Northside hires new coach

Northside Christian hired Andre Dobson as the school's new football coach.

The announcement came via e-mail sent by Northside's administration to faculty and parents of students at the school.

Dobson, a former player and coach at Evangel University, will start April 7. For the past three seasons, he coached at Monte Vista Christian in Watsonville, Calif., where he took over a program that lost 18 straight games. Last season, Dobson guided Monte Vista to the city championship.

Northside Christian athletic director Raul Hernandez said Dobson's "coaching and playing experience and his passion for students and football made him an obvious fit."

Dobson replaces Bob Dare, who was dismissed as coach and vice principal/dean of students in February. Dare and the school reached a settlement two weeks ago.

--BOB PUTNAM

Comments

His three years at Monte Vista his total record was 12-17-1. Hardly a step up from Bob Dare.
2007 5-5-0
2006 4-5-1
2005 3-7-0
This was clearly a cost-cutting move by NCS...not a want to improve the program!

[Ok]

Please. Look at it this way. The year before he took over they had lost 18 straight.

So year 1: 3 game improvement
Year 2: 1 game improvement
Year 3: 1 game improvement

See a pattern here?

IMPROVEMENT each year.

True, but you don't know what caused the 0-18. I hear that the first coach wasn't that great and they were a fairly new program. A coaching record of 12-17-1 was the best NCS could come up with??? If he's an improvment guy as you say (although I disagree) then we are going to find out fast...NCS lost 13-14 seniors and their 2008 schedule is bruttal.

They fired a WINNING coach for a LOSING coach...wow! Now THAT's IMPROVEMENT...see a pattern????

those NCS boys need to head over to KCS and be coached by a winning coach Sansom

[Juan "Does this sombrero make me look old?" McCain]

I want to voice my dismay at this hire as well. It only took me ten minutes of research to find the following about the Dobson's era at MVC:

- Team finished 6 out of 6 (05), 5/6 (06), and 5/6 (07) in their district.

- Lost their final game in 2007 by a score of 60-7.

- Dobson was relieved of his position in January. (Hope they treated him better than NCS did Bob Dare!)

- There is no such thing as a "City Championship" in Watsonville!!!

What in the world was NCS thinking here? I know for a fact that there were EXTREMELY, over qualified candidates locally that applied and interviewed. You hire a coach with limited head coaching experience, a loosing record with little or no connectivity to the St. Pete area for assistants and he is going to teach PE? I suppose it is just another chapter in the NCS Manual of jaw dropping and shockingly bad decisions. I feel sorry for the players, students and families at NCS, they deserve better management than they have received the past few years.

I do not know Dobson and I am sure that he is a heck of a nice guy. I think he will regret coming all this way from CA but I wish him all the luck in the world (and he WILL need it! Just take a look at next year's roster and schedule). After he finishes 2-8 next year, I suppose he can claim improvement if they win 3 or 4 the next two years...

[Rog]

It doesnt really matter who the coach is. All us players need to focus on is going out there and playing as hard as we can no matter who it is. thats it.

[douchie]

Great coach hire if it was for KFC!

Juan McCain,

You are correct....I found the same thing. Also his college coaching experience was being a graduate assistant (AKA: cord carrier)for Evangel. So let's get this straight...NCS fires a winning coach, hires, has this whole public relations mess for 3 months, finally announces the new hire which turns out to be a coach with 3 years experience as a head coach, a 12-17-0 record, NEVER had a winning season...and was FIRED from his last gig in California....must not have IMPROVED them enough! Good Lord! NCS...what are you thinking???? Then the AD says he was the "obvious pick"...WOW!...sounds like the Titanic to me!

[Juan "Si Se Puede! (have open borders)" McCain]

The quote by AD Hernandez is so funny! When speaking about Dobson, Hernandez said, "coaching and playing experience and his passion for students and football made him an obvious fit." Let's break this down-

1. Coaching- It has already been shown that he only has three seasons experience as a HS coach and with a LOSING record. He did GA for tiny Evangel College (NAIA) - "Hey kid, get the real coaching staff some coffee then fold that laundry!"

2. Playing- So he played NAIA football at Evangel. Two points, first, playing experience does not translate to coaching ability. Second, NAIA is sort of like the gay cousin to the red headed step child. Yes, it is that non-prestegious.

3. Passion- While this is a necessary ingredient for success, most coaches who are unemployed and looking for their next job are passionate.

Now the "Perry Mason" moment, you fired a coach in Bob Dare that was clearly passionate about his players and football. Dare was in another league when comparing coaching resumes with the new hire. I know for a fact that there were other candidates for this that had better bona fides in all of these areas yet NCS still picks Dobson from "over 50 applicants"?

Looks to me like the AD made a hire that would not outshine him. Pride is so ugly, especially in the Christian world.

[Embarrassed NCS alumnus]

Yeah, and this 'All-Star' game that he coached in, his team got the crap beat out of them and they only had about 51 yards of total offense! Impressive.

"OK" is definately the new A.D. trying to defend his ridiculous decision!

The very fact that this new football coach is already able to come in April solidifies the fact that the Northside "investigation" was nothing but a farce! This guy could not get here that quickly if there were not plans going on behind the scenes during this "investigation" where there was to be no interviewing or hiring going on. Northside is a complete disgrace!

[Johnson]

Seriously, everyone please just shut up. I go to northside and right now all of you are sounding like a bunch of whiny babies. Yes coach dare was a great man, and though i disagree with administration's decision to get rid of him, it is over. No one is going to be able to change what has happened. I dont understand why people won't just let this new coach come in and speak for himself rather than go off of what he has done in the past. It is getting really annoying to hear everyones whining and complaining

Johnson...you must not be a NCS football player or a parent of a football player...you must play chess or something...the band perhaps????

[HSFB coach]

This blog makes me ill reading the comments people have about someone they have no clue about who lives across the country. They pick out pieces of his resume and act as if the whims of 15/16/17 year olds (whom he didn't 'recruit') determine what kind of man he is. Small school high school football is #1 about the experience, and providing one for the kids that will teach them life lessons they can take for themselves forever. Next in priority is doing all coaches can to win and lose but keeping that as priority number TWO. This blog talks about wins and losses as if NC were a professional team or at 'worst' a top-tiered D-1 team. I can understand the possible hubbub about the previous coach but to rake the new coach over the coals whom none of you have ever met because of your perception of 'lack of improvement' or his perceived lack of experience, that is just mindless. I have seen this repeatedly over the past year or so on this blog and it is sad that our kids are viewing adults' priorities as such.

Wow, if Sanson is so good at KCS, why are his kids jumping ship?

Also, since when was winning the issue with Dare? As far as I know, winning and losing had nothing to do with it-it was the direction of the program and where the school wanted it to be

There are OBVIOUSLY several people on here who have NO CLUE about coaching and college level ANYTHING.

A GA at any school, most especially a small school HAS TO coach because they can't afford enough coaches to do all they need (I know, I did it and my brother did it at a D-1 school). Also, did anyone check Dare's resume, playing career or college coaching career before writing this stuff? I know his background before he took over when Brinkley left, and it was not as good as this guys.

Hey Juan, what is YOUR coaching background? My guess is it isn't even Little League. Good grief, read HSFB's comments 1st, then some others after that. THEN you might get some perspective. OK, most likely you won't.

Oh yeah, I played NAIA and it is exactly the same as NCAA D-II, same scholarships and same schedules. Ironically, I coached in college against Evangel, and guess what, they are pretty decent.

come to irc..... best coach in the county

[BEST FOOTBALL SCHOOL?]

WHICH IS THE BEST?

[johnson]

actually i am a football player, and yes i will say i really liked coach dare and im sad to see him go. That being said whining about what happened really isnt going to make the situation any better. Thats just my opinion though

[football fan]

Well, the 9:10pm guy is more than likely Tom Philips. Real loyalty there, Tom, after all Coach Dare did for you and your son.

[Friend of Juan]

Sounds like lately some think a 12-17-1 LOSING coach is OK...just because he's prehaps "good with kids"....so is SpongeBob!...This is about hiring THE BEST ALL ROUND CANDIDATE to replace Bob Dare. For you guys slaming Juan...check out his research...he IS correct...I am amazed at the attitude of my fellow Christians sometime...they settle for less-than-second-best (esecially in this case) ...then when "exposed" for they're poor judgement...they quickly say "it was Gods' will!" Pathetic use of the Lord's name! For the football player...you are correct...it's not going to change anything...but my point was simply that the NCS leadership did you and your fellow players a dis-service by dismissing a winning coach (which they had a right to do) then replacing him with a coach that got FIRED in Jan., has a 12-17-1 record and made false "claims" about a city championship that does not exist...sounds like George O'Leary doesn't it? Play your heart out kid!...you have the right attitude dispite your schools poor judgement in hiring a coach.

Since when did NCS become Notre Dame of HS football?

[Tom P]

OK "football fan"-just to clarify since you evidently didn't understand my blog-it doesn't matter what size the school is or where you played, or even if you played for that matter-what matters is if you can coach, you can coach. I will follow Bob to Plant if he asked me to, as I have worked with him for over 20 years and have no qualms. I just wanted to clarify that part. Football fans all over should be giving this new guy a chance, not ripping him because he went to Evangel College.

Wow George O'Leary.....he really is a horrible coach isn't he....oh wait, he got UCF into a bowl game and Notre Dame did.......ooops, maybe that wasn't a good idea after all...LOL

Tom P: We are not ripping the new coach because he went to Evangel. The ripping is from "claiming" a city championship...when there isn't one (how do you win anything with a 5-5 record in 07?) I know about grad asst. it is NOT THE SAME AS BEING A POSITION COACH...I went to a Div 1 university...I know. The main ripping however is the fact that NCS fired Dare (which had a winning record) then hired a coach with a LOSING record, a coach who had NEVER HAD a winning season. His only claim to glory was he "turned around" a 0-18 team....well...they must not have thought that much of him...they FIRED HIM in Jan. Fact is NCS did not hire the best candidate. No way Dopson was better than 49 other candidates...I know one applicant personally and his resume was HEAD OVER HEELS better than Dopson....it must have been a cost cutting move on NCS's part...plain and simple.

The "George O'Leary" comment was about the comparison about resume deception about "city championship"...not about coaching ability...SMART ONE...LOL!!!!

[Juan "Coyote" McCain]

Yawn...Whatever my experience might be is not the issue although you are right, I have never coached youth/little league. I suppose if I had, I would have been qualified for some of the HC jobs here in the county though! Last I checked, I do have a right to my opinion. You don't need to agree or like them, in fact, I hope that you are offended and then maybe you might be willing to examine the situation yourselves.

Football on any level is about winning! Do you want Bill Castle or Clay Aiken coaching your kid on Friday nights? If HS football is not about winning, why do we laud accolades on the coaches that win and fire those that loose (except in Pinellas County)?

Of course, there are many other valuble lessons that are taught through the game BUT if winning is not the priority, don't conduct searches for football coaches, hire a great youth pastor or social worker: I mean most of the youth pastors could teach those other lessons better and a loss is a loss whether it is 13-14 or 60-7.

The point that was made at 7:36am about George O'Leary; I don't think is about his coaching ability rather the poster is making a point about his dishonesty and character. Should truthfulness and strength of character be extremely important to NCS in anybody they hire? They do claim to be a Christian school.

Hey former GA, have you examined the coaching staff and roster at Evangel College? I didn't think so, they are full loaded with coaches...are you also the person that claims to have played NAIA? If so, that is great for you but do not insult the intelligence of those of us knowledgable and say that it is the same as DII. It is not. Not to say that it does not serve a purpose or can be fun and exciting, it is. So enjoy your memories of being a big time college football player. Maybe you can be a coordinator at NCS with all your impressive playing and coaching experience. Do you have passion for kids and football? If so, give Raul a call!

My final point is this, NCS makes stupid decisions. I am not ripping Dobson because I don't want him to succeed. I wanted to know why he was picked when I know that there were others that are head and shoulders better that applied (and let me stop you there, no, I did not apply!). There were winning coaches with impressive backgrounds that love the game and kids that were most certainly able to teach PE that sought this job. NCS students and parents should demand better for their money!!!

Hey Juan, where does it say this coach is going to teach PE? It's not in that article. Just curious how you have info no one else does (like other candidates are more qualified)

I run my own business and if I hired everyone just based on their resume I would have been bankrupt and out of business years ago. You hire based on need and fit, plus interview.

Oh brother! 10:14 must be Mary Brandes' father, Mr. Tibbits!!!!

[Juan "Si Amnesty!" McCain]

NCS is a big place and people talk. Don't assume that everyone that works at NCS is on board with this hire!

9:49pm everyone who got the email from NCS knows he is coaching PE. It stated it within in the email to all. I didn't realize we had an opening for that job but apparently we did. Look out current PE teachers maybe you are next. LOL

[Mustang Fan]

The PE teacher vacancy probably was the result of Adam Moravick leaving.

Who were the more qualified coaches?

10:17-did you get fired by Mr Tibbets, is that how you know him?

Moravick left a year ago!

12:11 dont say dumb things that you have no idea whether they are true or not

The George O'Leary comment may have been made about him having a deceiving resume, but look at the end result....ND hired him based on how good he did at Ga Tech, then got heat from fans and media and felt forced to fire him. Now he has shown he is still the best man for the job, so it really isn't a good simile cuz this could be the same thing that happens here

don't count on it...comparing NCS's new coach to George O'Leary is like comparing Richard Simmons to Ray Lewis.

I suspect Juan was a candidate or is a friend of a candidate. Since he has already said he himself wasn't a candidate I'll say the later...

[John Stephens (Warrior)]

everyone needs to just let it rest Northside decided that they do not want coach dare there as a coach anymore as much as i love coach dare people need to just drop it and move on thats what i have done... i wish Northside the best in football next year and they should still be a playoff bound team with their new coach

[KCS parent]

kids at Keswick are NOT jumping ship!! In fact, several juniors and seniors are going out for the first time next year because of the coaching staff!! NCS players would be welcome to join a quality program.

[Juan "Cheap Labor" McCain]

Maybe. Or, did it occur to you that I might be an NCS employee. Maybe an NCS parent. Maybe I am just a casual observer from Rhode Island who stumbled onto this board. Of course, it could be none of the above. Whatever role you'd like to assign to me, which is totally irrelevant, I still think NCS makes bad decisions and screws the kids, families, employees, and qualified applicants.

Ole'

[alumni of ncs]

Wow. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA

DARES=AMAZING IRREPLACEABLE PEOPLE!

NCS ADMINISTRATION=LIARS, & POOR DECISION MAKERS

NEW COACH= NO CLUE ... BUT GOODLUCK YOU WILL NEED IT.

I am truly exhausted from all of this drama the last few months...very sad about it all... Love the Dares! But what really saddens me is that the school graduated from is making such poor decisions. It makes me sad that now when I look back or go to the school I get sick feelings in my stomach & hurt.
God will bless the Dares though for being amazing thru this had time. NCS Please get better! =(

[alumni of ncs]

Wow. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA

DARES=AMAZING IRREPLACEABLE PEOPLE!

NCS ADMINISTRATION=LIARS, & POOR DECISION MAKERS

NEW COACH= NO CLUE ... BUT GOODLUCK YOU WILL NEED IT.

I am truly exhausted from all of this drama the last few months...very sad about it all... Love the Dares! But what really saddens me is that the school graduated from is making such poor decisions. It makes me sad that now when I look back or go to the school I get sick feelings in my stomach & hurt.
God will bless the Dares though for being amazing thru this had time. NCS Please get better! =(

[alumni of ncs]

Wow. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA

DARES=AMAZING IRREPLACEABLE PEOPLE!

NCS ADMINISTRATION=LIARS, & POOR DECISION MAKERS

NEW COACH= NO CLUE ... BUT GOODLUCK YOU WILL NEED IT.

I am truly exhausted from all of this drama the last few months...very sad about it all... Love the Dares! But what really saddens me is that the school graduated from is making such poor decisions. It makes me sad that now when I look back or go to the school I get sick feelings in my stomach & hurt.
God will bless the Dares though for being amazing thru this had time. NCS Please get better! =(

[alumni of ncs]

Wow. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA

DARES=AMAZING IRREPLACEABLE PEOPLE!

NCS ADMINISTRATION=LIARS, & POOR DECISION MAKERS

NEW COACH= NO CLUE ... BUT GOODLUCK YOU WILL NEED IT.

I am truly exhausted from all of this drama the last few months...very sad about it all... Love the Dares! But what really saddens me is that the school graduated from is making such poor decisions. It makes me sad that now when I look back or go to the school I get sick feelings in my stomach & hurt.
God will bless the Dares though for being amazing thru this had time. NCS Please get better! =(

[alumni of ncs]

Wow. DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA

DARES=AMAZING IRREPLACEABLE PEOPLE!

NCS ADMINISTRATION=LIARS, & POOR DECISION MAKERS

NEW COACH= NO CLUE ... BUT GOODLUCK YOU WILL NEED IT.

I am truly exhausted from all of this drama the last few months...very sad about it all... Love the Dares! But what really saddens me is that the school graduated from is making such poor decisions. It makes me sad that now when I look back or go to the school I get sick feelings in my stomach & hurt.
God will bless the Dares though for being amazing thru this had time. NCS Please get better! =(

is 9:10/T Philips the so called JV baseball coach with the cell phone growing out his ear?

God told me to fire them. That tell you all you have to know about the nut bars running that school. Transfer out as quick as you can. Senf your 8 grades to Indian Rocks or KCS or even CCC. I do you keep a woman who makes comments like that and who then lies about it in her job?

[Macarena Rose]

May God Bless the Dares, and may God bless the new coach, he has the LARGEST of SHOES to follow.
Winning is important in a football game, however, all in all, it is a game, it is how the Boys feel about themselves, their school, their coach and the game they played, that in life,in their future will really and truly matter!
My Son is the MAN he is today, because of one Man in his life who cared about him, counseled him and befriended him.
That man is Coach Dare.
My Son only went back to NCS after he graduated to see one person, Coach Dare.
My Son played football very well and put his heart into it, but it was not this that Coach Dare has been noted for by my Son, it is for the MAN he is, and for this reason he is proud to call his friend.
Once again, the loss of Coach Dare as a Member of NCS in any capacity, is a huge RED MARK to NCS. It speaks volumes as to what is important to NCS now.

[football player at ncs]

unfortunately, ncs's administration is made up of liars. But, the truth is is its not changing and unfotuunnately dare isnt coming back. Mary brandes has made my decision clear to leave ncs next year. im sure many others have the same feelings as me, and good luck to the football program next year.

[NCS student]

I'm out of there too! Hidden agendas and lies too much to take.

[NCS parent]

T Philips thinks he's a coach. I don't know why the man would be using a cell phone? He doesn't speak to anyone!

[In the Know]

Juan and others of interest... Mary Brandes operates with hidden agendas and hides behind her Christianity. She fired the boys varsity basketball coach two years ago over Bob Dare's ( AD at the time ) recommendation only to hire a former girls basketball coach who left NCS several years ago under a cloud of suspicion. This coach came back to NCS after he was not retained at Eckerd College as an assistant girls basketball coach (whole staff fired).
He posts a losing record 12-16 this past season with a watered down schedule that he made changes to. He is retained, but Brandes lets go Dare who finished 7-3 this year. Make sense?

Hidden agenda...basketball coach's wife works for large home builder in area while Brandes' family used to own Cox Lumber. Get the picture?

Removing Dare had nothing to do with his performance or how he handled the student athletes. It had to do with people in Brandes' ear ( on staff ) that weren't happy with their sons playing time ( hidden agenda ).

The last three months have been nothing but smoke screens and lies to get to her objective.

Now everyone can understand why so many people are upset. This M.O. will continue as long as Brandes is in power. In the mean time, the students are leaving and the school suffer's this bad PR.

[NCS B ball player FB player and student]

TO In The Know... U must be bitter about basketball some how maybe a parent whos son didnt play alot or someone who has something against the basketball coach for some reason!!! but let me tell u that the basketball team was 110 times better with the new coach this year then the one before!!!!!!

[Mustang Fan]

NCS B ball and FB player What are u basing your commentary on? Was your record different than In the Know states?
Was your schedule altered and easier teams added? I can appreciate u defending your coach, but u are not basing it on any facts.

true 3:37 mustang fan. well said... The schedule was deffinately changed...alot of these teams played this year we had never played before...which we never should have. How are you supposed to get better by playing crappy teams??haha But hey it makes the coach look better..oh we are winning...haha

[NCS B ball player FB player and student]

We Played for a District Championship this year and made the playoffs!!!! and being coached by both coaches our new one one worked with taught us developed skills disciplined us and not only became a coach but a christian we we can look up too!!!!! Haines didnt do half the things this coach did this year!

easy teams=easier to get to district championship.

I guarntee most of these comments come from former coaches or parents whos sons didnt play!!!!! if u are anybody reasonable u kno that the new coach is the best thing thats happened to mustang basketball in the past 4 years

well keswick is a team we hadnt beat the past three years. But we beat them this year twice under our new coach!!

well im not a former coach, nor a parent, nor a player...nice try though

Big up to NCS Hata's
It is obvious Cotey is a NCS Hater.
Cotey your a grown man get over yourself, your as bad as a high schooler
Also Madasz was a great Basketball coach if you look @ our schedule you can see that NCS bball teams record improved as the season progressed. Im sick of all the hating going on at Northside. Grow up people. Act like adults. And parents blasting Madasz get over yourselfs just because your kids are unathletic and can't play the sport oof basketball does not mean you have to blame him. Your kids SUCK, blame your hereditary genes

Besides, GOD told her to do it. Doesn't it bother anyone that she absolves herself of any responsibility by hiding behind GOD’s will?

Will GOD tell the new coach when to blitz?

[I do what i do]

God will do what he do

[We do what we do]

amen 6:43 cotey u need to get off ur fat but and do something athletic other than blast NCS!

I don't think he blasted NCS, I think he blasted the NCS administration

way to be clever 6:55

[NCS B ball player FB player and student]

Madasz has done nothing but the best for NCS BASKTBALL!!!!!!

who is cotey?

nvm i know who cotey is now... haha the dude who wrote the article today. gotcha

KCS did have a wonderful record last year, but their coaching staff and football team was extremely rude to the NCS families and football team at last years game. They wouldn't take the field when they were suppose to, trying to be the home field team when it was NCS's senior night at home! How rude, wouldn't go there if we were paid, not very christian like if you ask me.

In the know is bitter about something
!!!!!!!

7:17 oh yeah i remember that! that was horrible. I was in shock.

I think there are a lot of bitter parents at NCS who haven't been able to buy their way to whatever scholastic happiness they envisioned for their child. That's really too bad, because it does not help their kid learn to deal with whatever life hands out, both good AND bad.

[Mustang Fan]

NCS B ball & FB player Yes...u did play for a district championship ( lost ) and got beat badly in the next round. What u didn't disclose is that your district was changed and Tampa Prep and Indian Rocks were not in your district this year. If they were u wouldn't of played for a district championship and advanced. IRC beat u twice and Tampa Prep had one of the best teams in the area. 12 - 16 with 5 wins coming from three schools that didn't have ten wins among them. U may have liked this coach better BUT the results weren't any better than last year. If u r going to go on here to state your case, please use all the facts. It only makes u look foolish when u don't.

[In the Know]

7:21 Since when is stating the facts as you know them make you bitter. Maybe you can enlighten me and tell me where my facts are incorrect.

[In the Know]

NCS B ball and FB player I do not have a child on the bball team or have a personal problem with your coach. I was divulging what I know and how your headmaster is trying to run your school. I follow athletics at NCS so I can speak of whats happening in that area. As for you, you may have enjoyed this bball season better than last year, but that doesn't mean the team had a better season. I attended a couple of home games and had to leave at end of first quarter because you were beating up on teams ( Genesis Prep comes to mind )by 20 points. So in the future, the lesson learned may be...know the facts before you jump in and defend a person or a position. If not, it looks like you have an agenda! Maybe in your eyes personal success (gain) is more important than the team. Thus your view on why this year was 110 times better than last year. In reality you lost more games than last year when you take those five cupcake wins away and add the likes of Tampa Prep.

So back to my original point...why fire Dare at 7-3 and keep new bball coach at 12-16 ( really 7-21 ). Hidden Agendas!

6:43

Obviously you are clueless!!!

i agree with 6;43

Cotey is a jerk and is doing nothing but trying to bring NCS down because of the Christian in the name. its a target for the school to catch crap

I'm not a fan of Cotey...he HATES PRIVATE schools period. In this case however ALL THE BLAME goes to the NCS Administation. It started by the mishandling of this situation FROM DAY ONE and quickly evolved into this massive PR mess!

I agree with 8;19 but lets just forget about the whole situation at NCS and move on... its over

[concerned parent]

Cotey is just doing his job. NCS administration, pastor, deacon board, and school board are to blame. They obviously didn't have the wisdom to handle this correctly and have still not put "checks and balances" in place so it doesn't happen again.

[Another concerned parent]

Amen 8:58...it's time for them to get wise and ask for her resignation.

Right or wrong, Brandes has damaged her position and authority and she needs to step down. You see it all the time, for example, in a Presidents cabinet when someone screws up they eventually resign so not to damage the President. In this instance, if Brandes really loved the school she would do whats right so the healing can begin.

Will she do the right and Christian thing or will her ego continue to drive her. What do you say Pastor Kroll? Someone needs to step up!

The Times report fairly? Oh my gosh, that's truly funny!! The Times couldn't turn out an unbiased article if they were guaranteed first knowledge of the next President!

To in the know and mustang fan if u wanna know facts yees we may not have beat indian rocks but we were in the game and it came down to a last second shot and i dont think we were ever thatt close to beating the three years before... its not our fault tampa prep was taken out of our district. and yess we did get beat pretty bad by the the team that made it to the state final 4 in lakeland and lost to the eventual state champions by only a couple points. we may have had a couple of easy wins but the three years before with coach haines we had just as easy teams and did we beat them NO...... oh and please dont attack me with personal gain and thats why i think it was 110 times better cause i loved my teammates. The team did gain from him being coach !! I can remember there being a junior senior controversy the year before that split the team did haines step in and do what was best for the TEAM .... No

Mustang Fan idk what kinda fan are u cause if u followed mustang basketball at all u would know that Madasz is doing a great job and is deff on his way to bigger and better things with mustang b- ball!! it saddens me that ur apart of the NCS and u call urself a fan of the team. im proud to wear mustang across my jersey but hate to have a fan like u!

to in the know are u a parent coach or teacher??????

9:07 If Brandes wouldn't hide under her desk maybe she could have been quoted in the St. Pete Times article.

If you believe what the Times reports, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You people need to move on with your lives and quit harassing a good woman who had the guts to make a difficult decision. 9:06, your comment is just ridiculous! Healing won't begin while there are vicious people whining about how they didn't get their way. You parents need to stop gossiping. THAT'S the Christian thing to do. Do you want to fire everyone who has ever offended you or whos decision you disagree with? Who the heck do you think you are? The only perfect person alive? Were you there in the performance review conversations? If not, then be quiet. 1) You DON'T have the facts, and 2) any facts you THINK you know are more than likely inaccurate.

9:19, even if Mrs. Brandes had provided a comment, the Time would not have quoted it correctly. Bits and pieces would have been twisted to suit their purpose. Much like the conversations in this forum.

9:12 U lost at IRC by 15 or more Tampa Prep was on schedule but removed for cupcake teams U did not play Genesis, Acad. of the Lakes (2), and Citrus Park (2), only once. U did not play Cambridge or Seffner this year, they beat u last year

I agree last years coach had personnel issues and didn't handle them properly.But u still haven't explained how this years team was an improvement.

What team had better talent?

[defender]

To 7:17 I'm a KCS parent and not a big fan of Dare. He does seem to have gotten the shaft from NCS. However... it was his antics on Senior night that caused all the fuss. He loves the drama when he's the focus!!! KCS was waiting til after senior night was finished as pre arranged. BTY .... your announcer is horrible. I've never heard such a biased unprofessional. Heard him at 2 games last year. Yuck!

[By the Way Mustangs wear Red & Blue]

hey mustang fan u sure ur teams colors doesnt carry a hint of green in them?
way to be a TRUE fan
spoken like true haters no one can ever be proud of a team for even making it to the playoffs everyone has to be upset, tell me where was ircs @ when ncs was in the district championship or the playoffs? try sitting @ home, yeah they had a tougher district calvary and t-prep, but thats how the card fell too bad it happened that way. the new districts have pros and cons for ever team boys & girls
oo well...
Karma

cambrige = garbage

even D-1 schools play cupcakes in order to prepare for the season u idiot good arguement
not..
look @ the 2 tourney"s ncs was in and the teams they played
wat bout CCC, Sarasota chr.? oh maybe riveridge, cardnial mooney, ferdendina beach, west nassau, calvary, hmmmmmmmm where is ur list?
just 1 school t-prep?
wow impressive

[9:06]

Thank you 9:19. You make my case. Dare was fired because he wasn't a "yes" man.

There was no performance review because there is no documentation. Sounds good though. You're fired for poor performance but we have no paper trail to provide you!

Lastly, you sound so convincing by making a statement and ending it with more than likely. Stop drinking the "koolaid"

9:40 There u go again. Trying to defend something with out all the facts. You were originally scheduled to play one of the tournaments at the mighty Acad. of the Lakes. They canceled tournament because they have trouble fielding a team and u scramble to get into Bradenton Tourney. Just think, u could of had a couple more victories if that didn't happen. Stick with the facts please.

[bball fan]

9:40 Ask Donovan about cupcake schedules. That's why the Gators weren't really considered for the NCAA Tourney this year. Poor non-conference scheduling ( cup cakes ) not a good thing.

i will 3 yrs under Hains = 14 wins
1 yr under Madasz = 12
playoff appearances under Haines = 0
Playoff appearance under Madasz = 1
Year Hains was Coach = 3
Years Madasz was Coach = now which is more impressive?
true ncs was scheduled for that, but we didnt play it it, so wouldnt the facts be that ncs played in the bradenton chr. tourney? wow uhm yeah i think that is a FACT ncs played in it so thanks there was no fiction there

alets look @ the previous 2 years with the Gators cupcakes in 06 and 07 and wait did they win the National Championship. WHOA! they did... holy cow

u think u are bteer equipped for the job?

9:48
you sounds like a bitter candidate who wa turned down from the coaching job @ NCS

where r u @ with ur FACTS now buddy

Hey 9:19 were YOU at the 'performance review"? What are you talking about? There was NO performance review! Coach Dare was given an administrative job by Mrs. Brandes last year and Mrs. Brandes wrote him a really great letter about how he is the best person for the job because of his integrity and wisdom and on and on she went. Who said it was a performance issue? This all started with Mrs. brandes wanting Coach Dare to 'concentrate on being the dean' and stop coaching. It was never a performance issue until she had to start making up reasons to cover up for her not wanting him to be the coach.

10:02 makes the most sense

9:52 is more than likely Madasz himself trying to defend himself!

[10:04]

or his players

9:52 U miss point again. Never said or tried to defend previous coach. Though the truth is first couple years under Haines no talent. Last year under Haines 9 wins. This year 7 taking into consideration adjusted schedule. Now what are you trying to convince me of? Still waiting on answer on what team had more talent? 9:55 Not bitter candidate just stating the facts so people can form their own opinion based on all the info.

Is it that difficult or am I speaking a foreign language. Your opinion or my opinion doesn't change the facts. Its really that simple.

Hey 9:40 why do you say Cambridge=garbage? Did they not beat you last year?

No 9:55 sounds more like Madasz

God should have told him to throw the ball more!

[Juan "100 More Years!" McCain]

Dear 9:19, stop trying to bully people into submission. We are entitled to our opinions even if they offend you. I love the audacity to ask who we think we are, well, as NCS parents, we pay the bills! We are the customers! We and our children are the reason for the schools existence! That is who we are and the administration had better learn to start listening so the repeated incidents of seemingly incompetence stops repeating.

The facts are that the administration wanted Bob Dare to leave. They are just too stupid to have done it in a professional way. They posted an ad for his job without telling him of the plans. How unprofessional and non-Christ-like is that? Bob is a big boy and I am sure if Mary had just discussed with him that the school desires to go a different direction and given him (and his family) the respect that they were due after 21 years of service, this would all be a moot point. Bob might not have like it or agreed with it, but the outrage that has steamed from the horrible handling (and following decisions) would have been much less if at all.

Christians are not infallible BUT the word of God is so please stop saying that any of this is God's will. It is not. What it is, is a bunch of people who clearly are not capable, trained or equiped to handle the operation of NCS. By continuing to run such a laughable organization, we do nothing but bring criticism to Christianity and the church.

[NCS FAN]

As a outsider i saw many improvements in the basketball program. I saw players develop and skill improve. That team got stronger and stronger as the season went on.I just wished madasz had been there sooner. I enjoyed watching them play this year. Madasz has got has that program going in the right direction. He is a great coach.

11:01 NCS Fan. Can you please elaborate on your opinion? And although it is just that, an opinion, please keep it based on the truth and facts.

9:34: The announcements for Sr. night had already been done, the announcer (whether you like him or not) told your team to take the field. They waited, told again, waited, told again, refused! Regardless of what they were "told" still looked bad for your school.

Juan is correct...then to make things worse...the administration shows further ignorance and incompetance by hiring Dobson, a 3 year head coach to replace Dare, who has a 12-17-1 LOSING record, NEVER had a winning season, and got FIRED from his last job in January...WOW! Whoever made That decision needs a PINK SLIP!

[bball fan]

I concur with NCS fan-I have no idea about the Dare situation, but they had to make a change in basketball. The former coach drove everyone (not just parents or players) crazy with untimely substitutions and lack of development among the younger players. The team can't help it's district schedule, but it was evident to the "more than casual" observer the team went in the right direction this year compared to the past 3. Of course, I have no idea if Haines was a good teacher or not, but maybe that had some impact as well.

Not really sure why KCS fan is adding to this-shouldn't you be spending your time worrying about FHSAA checking into those tuition records of some of your team? SP Catholic isn't the only team around here.

please kcs just because football was your ONLY good season does not mean you need to keep throwing that into the blog when everone is talking about basketball
11:35 you were up too late go to bed and think about what you just posted, look @ the imporvements and see how the boys program grew as the season went on, i dont know who u think u are or what facts you have to go off of, you are just making yourself loook foolish like Cotey

10:10 you seem to be mistaken on what team had more talent. last yrs ncs team won 9 games with the help of 4 juniors the same kids who started this year and won 12 over the course of 2 yrs these four kids won 21 games compared to the three years it took the to win 14 ( or you can say over their first two yrs they won 4 with better talent right?)
also sneak a peak at the schedule for the previous 3 yrs under Haines, its just as simple with the exception of his first year which was made under the previous coach, just as easy with less wins to show,
PS Haines made the schedule before he was dissmissed , not Madasz FACT

[Former NC player]

AMEN to 9:25. Someone must be a bitter parent or think they should have been hired for the job.

Do any of the other quality teams in the county sit around all summer and do nothing? Last summer Madasz actually put the NCS team in a league (wow, what a concept...oh yeah, it worked for Dave B and Chip M when they were there too). Haines had the opportunity and passed on it. Just one of many improvements I saw.

Is this blog about a football coach or basketball??? Please read the title of the blog before posting!

[Neutral observer]

After reading all these comments about the basketball program I just had to put my two cents in. I don't think anyone was supporting or saying Haines was a good coach. His record speaks for itself. As for Madasz, the talent he had this year was better than last years team but there was no improvement in the results. So the big question is are you Madasz supporters ok with mediocrity when this years team was positioned to do much better. As for 9:20 AM's comments he does state an opinion ( which we all have ), but again does not give any examples of how the program was improved. You cannot compare Haines first season after Chip left because anyone from that team that had any talent left when the coach did.So to be fair to all parties, last years team and results should be used with this years team and results.

At end of the day, similar results with a weaker schedule/district set up. Not saying Madasz had any control over district shake up, but did alter schedule and got similar results like prior year.

Yet ANOTHER post about NOTHING to do with this blog...ARG! slow learners!

Will NSC compete for a playoff spot this year in football under the new coach?

11:20 NO

10:17 It's about NCS and its administration's decisions.

Here is your proof how the team got better
PLAYOFF APPEARANCE

YAHHHHHHHH TRICK YAHHHHHH
GET OUT MY FACE
GET OUT MY FACE

12:23 Please reference Mustang Fan. Nice try though!

12:23 Please reference Mustang Fan. Nice try though!

You little rich brats need to get a life. You go to a Christian school. Haven't you learned anything about Christ's love and forgiveness? What about grace? How about showing it to someone who you "think" did wrong against you. Oh, and why not go to a real school in a real class division and then we'll talk. If you ever are unfortunate enough to not be under mommy and daddy's money then you might see what the real world is like and that there is more to fight for in life than your stupid football program. Grow up already!!!!

[Player]

March 18, 9:06 Who jumped shipped at KCS moron? Not one, so stay with the facts of NCS

[Player]

March 23, 7:17
Let's see you say KCS fans and team rude. Give a reason. You say we did not take the field. How about you get your act togather and let someone know what is going on and get a sound system that people can hear. You go on the fact that KCS is rude, because you got you butts handed to you on the field. No one was being rude, check it out with Big DARE he will tell you exactly what went down on the field that night. It was his fault and the organizations fault. So, don't blame KCS for you disorganization.

KCS fan-your boy Curtis is now at Dixie. Is that jumping ship?

6:26 why don't you get your facts straight...yall couldn't hear our annoucer are you kidding? he is sooo loud & annoying how could you not hear him...that a joke? 2nd it wasn't dares fault yall didn't take the field he was even motion you go 1st & was yelling & even began to run out on field to tell yall to take field.

[Observer]

What Keswick did at NCS before the football game was a disgrace. They were cocky bastards. I made sure I went to the playoff game they had at home just to watch them go down. It was great watching the expressions on their parents faces when the LOST. Pride comes before a fall. Better check Sanson's recuiting record FHSAA.

[More Observant Than 4:57]

Dear Blind Observer,
Ask Dare what happened before the game. He knows and should fill you in on the FACTS. I am pretty sure the band was playing while the obnoxious announcer was telling them to come out on the field. They could not hear. They were not even paying attention, since it is customary to take the field AFTER the coin toss (which had not happened.)

As to the recruiting allegation: Of the 18 starters (4 start both ways), 9 came in Kindergarten, 1st or 2nd grade. 5 others came in 6th or 7th. The other 4 who came in 9th or 10th grade either went to a school that closed down or only went through 8th grade. Which one of those was recruited? Do you mean to say that those KCS coaches are so good at spotting talent that they recruited them in Kindergarten? That's a hoot!

Now, go back to discussing the changes at Northside and leave KCS out of it. You obviously don't observe very well.

More observant-how much tuition did those kids pay who transfered in? Hmm....I know them from elementary and MS days and I wonder......and how much did the one pay who transfered out at mid-term??? Hmmmmm. You don't have to recruit them when they are already in HS you know. Just for the record, Lastings came to NC in middle school also, but NC still got in trouble over him

I do not know what they paid. I am not sure what the tuition payments have to do with "Sanson's recruiting record." KCS does not recruit. Period! You do not know otherwise. You are just suspicious. And to be honest, if KCS had lost to Northside, this discussion would not be happening.

I feel sorry for Coach Dare, I think he got a raw deal and is a very good coach.
As for KCS and tuition not an issue they loose players because no one pays their tuition, so there is your answer to a "player jumping ship". As for the Senior Night issue I know the coaches apologized to Coach Dare, and said they didn't hear nor did they know they were to come out at that time. To be honest they probably would have gotten in trouble for coming on when the band was still on the field. Sometimes you just can't please people. We will continue to pray for NCS and for the Dares.

[coach dub]

KCS was being rude! They were told to take the field first, by coach Dare to Sanson! I thought it spiced things up a bit. Was it rude? YES,but who care,it's a part of football. And football is not nice sport. KCS should not have to apologize for their actions. Again, it's football. You should never say or have to say you are sorry for kicking someone's butt. Just remember we will be playing at KCS next season!! Stabd Firm

I am have been reading these blogs and I am trying to figure out how Keswick got drawn into this thing, isn't this about Northside firing a good coach and hiring somebody that is not proven?
Forget about what happened last year and move on to next year.
By the way Coach Dare never told any coach including Sanson to run on the field when the band was on the field. If he had they would have done so. I was there with the officials and know that he never instructed them to come on the field before NCS.

[Mustang Fan ( with eyes open )]

To NCS Fan 3/23 11:01 & Drew: Basketball team did not finish strong! 4 - 8 record last 12 games including playoffs. Check NCS website and Times website for schedule/record. Don't try to defend something that you can't back up with facts. Drew talk to some of your senior team mates about how "great" they thought your season was! You may love them, but you are obviously on a different page than them.

haha i'm pretty positive that it is everyones football knowledge that the visiting team takes the field first. and coach dare got fired up and sprinted to the opposite side of the field yelling for keswick to take the field and shortly after they did so. the man who listed himself as coach dub was the assistant coach at the time for northside and coach dares longtime counter-part, so if anyone knows whether he told them to take the field or not, its coach dub.

[More Observant Than 4:57]

Do ya'll always take the field without your captains, since they are on the sideline waiting for the coin toss? You are being ridiculous. KCS happily takes the field first at EVERY away game. But not before the coin toss.

Coach Dub knows then that the NCS coaches did not speak to the KCS coaches before the game. The only communication was Coach Dare running on the field flailing like a fool!

IRCS football 2008= 14-0

[Ashley]

All of you need to grow up, get a life, and quit acting like you all know the details and ins and outs of what went on. Typical egotistical men sitting around acting like they know everything. If any of you claim to be Christians, then shame on you for judging Raul, NCS, or the new coach. I am guessing that you are all perfect, know all the details of why the previous guy was fired, and like to judge and bash a man you have never met. If you have sons, your concern shoud be for a coach who will positively affect them for a bigger purpose, not just for wins and losses. Grow up, act like Godly men, and like the Bible says, Dont look at the splinter in your neighbors eye when you have a plank in your own. Unless, of course you are all perfect and experts on what should be done at NCS.

3:08 - Cannigeddan Amen? A-M-E-N!!!!

[Juan "Tequilla for me!" McCain]

Ashley, if Dobson (the new coach) is such a positive influence on young people, why was he fired from his last job at a Christian school? Or maybe the folks there aren't "Christian" enough either...

Maybe we do know the details of what went on behind the scenes! How does that make us egotistical?

So according to your beliefs, only God can critique and criticize? How convenient for Christian organizations if all their followers think like you! (Since I've already been called racist, why not throw in misogynist also since I disagree with your dimestore theology?)

your leaders at northside are as bad as the parents, you ran out 2 great coaches
God Bless Dave Bintz he was the best coach ever at you misguided school
God Bless Cavalry Christian

thats how much you know, if you do your homework you will find that Bintz was run out by Bob and guess what Bintz isnt doing to bad. Getting fired is not the worst thing in the world. Coach Dare will be fine

[W]

You're right, getting fired must not be the worst thing in the world, Dobson was fired and now is the head coach at NCS.

any word on the new coaching staff

Azalea Little League Coaches

Hey Juan, you're a misogynist...Well, you did ask for it. And I SERIOUSLY doubt that theology is your forte'.

so 6:56 your saying that it is all KARMA for Dare since he ran out Bintz?

[Friend of Juan]

Actually Juan is Baptist...he just tells it like it is...can't handle it???

Oh boy...a Baptist...now we're going to throw denomination into this? What next, he's Irish too?

Sorry F of J. Before that post at least you make decent comments. That last thing you said was ignorant.

[Friend of Juan]

8:54 Although true...that statement was said with tongue-in-cheek with a touch of sarcastic humor...People on this blog (for the most part) can't handle Juan's up-front approach...PS: He's not Irish! :>)

Juan's up-front approach? Gimme a break. People like Juan say the things they do on purpose to get people fired up cuz' they like the discord it creates. Juan is probably having a good ole' time every time he posts, because he's anticipating how many times people will respond to his button pushing.

Juan's up-front approach? Gimme a break. People like Juan say the things they do on purpose to get people fired up cuz' they like the discord it creates. Juan is probably having a good ole' time every time he posts, because he's anticipating how many times people will respond to his button pushing.

6:56 I agree that getting fired isn't the worst thing in the world, not given a reason is!!! Told you could make a decision between the dean job and the football job, then when decision is made told that no longer is an option not a good thing! Lies, deceit, hidden agendas...do I need to go on!

[Juan "Roadside oranges!" McCain]

Looks like somebody is flexing the mental muscle they've aquired earning a psychology degree from Mailorder University!

I don't enjoy creating discord but I do think it is important that NCS, a so-called Christian organization, be called onto the carpet for the way it has conducted its business. To quote 11:58 since they have it right, "Lies, deceit, and hidden agendas."

It is important that the administration of the school (and church) understand that they are the ones who have created the discord and have yet to follow through with act of contrition.

The hiring of coach Dobson is an act of gross incompetence. He was not the best qualified, he exagerated his accomplishments and brings little to the overall mission of educating our kids.

The way the Dare family was dismissed from NCS was unthinkable! Even secular business environments would have treated their people better! If that is how NCS treats a family who has dedicated over 20 years to the school, every faculty and staff member there should consider what that means for their futures! I should not be alone in my outrage (and I know that I am not)!

[Friend of Juan]

11:10 with NCS administration maybe more "button pushing" would get them to act more professional in the fire-hire process....oh! that's right..."it was God's will!"....

I am still curious how Juan knows there were more qualified applicants. It seems that only about 2 people should have been looking at resume's unless someone was hacking into the email system.

[W]

Maybe God told him. If He can tell Mary who to hire, He could have talked to Juan too.

[Friend of Juan]

W : That was a good post! Seriously though...all that I can share is that Juan has inside info...he's telling the truth!

Seriously, this sounds like a breach of privacy to me. I doubt Mr. Hernandez is saying this stuff about himself, so someone has done a security breach. No wonder Juan won't reveal himself, because he may get in trouble

Hey You're not calling anyone onto the carpet. Do you really think you're making a difference out here in blog world??? Nope...those who are leaving are leaving, those who are staying (far more than leaving by the way) are staying. End of story. I know that you're disappointed, being president of Mailorder University and all, but unfortunatly for you, that's all you have. What's your degree in anyway, snappy one-liners???

[Friend of Juan]

10:24, You watch WWWWAAAAYYY too many James Bond movies! LOL!

With spring football a week away...who are the assistant coaches??

[Juan "Mi casa, Su casa" McCain]

Oh my! Wait until the list of new NCS assistant coaches goes public! SPC has found its predecessor!

Thanks Dobson, you're going to make us the brunt of every private school joke!

Little league coaches, who want to bring there players with them. Can you see fhsaa sanctions in the near future?

[Friend of Juan]

No...not little league coaches....MUCH MORE controversial than that!

Just an FYI-Willmington is still coaching at NC, so not all are little league coaches I guess. I heard he hired 2 from Gibbs too.

What is Wilmington in NC?

And what other CONTROVERSY are we talking about?

[Politically Correct]

It is about to get much more "diverse" at NCS if you know what I mean...

What is wrong with diverse? Are you implying that NC should be for white kids only? That is why the thinking around Pinellas county is that NC hates black students-because of comments like that. If you want to find out, go to Keswick and ask a few of their black athletes who went there instead of NC

Nothing wrong with being more diverse...as long as you do it LEGALLY!

For a school to go from almost no diversity to a 500-600% increase as soon as a new coach hits the scene, I would think that should raise some SERIOUS questions and objections!!!

500-600% increase? Let's see, 2 african american's are graduating, so that means there is 1, so 600% increse is up to 5 or 6 for next year? Why would THAT raise objections. Are you saying African American kids SHOULD NOT go to NCS. Are they not Christian enough? What exactly are you implying 3:42? Just because a black kid goes to NC that means they are illegal? Winky Wright shouldn't have sent his daughter because he can't afford it or because she is black? I am just wondering what objections you see in that.

1:36-if you are implying that NC SHOULD NOT be diverse, then maybe you should go back and read your Bible. I have a hard time beleiving Jesus would not love someone just because of their ethnic background

Maybe 1:36 is just one of those ELITIST that we keep hearing about. Only rich white kids DESERVE to go to Northside.

Seffner Christian starting football?

Seffner will be the place to be in 2 or 3 years. I can't wait till they come to Pinellas to play some football Hillsborough style

Coach Dare to Seffner?

I come back a few weeks later only to find you haven't moved on. Still whining about Dare getting fired. What, is he your brother or something. It seems like he's moved on, but some of you can't. You do realize that people get hired and fired all the time! It happens, especially in the world of coaching. It isn't always because someone was bad at what they did. Sometimes it is just time for a change. Being sarcastic in the way that you talk "God's will" is going to far. Again, you cannot claim to know every detail so quit acting like you do. So, you think you might have some inside scoop. Well, good for you, you still don't know all the details of why Dobson was fired or why Dare was. Try doing something constructive with all this free time you have. Like thinking what you can do to help out the program or the new coach instead of throwing in your, once again, negative and ignornant comments about a man who deserves a chance, and a good school (yes, they may have problems, but no school is perfect). I won't even touch on the race