 50k a month. If you didn't make anything that what have you got to lose? I think you are also forgetting that it is illegal to sell unregistered securities in Florida. If you lost your life savings what would you consider fair? At 10% commission there is a reason to see those funds returned to the victims. I know a victim in the nursing home right now that could certainly use even 10% of her investment that she was sold by Golden Securities. From what I have read here in the times golden securities also took some of the victims interest (8.05%) and paid them less (3.05%) I would like to know if that is even legal, I know its not moral.

tanker, when you can't remember, just go back and reread everything.

Next I would like you to look up idiot, and last the word wrong. I am not an agent, I am an investor so I would have no idea about FDIC products, what people were paid maybe you should ask a broker. When you find out let us all know. We would be intrest If you are so hostile about the person who handled this for you, sue them, I don't care but you are still not right.

tanker, I see you have forgotten everything. Lets start with one thing at a time. What does due diligence mean? After that we can go to your next point ok.

[tanker]

Lets use something called common sense, the agents say due diligence, didn't know ect. , I haven't heard one give an example of any FDIC product that pays commissions like Lou was paying them. If we lived in salesman land you'd get a job at bank of america as a teller and make way more than selling Lou's EISA, heck even if you made 1/10th of the commission you'd be making 150k + per year selling CD's at the bank. Wouldn't due diligence figure that out?
I'm sure the idiots that looked the other way and sold this to people to get a big commission, that was only available from EISA. There are no other FDIC or I should restate that there are no FDIC products even close to paying out those numbers to tellers or brokers.
So before you call me a liar please name one FDIC investment that pays somewhere near what the salesman were skimming. If you can't do it....well so much for due diligence, and me being a liar. Take a look in the closest mirror and you'll see either a liar or a fool or both!
ps. why are you anonymous?

A dictionary may help also.

The truth you probable didn't recognize it.

[tanker]

June 02, 2008 at 09:46 AM

what the hell are you babbling about?

3:55 pm, when one makes a statement there needs to be credibility.

[Helen Huntley]

I don't have any deal with anyone. I'm sure the feds don't care whether I'm monitoring the blog or not. I've just been busy.

>Some think Helen struck a deal with the feds not to monitor the blog anymore to open it wide and trace the ISP numbers eventually...you can guess the rest.

Posted by: | June 02, 2008 at 08:24 AM<

Feds, if true thank you for being here.

9:42 am cont....I am not even an agent.

tanker, even if you don't post your name we know it's you and yes you are still wrong. ok

9:42 sorry deleted

Even post that she wrote then deleted.

I hope that is correct, maybe when they trace the ISP numbers they can see I was delted, blocked, and called a liar by her, this what happens when you try to defend yourself. If they need the records I saved every word.

Some think Helen struck a deal with the feds not to monitor the blog anymore to open it wide and trace the ISP numbers eventually...you can guess the rest.

Posted by: | June 02, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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I noticed her removing some too filthy dirt recently so she monitors. I think Helen does look after herself pretty well, deal or no deal. Good to keep most of the rubbish online though, may come in handy, too.

Some think Helen struck a deal with the feds not to monitor the blog anymore to open it wide and trace the ISP numbers eventually...you can guess the rest.

12:16 am, what are you drinking, smoking?
What about the infamous agent who bragged about selling $30 million of EISA? Yeah it'd be expensive to find out he lied, of course. Maybe the gov't will take a look for us.

1) Fish

2) Alan S.

3) Mike M.

Jun,1,3:27 cont....This can happen to anyone who ignores a request from a reporter. They seem to take pleasure to destroy lives, ruin names, tear apart families with no accountability. Was it worth it?

The people who type the ridiculous want meaningful pushed down in the comment section or they are drunk and scared.

You people are like a bunch of kids,in fact one time my son ate a whole can of play doe and he didn't poop for a week. When he finally did he pooped out an ash-tray. That was the day I gave up smoking. Give up the finger pointing and focus on adult,reasonable,solutions. In short grow up!

3) F.U.

AHHHH TUNA

I'd say you don't know what you are talking about. If they didn't indict the 7 million dollar man than why would they waste time with agents or anyone else. Maybe some civil charges but you obviously have short term memory problems or you're just an a**. THEY DON'T HAVE STRONG ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO INDICT OTHER PEOPLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BECAUSE LP DID IT ALL!

Let make a list up of who will end up in jail. I will start then somebody continue.

1) Fish

I say Mark Tolner in about a month or two

blah blah blah

the only thing left to talk about is who will be the first people indicted and how soon

Blame who ever you want, that does not make you right.

tanker, still not correct.

I agree 100% with 6:12, that is not who I am referring to and they know it.

Not quite. Head Crook was Lou. He had help. The sales agents were negligent and so were the banks. They specialize in selling investment products, they need to verify and check further than their clients who rely on their expertise.
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It probably is 3;16 but atleast people are finally seeing that the real crook was LP and not everyone else. It's like the bank president embezzling money and the bank stock holders wanting to sue the teller because she helped them make deposits and withdrawls.

Posted by: | June 01, 2008 at 06:12 PM

I thought that was an excellent analogy can you do better? I agree 100% with 6:12 bravo!

That isn't good enough.

It probably is 3;16 but atleast people are finally seeing that the real crook was LP and not everyone else. It's like the bank president embezzling money and the bank stock holders wanting to sue the teller because she helped them make deposits and withdrawls.

Why wasn't a story done on this? Maybe a retraction of the terrible things said about innocent people, maybe an apology or a settlement. Something that would show good faith or is that to much to ask?

Even if he were encouraged to, the agents are innocent. Know matter what Lou says or does not say.

Thank you for clearing that one up.

So basically the facts have already come out and that's exactly why they DIDN'T arrest Mike Crudale and only pursued civil filings. He made over 7 million do you think they are going to care about some agent that made 50k. You people that keep harping on the "agent attack" need to face a harsh reality. If they arrest 100 agents and get 50k from each one them in fines that's 5 million. Not worth the giant waste of energy and courts time.

10:52 you're right and if you recall Lou in court took full responsibility, he said nothing about the agents or anyone else , even when he was otherwise encouraged to do so.

You were led to believe this from one who is verbally incontinent.

Sue who ever you want but be prepared, because there are a pile of judgements and suits before you. That is what happens to the innocent. You were led to believe that they did wrong, Attorney's, CPA's, Financial Planners and Agents, Friends and Family. The facts will come out. I just don't know when.

5:46 You are right even if they did it on a contingency basis they still want cost to serve, file, foresic, ect. They just want our money too.

They could not have known if they did they would not have invested their funds as well as family and friends. Use your heaad people.

When I stared my EISA in 1998 LP gave me a copy of a FDIC paper which listed the banks Wachovia being one of them where the money was being held if he was doing things like this how could anyone know?

WRONG 10:41, several lawyers I spoke with didn't think I had a case worth pursuing. As far as the one that did he wanted $10,000.00 that's a "BIG" contigency fee. We than had to serve my agent, which is you guessed it, more money because he moved from Tampa to Vero Beach. Which means hirihg a private investigator and possibily,you got it more money. Than assuming you are very lucky you have to prove just how much this person made off of you. Next you have to spend more money with a forensic acct. to verify your findings to the court. If the judge rules in you favor the "agent" could easily file bankruptcy or move again. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to get a judgement but that's the same as Big Lou's deal and we all know what that's worth. Oh I also forgot in the best case, this will take about 2-3 years, and there are no guarantees this person will have money.If you want to sue someone go after the state of Florida. They knew and did nothing, they have tons of money, and they are easy to find. Remember Lou Pearlman stole your money and state let him do it.

Lou took all the money. Stay with the band.

Oh great another commercial just what we need.

Actually, the standard of evidence used to judge the criminal case is higher than the standard applied in civil cases. In a civil suit,you only need a preponderance of evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal lawsuit. An attorney is also more likely,if he reviews and agrees to take the case in the first place, to take a contigency fee, not a retainer. Lou's lack of accurate records doesn't make much difference. The agents still had a responsibility to confirm that the investment products they were selling actually did have the insurance coverage that was claimed and that EISA was even a existing type of plan.They were negligent in not confirming the most basic aspects of what they were selling.This is what they do on a regular basis.This is regardless of whether they were licensed or unlicensed or whether the products were registered or not.They failed their responsibilities.If they sold a lot or more often, or advertised,especially in retirement communities,then they were even more negligent. Doesn't hurt to have a free consultation with an attorney

To 8:04 am - you must not have been paying attention very well to this blog. In order to go after "cronies" - if you went after them civily, you'd have to hire a lawyer, pay a big retainer, and there is very little proof and almost impossible to win. They didn't steal your money, Lou P did!! The government has tons of money and you can sue City Hall. It's been done many times in the past. Especially when you have government officials not responding to complaints and the needs of their voters. Lastly, only law enforcement can go after people criminally and this is not going to happen because of Lou P's lack of help and accurate proof.

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 at 09:53 AM

7:15 what the hell is expanatory? is that when you gain weight?

8:15 They're HERE not HEAR once again I guess you have to be a F-en jerk to make comments on this site.
P.S. what the hell is a message board?

The guilty are trying to ruin this message board. Their hear

I could not agree more.

I wish he would learn to write properly.

He could be telling someone that they are in trouble, thats what I get.

self expanatory

No you a-hole I'm talking to 10:37 do you have any idea what he was trying to say?

1:20 are we mind readers, who the hell are you talking to, yourself.

10:37 go back to school and learn to write, I didn't understand what you were trying to say . Do you have somekind of a learning disability or are you just an idiot. I think the later.

Tyler is it a coincidence or did you plan the release date to come out on the anniversary of Frankie Vazquez's death?

"only law enforcement can go after people criminally and this is not going to happen because of Lou P's lack of help and accurate proof."
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Since in the slammer Lou did already give in some. The longer he is in there, the more things will dawn to him and the higher chances get he'll talk. You just wait and be very afraid.

You got it, Thanks

To 8:04 am - you must not have been paying attention very well to this blog. In order to go after "cronies" - if you went after them civily, you'd have to hire a lawyer, pay a big retainer, and there is very little proof and almost impossible to win. They didn't steal your money, Lou P did!! The government has tons of money and you can sue City Hall. It's been done many times in the past. Especially when you have government officials not responding to complaints and the needs of their voters. Lastly, only law enforcement can go after people criminally and this is not going to happen because of Lou P's lack of help and accurate proof.

Dont vote for Obama because he will put Sharpton and Jesse in his cabinet.

'nuff said

Jeff, can you please give us the number of the pro bono attorney. Maybe in the next letter from the Department of Justice or victims list letter. Thanks.

Great idea, Lou took their money remember. Next.

Posted by: A friend | May 30, 2008 at 09:19 PM

Let's not forget Lou's cronies, don't forget the old saying "you can't fight city hall" So your not going to sue the government and win. You might have better luck, if someone sold it to you, to go after them.

cont....shes a democrat. I probable can't even spell it.

That no lady.

We have no money?

[CAL.]

How about talking about what the state of Florida should do to help us. We need to find a lawyer to go after them for negligance.

9:19 your comments were both insightful and needed, hopefully Helen will start deleting some of this strange garbage ppl. are posting.

I agree 9:19. We're getting way off base...with the name calling and negative comments. This site has been our best bet for good information for many months. PLEASE don't ruin it for us...

A friend, you really are a friend.

6:49 : that was not hidden.

[Michelle]

Shut yo mouth.

[Barack]

I just want you all to vote for me for change and I will give you change all right. You give me one dollar and I'll give you change of 10 cents. I love America. You know---the money belongs to the government since we print it---it doesn't belong to you even if it's in your bank account.

[Jeff]

Andy is such an idiot. very much so.

[Dick]

Jeff is famous in our neighborhood as the one to go to for something good. wink wink.

He is engaging in what is called "spinning" in politics

Are you the real Jeff posting again?

That's been your intention all along. Your contstant posts,your alter egos. Why don't you leave, and the nonsense will stop.How about just banning you from posting, or has that already been done and this is your revenge? All makes sense.
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Helen. Why do you let this blog continue. All you have is a bunch of children fighting with each other. Why not discontinue the blog

Posted by: jeff | May 30, 2008 at 06:11 PM

Read it.

[jeff]

Helen. Why do you let this blog continue. All you have is a bunch of children fighting with each other. Why not discontinue the blog

What do you think his hidden agenda is and after I am done with the facts you present, I will make up my mind. Remember proof is on you, so lets see what you have.

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 at 03:10 PM
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Decide for yourself. Proof is in the comments. It's a lot to read, but you're not too lazy, are you?

You are really scared and in really big trouble huh?

[Jeff]

is a dumbass dweeb--i know becuase we use to beat him up when we were kids--even though we kids were 15 and he was 24.

What do you think his hidden agenda is and after I am done with the facts you present, I will make up my mind. Remember proof is on you, so lets see what you have.

well.... you have no idea what you speak.

Where do these figures come from. I spent 3000 hrs at 2.36598365 per hour, i would like to be reimbursed as well. Call it even at 7g's

Those are not his shills that was me. What is wrong with you?

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 at 11:20 AM
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If this is true you apparently fell for it. It's fairly easy to spot jeffs hidden agenda, even easier than it was to do some due diligence on the EISA scam. But if you choose to not take your time, well...

Those are not his shills that was me. What is wrong with you?

You bore me.

I guess this is when you ego kicks in so you can show us all how inadequate you really are. Have you learned nothing?

I think Jeff is the guy who posted as "former employee". The former employee also freaked the boys out.

10:41 AM - One only has to take some time and follow too helpful to be true "voice of reason" jeff's and his thank-you-jeff shills contributions from the moment he came in May 11 at 01:56 PM.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/money/2008/05/creditors-want.html

A wolf in sheep clothes.

Maybe you do not know this because you were never taught, we finally have a source of information which is very valuable to all of us,a voice of reason. You trying to shade this in a negative light is ungrateful. I know the ego thing kicks in for you. These would be things that might happen for you if you are respected as a person:

1. Someone might ask your opinion on something.

2 They may ask what you would do in a similar situation.

3. Someone may ask you for help in solving their problem.

4. They may say that is a great idea.

5. Someone may say thank you.

6. They may say something nice about you.

ect.

Is this happening in your life? Then you know what you need to work on don't you.

Hey Jeff wanna be FU

I think Jeff's mother is very proud of him and certainly raised a well educated decent human being, which is more than we can say about you.

[Jeff]

I think Jeff is not even Jeff himself and that there is a serious confusion of identities with the one who calls himself jeff and that we may have a syble on our hands. how mean was your mother, jeff

[Geoff]

To be Jeff or not to Be Jeff, that is the question.

Do you want to be Jeff so bad that you have now taken on his identity.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

[Bigfoot]

I am not Jeff either

[jeff]

Earlier post was not Jeff. I have not posted for a week, so somebody else is using the name Jeff.

Not that it will bring back the money that was stolen but does anyone have a picture of fatso drawn by a court room artist ?

[Jeff]

Very professional and makes soneeta look childish.

These lawyers know how to write motions compared to Fletcher's motion before sentencing that was amateurish.