How would you cut the Pinellas budget?

Pinellas superintendent Julie Janssen is asking the district’s employees for ideas on how they would help cut $63 million to $68 million from next year’s budget. In an online survey this week, the superintendent also invites employees to weigh in on ideas already being considered, including:

• Layoffs
• Furloughs
• Pay cuts
• Reduction or elimination of some extracurriculars.
• Lower pay for employees who return after retiring.
• Reduced health insurance.
• Cutbacks on textbooks.

Janssen took the idea from Hillsborough superintendent MaryEllen Elia, who recently surveyed her employees. Janssen approached Pinellas employees in a letter Tuesday. In the same spirit, the Gradebook hereby solicits ideas from school system employees and other members of the public. Weigh in below and let the discussion begin.

NOTE: Visit our special Web site on the budget cutting process so far. It includes helpful links such as presentations and budget documents.

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Comments

[Dale Lissner]

Nationwide the 6500 PSAP's (911 centers) have gravitated to overstaff in the administrative personnel area.
Pinellas Emergency 911 Communications is no different. Their ratio of very hi paid (by national standards) administrators to low paid dispatchers is 1 to 2.5. First roll out those parties who deliberately sank the Pinellas 911 button guard Pilot. This was a $20,000 experiment to purchase (tax payers funds) 30,000 cell phone "peel and stick" rubber 0 rings to apply to the cell phones which auto dialed 9-1-1 when accidently hit the "9" button it called the Pinellas Center dispatchers. The program was so successful in 8 weeks that they abtuptly cancelled the program. Why? Because it worked! it reduced the accidental calls by 28% and climbing. Panic among both Pinellas administrators as well as their 6500 other centers nationwide. You see folks their budgets are based on the number of 911 calls and they were accustomed to crying wolf to the press as the accidental 911 calls rose and now requested more....you guessed it... Overtime$$$ and more staff !!! The 2 persons who coordinated the shut down of this "life saving program" are Mr.Williams dir. and Mrs. Buck their "9-1-1 public educator". Want to read some hard facts ? go to www.stopaccidentalcalls.com and hit Pinellas Missuse and Abuse of the Pilot and "in the news" all about the nationwide conspiracy to halt this U.S. and Canadian Patent from its national use.

Talk it up...the truth is easy.

Respectfully, Dale Lissner Pres. SACC a non-profit Oregon corp.

[Todd]

A great way to save money is on employee benefit costs and specifically healthcare costs.

The school board should encourage their benefit plan to change to place incentives for traveling overseas for medically necessary surgeries such as joint replacements, heart bypasses, hysterectomies and spinal surgeries.

You've heard of medical tourism and the savings are real! Just one patient going overseas for hip replacement could save the school board/state $40,000.

Wow, what a concept. Look at all that you could do with that money.

Medical outsourcing is the way of the future! Awesome stuff.

[Vivian]

Here's the most logical and sensible way to cut the budget:

(1) DO NOT re-hire 1st year annual contract teachers.
(2) Eliminate double-dipping.

In the late 80's,when there were massive lay-offs; about 504 teachers were pink-slipped. I was one of them.
God bless the souls of Jade Moore and Betty Shields who fought for the union members of that group of 504 teachers. ALL union members got their jobs back. The non-members were 'out of luck'!

[Criminal]

Mr. Tobin, has anyone asked where the money is coming from to re-fingerprint 100% of the PCSB staff. I realize safety is very important. However the last i checked, my fingerprints have not (or will not change) in the past 15 years when I was hired and printed. How much is this costing the Taj to outsource this service? Doesn't each and every middle and high school have a qualified SRO that can do this for free? I realize this was another boneheaded legislative decision, but did the Legislation require PCSB to pay a outside company perhaps thousands or millions of dollars to reprint the 35 year veteran teacher(aprox age 57) who has never had a parking ticket in her life, let alone any other crime. One final comment, WASTE.

[John]

OK... Now that many have expressed our thoughts, I think it is time to push for Janssen to resign and for us to demand to the board that we get more for our money. If she refuses to step aside and the board will not remove her, we need to remind the board who they work for… If the board still does not act, WE NEED TO VOTE THEM OUT during the next election cycle.

Don’t forget to remind our other city, county, state and federal elected officials who they work for as well… They are employees of the people aren’t they? They can be fired just like anyone else but through our VOTES.

These people work for us and this goes further than the Pinellas schools

[Sportman]

I read in the paper today that High schools are not being affected by requiring students to attend the school their home is Zoned for Why not?
High school students are criss crossing the county to attend a school they want. Everone should be required to attend the high school closet to their home unless a magnet program is involved. The saving in transportation cost would be tremendous! I know students who do from the countryside area to Osceola and from seminole to Dunedin, Countryside this is not effecient! A tremendous savings in payroll, fuel, and overall cost would result in the reduction of routes, yes jobs would be lost but in these time hard sacrifices have to be make for the overall good of the system. If not addressed now the problem will have to be handled next year why not get everything done in one swift more saving millions NOW! I agree with a post that stated if taxpayers knew the actual cost of all this unnecssary busing transportation with and the added employees, fuel costs, extra vechiles that could be sold off they would be ready to impeach the school board. I how they have the courage to address this very obivious issue once in for all or risk the wrath of the Taxpayer!

[Flash]

Most of the school board are not qualified and are overpaid! Wilcox was a poor choice and Jansen is even worse! There are a lot of qualified people out there why not get someone who can solve problems and as one person posted it is not difficult to see what the problem is in Pinellas County Schools. Start first in the transportation system I agree millions a year can be saved. Get and independent source to audit the books of PCS and I bet the findings would be eye opening!

[cisco]

The Pinellas county school system is full of fat cats making a lot of money. many jobs could be eliminated and I would eliminate the retirement benifits for a lot of people who do nothing. I have seen school buses with 2 or three students going acrosses the county how can this be justified? Require students to attend the school they are zoned for the eliminination of bus routes, drivers, fuel and seling of the unsed buses would be in the millions a year. It does not reqiure a PhD to figure out what the problem with Pinellas county schools really is A lot of excess employess and expenses that could be easily eliminated. Yes jobs would be lost esoicall the bus drivers who are not paid much but also eliminate a lot of high paid transportaion people and you have all the savings needed!

[strongbow]

get rid of the school board they are overpaid and do nothing Jansen is a JOKE!she could not manage her own finances let alone a school district! plus the school transportation system is a mess need to get risd of a lot of people and having students attend the school they are zoned for would save MILLIONS an year!

[ironman]

An internal audit needs to be performed by an independent auditoron the Pinellas county schools system. It is very obivious there is a lot of mismanagement and waste. when we went to the choice system how many new buses were bought? How much is spent on fuel? How much administration and fat can be eliminate by requiring students to attend the school their home residence is zoned for. I would guess the savings would be in the 10's of millions per year. How can it be justified to bus students form south county to North county and North to south? especially when there are only a few students on the bus. The elimination of payroll and fuel savings would be great. What about the reduction in bus routes sell the buses not being used due to the reduction in routes!. The transportation system is a mess someone needs to be held accountible and as someone else said there are to many high paid employees thar need to be eliminated!. If the taxpayers knew what the cost of the transportation system actuall was they would be infuriated!

[Jan]

STOP extending DROP for ALL administrators. You already stopped it for teachers, why not for those that make more than twice what teachers do? And STOP ALL rehiring of those from DROP (even your friends). There's plenty within the system to promote.

[Mary]

Quit reacting! Start Acting! Think "revenue streams" to insulate PCS from our State Legislature's fiscal incompetence:

1. Rent the unused space on the PCS TV channel when digital broadcasting goes into effect. Bandwidth is cash.

2. Partner with the Florida Virtual School and deliver middle and high school core courses (reading, writing, math, science, civics) online. Affected teachers will transfer from the PCS payroll to the Florida Virtual School's payroll. And, Florida Virtual School is hiring even in this economy.

3. Leverage the total value of real estate owned by PCS and take out an equity loan with Raymond James. Rename the school system Raymond James Schools.

4. Partner with the County Government and sell mid-term bonds using PCS real estate as collateral and create a PCS Operating Expenses Endowment. Endowment income funds the difference between what comes from the State and the actual operating expenses to be compliant with the class size amendment.

5. Embrace gambling. Partner with Derby Lanes to funnel 0.05% of the revenue it will earn from its new Poker service. This relationship would lead to a promising Center of Excellence - Derby Lanes Gambling and GamIng Services.

[Concerned Citizen]

There is lots of potential for "easy" cuts that can be made.

Start with the consolidation of non-educational functions within Pinellas County Govt.

Why not have one insurance plan for all county employees that may save $$ due to the bargaining power of a larger group? Currently, I understand that we have separate health insurance programs for the County, Sheriff's office, and the School District.

Combine vehicle maintenance depts, purchasing depts, printing, construction, etc. These functions are generic.

Finally, it is time to get tough about employee absenteeism. How many teachers abuse the sick leave policy and have little/no sick leave at the end of the year? Most absent teachers require that a substitute be hired for each absent day. Better management of the sick leave policy would reduce the cost of substitute teachers.

[Secretary]

So many people, including some working in the district, are so misinformed. DROP can not be eliminated. It is in place through legislation, not the school system. Once a person joins DROP, they are costing the district less money and must retire within 5 years.

As I am reading these comments, the thought that PCS's insurance plan could be combined with another large business such as Pinellas County Sheriff's office to negotiate more savings since it would be for a larger group of people. The district should give the same amount of money to all employees for insurance. As it is now, people with a two person or family plan are receiving a higher contribution than those with a single plan. If the district cut 12 month employees to 11 months. They would save 1 month pay for each employee plus vacation pay. Other than custodial staff to do intensive cleaning and maintenance during the summer, other staff do not need to be on duty. The system could rotate the schedule so that departments at the adm. bldg. are covered year round. Do away with bussing unless a child has an IEP stop, which is abused many times, or the child lives 2 miles or more from the school. With close to home schools, we would need very few busses. That would cut gas costs, insurance, and salaries. We do have too many supervisors at the administrative level. Some of these jobs could be combines. Because of the hiring freeze, we have all had to assume more responsibilities yet we still survive. Leave these positions unfilled. Apparantly, we are not suffering that much from the vacancy. Give all employees across the board a 1 or 2 day furlough. It is not that much of a loss. It should be equal across the board. All schools were to come up with a position that they would give up if they had to. Take that position. In times of crisis, those employees who are working with the students everyday in the schools will pull together to make sure our students succeed. In defense of Julie Janssen, she did not create these problems, she inherited them. Most of these problems have resulted from our government. They created the NCLB but didn't fund it. They came up with the idea of vouchers which has taken students away from our system and is paying private schools to teach these students. These students are not necessarily getting a better education. As the state and federal governments are cutting their budgets, have you noticed that they are getting some of their pet projects approved but taking from education. Education should be at the top of their lists for funding as these students in school now will be our future leaders. Do we not want them to have a good education? We do need to do some cutting in the school system be we also need to let our legislators know that we need to be funded adequately.

[retiredteacher]

Hey John, cut legislators' salaries by 50% at least! They got us into this mess.

[ALK]

Outside of academia, most salaried "executives" and "administrators" work long days, nights, weekends and, more often than not, six day work weeks on regular bases. Yet, time and again the PCS District Office Building remains empty; Janssen and her "team" are nowhere to be found outside of 9a-5p and, even then, voice mail rules the operation. Janssen has more "Assistants", "Associates" and "Deputies" than the President of the United States. An outside audit should be executed immediately. 10 hour mandatory work days should be implemented for all salaried employees who work in the District's Administrative Office. Deteriorating properties should be sold as soon as buyers can be found; viable properties should be leased and all inquiries entertained. Charter schools requests to rent school facilities slated for closure were thwarted without written explanation. This kind of inaction is folly.

Janssen proves time and again that she is not qualified to run our District. School Board Members should begin searching for a leader; the job market is flooded with QUALIFIED candidates. We deserve better. Moreover, the PCSB should be reminded that it is a representative body, not an autonomous, dictatorship. Listen to your constituents; you are not putting our children first and we are demanding no less. The PCSB is building a legacy of ashes. Get help immediately -- you are out of your league. Soon, Pinellas County will be ineligible for federal aid because we will not even meet the threshold for assistance. PCSB has a multi-million dollar budget; use OUR money wisely. Look at the "glass as half full", not "half empty" -- these budget cuts were foreseen a long time ago. Further, the public school system is about to become flooded with an influx of more children whose parents previously could afford private school. Please don't feign shock when numbers go up and not down.

Lastly, do not cut our teachers' salaries. They can hardly eek by on the pittance they're working hard to make. And, get rid of DROP -- another disgrace for which we can thank Janssen and the PCSB.

Get rid of all grandfathering.

[Judy]

Leave transportation, maintenance and plant operators alone. Stop the layoffs at the bottom and start at the top. Every year we all take a hit. Why close High Point when Clearwater is smaller. My suggestion? Close Clearwater Compound, move the buses to High Point and use Clearwater's garage for repairs. High Point was just set up a year ago with lights and a big parking lot. Talk about a waste of money! What are you all thinking????

[Keith]

Geez...I don't even live in Fla. and I can tell this is the most unproductive, useless forum for
feedback anyone could imagine. Kill it before more damage is done.
Besides that, if you cannot state you opinion in 150 words....you are just venting. I am glad my kids don't have these people as teachers.

[tax payer]

A four day work week. Not just in the summer either. Make the days a bit longer but only have schools open 4 days. And parents quit whinning about day care on the 5th day. Those places will adapt to a 4 day week because they too are feeling budget crunches.

[Get the Facts]

Many of the proposals on here aren't helpful to a DISTRICT trying to cut funds. The FCAT $$ is spent by the state, to the tune of > $40-million per year. While they eliminated the NRT and the writing multiple choice sections, there is a lot of waste. Ask anyone about the DVDs two years back...

Also, the 2-mile bus limit is state statute, as are the textbook adoption cycles. In most districts, the food service division is already self-supporting, as are the sports programs.

The truth is, most teachers should probably work to contract (since there is no striking), and wait for the public to demand adequate funding. The other thing would be for districts to sue the state for not funding education adequately as required by the constitution.

Until then, most of the district $$ is committed to salaries. When it's time to cut, you really don't have many options....

Get it over with and fire Janssen already! Let's all storm the Taj at the next board meeting and let them know what we think. Doesn't anyone value honesty and ethics in the name of our children?

[teacher]

Now let's get this straight.... the PCSB superintendant knowingly, and willingly violates the districts' teacher contract... then it violates a mandated arbitrators' ruling.... and now it is paying exorbinant costs to fight this? Are you kidding me? Does this Janssen witch have any understanding of ethics, contract law, or what she is doing? And this incompetent bunch of clowns on the school board will probably give Janssen carte blanch to burn the entire district down, as well. What a bunch of inept clowns on the school board working under a stupid, selfish, self-absorbed, and deceitful snake. PCSB, you deserve to crumble. Wonderful example you're setting for the students in the system for which you are responsible. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You make a mockery of education for children and teachers everywhere.

PCSB is hiring an expensive lawyer to fight the contract dispute with the teachers' association. I'd look into this one, Tobin.

The Taj could disappear tomorrow and no one would care.

If you were to eliminate PCSB's need to micromanage teachers through mandating every minute of their day with walk-throughs, mind numbing useless training, meetings, and staff development we could be a long way to fiscal solvency. Sounds like the upper admins need the training moreso.... a little training on ethics, building morale with employees, effective management of people, and budget management would go a long way for the Admins. I think they are the ones who need the micromanagement, not the teachers.... hahahahahaha

[toomuch training and no time to get my job done]

Get rid of all the training that wastes valuable teaching and planning time. Cut all travel, car allowances, and Blackberry accounts for administrators.

It would be one thing if these trainers or "staff developers" would speak proper English. However, most of the time they are forced upon us at a PLC meeting. Many of these trainers have little clue how to communicate, much less to connect with a live audience. They read from a power point script for a solid hour while the teachers' eyes glaze over from boredom and exhaustion. Why not put these trainers back in the classroom? Actually.... my students would then die of boredom or not return to school. Get a clue PCSB.... quit protecting your little Blackberry equipped force of trainers, developers, and administrators.

[elemteacher]

Get rid of the huge training budget and mandatory, redundant trainings for teachers. I get at least 100 emails advertising different trainings each week. Now isn't that just a bit ridiculous for a district who wants to furlough its teachers?

[laughing at that Janssen clown]

Fire Janssen! Should be a big improvement right there... even if the financial picture doesn't improve much. Who wants someone who's so incompetent with her own personal finances (filed for bankruptcy) running a public school district anyways? Isn't that similar to having an alcoholic run a liquor store?

[joeteachinlargo]

Fire Janssen and all her little cronies at the Palace. I'm sure she'll find another golden parachute. If not, she could always file for personal bankruptcy again. Seems to have worked for her the first time around.

[teacher and Jannsen hater]

How about looking at the future costs associated with the law suit between the teacher's association and Jannsen and Co. Who would stir up a costly law suit with district finances already in jeopardy and employee morale at an all time low? Maybe it's time for Jannsen to admit she screwed up and respect the teacher's contract and arbitrator's ruling.

[teacher and parent]

Start at the top. Get rid of the ineffective workers - namely Ron Stone and Jannsen. Then cut from there. These overpaid, insensitive, incompetent beaurocrats could all disappear tomorrow and nothing would change in my classroom.

[teach]

Furlough Taj administrators, supervisors, and staff developers. My students wouldn't miss one of them. Heck, just get rid of all of them. Useless back-seat driving, walk-through micro-managers with no clue. Let them all substitute teach.

Put all administrators and their clerks and secretaries a 10.5 month year.

[pcsb teacher]

Cut out all training and staff developers. Furlough teachers for training days - not preschool days that are necessary to get the school ready for students. Investigate all the layers of administration, clerks, and secretaries at the Taj under the the top tier of assistant and area superintendants and directors. Do an independent audit of the Pinellas Books. I'm sure you'll find lots of useless or redundant positions.

[Inquiring Minds]

I appreciate the call for real-life interviews, but do you guys realize how fear and intimidation and retribution are used in this district?

[Dream of Better Schools]

Alternative View and Mr. Tobin,
I appreciated the information regarding the administrative bloat.
The amount saved by cutting that 5.5 million might not sound like much to you, AV, and it certainly isn't as much as is needed. But think how many teachers that amount of money would keep in the classrooms.
Plus, I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that if one segment of a budget is out-of-whack like that, there's a good chance that other parts are, too. Best bet: audit the books.
Thanks, Mr. Tobin. Many of us do appreciate reports that explain where our tax dollars are going.

[Dream of Better Schools]

Here's something I've wondered about:

The state delayed the PE requirement that was forcing some decisions - although action was taken as if that delay didn't happen.
One of the concerns is the PE/Health requirement in middle schools.
Health is required again in high schools.
I understand PE, and the need to keep kids physically active.
But are there significant differences in 8th grade Health and 10th grade Health? If there are, couldn't the 8th grade stuff be incorporated into 10th grade?

[John]

The survey Julie Janssen sent to employees will not provide the solution she is searching for. It is a ridiculous attempt to try to convince employees that she will listen to our concerns. It is quite obvious that the state and federal laws have earmarked funds for specific projects; however, in light of the current financial distress of the county, the lawmakers should realize that changes need to be made immediately.

In addition, Julie Janssen might be well served to investigate the operations of superintendents in districts larger than Pinellas County and learn how they operate efficiently with fewer administrative employees. Any salary cuts should be done at the administrative level. Reduction of teacher salaries or reduction of support staff should not be an option. Many schools in Pinellas County need all of the support and staff we need to serve the population we teach. Teachers are already overworked, stressed, underpaid and often forced to work in undesirable learning environments. When was the last time the administrative employees have worked daily in the classroom? Do you understand the challenges today's society has brought to many of the schools in Pinellas County? I welcome you to come walk a day in my shoes so you might understand the challenges teachers face in the trenches: lack of parental involvement and support, lack of warm water and soap in the restrooms, lack of heat/air conditioning in classrooms, mold in walls, books and carpets, termites in bookshelves, disruptive behavior and frequent student absenteeism. We can understand when the students show disrespect. It is much more painful when it comes from our leader.

By the way, our leader has control of a multi-million dollar budget, yet could not manage her personal finances as reflected by her 1996 filing of Chapter 7 in the Bankruptcy Court. How can we trust that she can actually control one of our county's most important budgets when she can't control her own finances?

It is hard to get by on a teacher's salary which is far less than her's yet most of us seem to do a better job managing what little money we are given.

[Dream of Better Schools]

Attorney Mom made some good points, but is also missing one. There are discussions now about the use of capital outlay and moving money to different 'columns.' Meanwhile, many in the system will tell you that moving money is done regularly, on a 'where there's a will, there's a hidden way' basis. (Someone ought to check into how some schools/principals hide units and, in doing so, disservice kids.)
The system is delaying textbook adoption right now. So, Attorney Mom, though I appreciate what you are saying, I believe that where there is a will - of the People - there is a way to make cuts from the columns that won't hurt kids.
Don't give the system its own excuses for not making change for the better.
There are plenty in it who are good enough at that.

[statechampso3]

Do away with Drivers Education.The cars cost money, the teacher's cost money. If a student wants to learn how to drive, they can pay for a driving course. Also, High Schools next year are going to a 7 period day. Why are we making students take a total of 28 credits over 4 years? A student onl y needs 24 to graduate. If a student falls behind, they can make it up in virtual school, ELP or Nova Net.

[Secretary]

Many of the suggestions here are being made from "ill-informed" people who have no idea what it takes to run a school system (especially one of our size). 1. Eliminate ESE? Do you even know that the acronym stands for "Exceptional Student Education"? EVERY student has a right to an education by LAW (it can't be cut even if they wanted to). Same with ESOL (English Speakers of Other Languages). 2. FTE is what brings in the state dollars and compiling those stats/figures is a HUGE process. 3. Safe & Drug Free Schools is a GRANT BASED program. It doesn't cost the district a dime to have in place. Lots of other grant based programs in place as well, and people in the ADMINISTRATION BUILDING write/assist in writing grant applications that pull in millions of state & federal dollars. 4. Let schools handle health issues all by themselves? Who do you think instructs the front office staff of proper procedures in dispensing of medications? Would you honestly be okay with a child being over-medicated because logs weren’t kept? Or an aspirin simply handed over to a student because the staff member didn’t know that wasn’t EVER allowed? I could go on but I won’t.

[mark]

Cut the 12 month staff to only work 11 months. Half the time they are finding things to do during the summer months. Also, during the summer the other months have them have a flex schedule with each only working a 4 day week. And still have the school functioning 5 days.

fire julie jansen and ron stone

[The insider]

Moratorium on training:
1. Get rid of all training (mandatory and non)that costs money for a year or two, except for new teachers. A pretty penny is spent to hire specialists to train the already over-trained pinellas county teachers.
instead:
2. Have teachers offer mini-workshops at their schools to share ideas or special techniques. Sometimes a short workshop with a few good ideas goes a longer way than a 6 or 12 hour training.

3. Stop buying expensive technology for a few years. This district has wasted millions on technology and much of it is never used to its fullest potential.

instead:

Find cheaper ways to upgrade programs and make do with "older" computers. Kids don't need the latest and greatest to learn basic skills.
By the time they get into the workforce, it will all change anyway.

4. Reduce or eliminate busing. It would be nice to get rid of all busing.
Make arrangements to use city busses instead as they are underused.

5. If teachers are getting furloughed, so should everyone else who works for PCS.

[CD]

Well whatever they're going to do, I wish they would just get on with it and quit leaving everyone in limbo. Most of our lives are in limbo enough with the state of the economy without this constant worry hanging over us. Don't wait until the end of the school year when the employees are gone to make big changes.

[Donna]

I want to know why they are building new schools like the one on 38th avenue but then closing 6 schools and combining 2 middle schools?

[TEY]

I have read a lot of good comments here. However, to be specific in regard to the FCAT...Florida is not the only school that has a state required assessment for graduation. However, the other schools do not have half as much jargon and such that gets printed and recycled each year. Teachers may struggle to teach as the motivation to do so begins to dwindle with the lack of funds for what we do and are expected to do for little money! So in short...Julie Jansen surely took the teachers support when her appointment was in jeopardy...now, it seems as if she has quickly forgotten where she came from. If the Administration building continue to be ignored, teachers are doomed! AS it stands, Julie is ignoring not only our contract but the mediator... what would happen to us if we refused to follow a court order?

[Sam]

The superintendent and her lackeys are taking the easy way out by cutting employee salaries to save. All that does is destroy morale and take incentive away from educators. Then the educators move to a location that will pay them for what they do. The solutions are not easy. The state needs to help. Most businesses will not locate in an area where the educational system is substandard. If the state wants businesses to locate here then they need to support the education system with real dollars.
Back when the times were good we seemed to be able to spend all our budget with no regard for saving for the bad times. Investigate those that were not thrifty and get some of the money back. Clyton Wilcox sold us down the road to get a good job.